Defence of the Realm

[kirennia]

Okay so here is what happens. RvRers decide to go and retake keeps in Albion. As soon as they are all taken, if we get access to DF, all of a sudden avalon city empties and they all head off to DF as well as a few seal hunters from emain, all in all about 200 people but mostly made up of non-level 50 RvRers.

After this, we then claim and have to upgrade the doors/keep which will cost money.

So what has actually been acheived here? The lazy people who can't be bothered to get off their own arses to get THEIR bonus (DF) have just been given what they want and yet as RvRers, we've lost money and a lot of time, perhaps 2 or so hours from setting up the keep take force.

And then what do we do? We could sit about in hadrians wall waiting for 2 days for a keep take force to come back again or we could go and carry on as we were, in which case, the mid/hib PvEers come back and retake a keep or 2, looosing our precious doors we've just wasted our money on and we're back to square one.

I'll tell you what, why not go into avalon city and yell at THEM to go retake the keeps because I can assure you it is them who run straight out and off to DF when we waste our time getting it.

If we had the relics, that'd be another question. As for the question why weren't you asked? Well relic raids are not announced over a broad channel. If they were then every single one would be foiled by hib/mid spies. Like it or not, it has ALWAYS happened in the past and likewise I am sure for the other 2 realms. Therefore we have to pm only those we as GMs of the larger guilds know and can trust. If we have never heard of someone, we wont invite them out of security reasons.

On top of that, the last 5 or 6 attempts made...actually...probably double that number or triple it but anyways, the last dozen or 2 relic raids we have done have failed due to server crashes because there were too many people in one area at a time. Unfortunate as it is, pre-50s add to this lag and give no considerable diffference to the force so are most often not taken along (of course we can't stop them if they show up but the server has enough problems as it is).

Hope this helps.

 

[Loxleyhood]

And lo, God created the heavens, the Earth and Hell. In heaven he and all things good resided, on Earth rested man and all things he created, in Hell roamed tormented devils. For beings too evil for hell, God did create the Pennine Mountains.

 

[Powahhh]

Levels 44 to 49 trying to do their epics in the Penines, getting ganked by Mids who own 2 keeps there, and not a single other Alb was sighted on the trip.

And we still complain about people not showing up to defend keeps?

Our small guild would love to be able to retake the keeps ourselves, just need to get fit for the job first.

The point of the post is, not having our own frontiers weakens our realm in many ways.

keep take is useless....if there are 50 mid defending we need a lot of ppls to retake it...do not take as albion do not want to retake keeps...take it as albion don't want to get farmed AND in the keeps

 

[Ging]

75% of the ALb population don't have printed maps and couldn't find thier way to Boldiam if a porn star was waiting there in the four poster bed waiting to give them the time of thier life

lmao - so true

 

[Loxleyhood]

Defence of the Realm - move Snowdonia Fort. garrison to hmg HW, move CS garrison to mmg HW. Such amazing ideas, why am I not King?

 

[Iceflower]

>A lot of Albs do not care much for DF, not close to how obsessed Midgard is with it

Glottis, there is a very simple answer to that. There is no dungeon in Midgård that is even close in comparison to DF from a gold farming perspective, no matter what level you are or if you solo or hunt in a group. When it comes to the SI dungeons neither Trollheim nor Iarnvidurs Lair is as easy to farm in or as easy to fight and Midgård dont have anything like Avalon City. The classic dungeons are not even in the same ballpark, but that I think we can safely assume goes for all realms.

Except for the lost honour the isnt any real reason to fight for empty keeps. Doing your epics in the frontiers is major pain when it is full of enemy keep patrols though.

Sundry comments:

>having gone through an enitre 99% jamabya's durability

You mean you dont keep another weapon in your backpack for those moments?

>If you are going to rp, then you should note that the lore tells us that this is a war - so naturally from an alb point of view it's *all* alb territory; albs in emain are defending alb territory just as much as those in Hadrian's wall. Because it's *all* alb territory.

Um not really, it is only your territory if you control it and that the game dont allow us to do that, except for controling the keeps. Emain is the place all go to since it is much faster to travel to without any aggro mobs on the way and basically is an easier area for all parties. Sarcasm travels very badly over the internet

>We tried, we repeatedly crashed the server... now we bide our time and let our enemy develop a false sense of security. Standard military tactics...

Rather funny actually.

What will be next? A recreation of the Charge of the Light Brigade? Or more "standard military tactics" with a heritage from the First World War?

 

[Parlain]

>having gone through an enitre 99% jamabya's durability

You mean you dont keep another weapon in your backpack for those moments?

That IS my keep take sword so I don't wear out my MP jamb and Sabre

2nd one is still at 80 odd dur tho

Altho come to think of it I did manage to get some extra dur on my MP sabre recently coughalithcough

 

[Asha]

75% of the ALb population don't have printed maps and couldn't find thier way to Boldiam if a porn star was waiting there in the four poster bed waiting to give them the time of thier life

has ali been roleplaying in Bold again?

 

[Kagato]

Theres no point trying to take keeps back and often not enough time to defend them anyway when we have no relics to worry about.

If you hadn't noticed already its usually just a rp farm session by hibs, why give away free rps getting pbaoe'd to hell and back only to die in the lords room anyway just to benefit the enemy? Let them rot inside the keeps I say, its not like they can login now to defend if we do attack them once they have gone away through boredom. I've been up till 3 am before organising keep retakes, and its all wasted time, and thats with no relics to defend.

We'd be better of getting bounty points back up to spend on upgraded level 10 keeps to defend once we have the relics back.

 

[Parlain]

has ali been roleplaying in Bold again?

yeah Alith and Ofelya have been doing stlong roleplay recently

 

[Alithiel]

yeah Alith and Ofelya have been doing stlong roleplay recently

Who? Moi?

And it was Sursbrooke, not Boldiam... need to relax and unwind after bashing on keep doors!

We also took Benowyc the other day... but no effort was involved in getting through the doors. The Mids who we caught trying to take it from the Hibs who owned it at the time were kind enough to have got the inner door down to 1% just as we arrived...

 

[Chiefthunder]

Second point....

If you are going to rp, then you should note that the lore tells us that this is a war - so naturally from an alb point of view it's *all* alb territory; albs in emain are defending alb territory just as much as those in Hadrian's wall. Because it's *all* alb territory.

Even Tir-na-fricking-nog.

lol would like to see you standing with any alb zerg at tir na nog lady we would kick your ass so hard you fly straight through castle sauvage and end up at cottswold bindstone wondering what hit ya...unlike albs we do care for our keeps and we don't have to spend 10 minutes on a port pad to get that through your thick skull of yours.Its just a 5 minute run for us to come spank ya

 

[Boobz]

This game would rock if all 3 frontiers were joined together instead of seperate areas. Then at any one time the zerg could switch between defending and attacking. Just dreaming though
Would be kinda hectic.

 

[Kagato]

This game would rock if all 3 frontiers were joined together instead of seperate areas. Then at any one time the zerg could switch between defending and attacking. Just dreaming though
Would be kinda hectic.

Read the RvR Expansion notes mate.

 

[Boobz]

Read the RvR Expansion notes mate.

Each realms frontier zone will be seperated by an Ocean....may as well be a portal unless they are going to give us submarines and battleships. What i mean is simply one LAND MASS, with no boundaries (i.e vast quantities of water).
I guess it could be cool, but it still means people have to make the effort to get on a boat...just like they do now with portals. What i wanted to see was maybe all 3 joined together, but maybe the overall size reduced a little. Stray an inch to the left when you are out there and you are in Hibernia, or Midgard.
Just depends how large a body of water seperates these lands.

Something to look forward to for sure!

 

[Herbal]

Once I've upgraded my laggy Athlon 1gig, 256mb ram, GeForce 2 comp I may well do just that.

lead rrs with 500 people on a p3 667 mhz 380 mb sd ram and a tnt2 64 mb gfx card

 

[Rulke]

lead rrs with 500 people on a p3 667 mhz 380 mb sd ram and a tnt2 64 mb gfx card

Simple! Leave atk, go LD and everyone follows your lag ghost all the way to mjollnir

 

[Khalen]

You'll find out that the people who actually did some shit for the realm get bitched at and thrown away like rag dolls. So most of the ones who did try stuff gave up because the majority doesn't care. And then at some point you don't care yourself anymore and only come if it suits you or you gain something from it. The fact most don't care now is we ain't got any relics and DF, well DF is for the wankers who need to get money and most of the hardly RvR.

 

[Z^^]

Levels 44 to 49 trying to do their epics in the Penines, getting ganked by Mids who own 2 keeps there, and not a single other Alb was sighted on the trip.

And we still complain about people not showing up to defend keeps?

Our small guild would love to be able to retake the keeps ourselves, just need to get fit for the job first.

The point of the post is, not having our own frontiers weakens our realm in many ways.

fyi epic quest are nothing more then quest for the 1p, and anyone doing quest for armor is a fool and noob

 

[Asha]

fyi epic quest are nothing more then quest for the 1p, and anyone doing quest for armor is a fool and noob

epic makes a good suit for doing pve tho, dragon raids, sidi raids, etc...
alot better than wasting a sc suit for those things. not so foolish or noob

 

[Kelio]

Hmm hibs have had pow relics for ages now, i guess its safe to say that their primary defence on their relic keeps are lower now than before, If albs where to storm their relics mids would start go to alb frontier and gank hibbies trying to get pow relics back (=free rps) we saw hibs doing the same when albs where in mid, while mid and hibs fight in our frontier we storm mid relic keeps, BANG albs have all 6 relics, no more complains about that, and that will also get albs from emain for a while cause now all rvr will be in our frontiers, problem solved

PS, i dont have access to our alliance forum so i cant set this up, but some strong leader out there might.DS

 

[Z^^]

problem with this is that ppl in the first place shouldn't know about that there are 200 albs taking mid or hib keeps, or any other way around but sence there is a tool that everyone uses(irc fyi), and ppl get upset when they are outnumbered and might not always realize its a relic raid force and just spam it out on irc chans without any thoughts..

 

[Iceflower]

>fyi epic quest are nothing more then quest for the 1p, and anyone doing quest for armor is a fool and noob

Well, they are also worth approximately 2,3 bubs of xp at level 49 and subsequenly less time you need to spend in AC killing the same mob over and over. And some quests got nice stories that make up for part of all the traveling time

And the 1P is useful when you have to farm the gold for a decent rvr set up to. Not picking up that free money is stupid.

 

[Gorre]

fyi epic quest are nothing more then quest for the 1p, and anyone doing quest for armor is a fool and noob

such stlong roleplaying :/

 

[Belomar]

You may go blue in the face complaining about Albs not defending their frontier, but after the last cowardly Midgard relic raid, I have zero (0) interest in patrolling our own frontier except for enemies (not our own keeps). (This is my own view, not my guild's, btw.)

 

[Belomar]

Each realms frontier zone will be seperated by an Ocean....may as well be a portal unless they are going to give us submarines and battleships.

We do get boats. Your point?

 

[Iceflower]

>but after the last cowardly Midgard relic raid

Where is the cowardly act? They adapted to a crappy server and made sure their raid was a success instead of a "lets see who long it will take before the server crashes" raid. Besides how can someone be cowardly in a game where your actions have no repercussions on yourself...? Hiding your own want to stay in bed in the mornings behind some moral justification is funny though

 

[Gordonax]

>but after the last cowardly Midgard relic raid

Where is the cowardly act? They adapted to a crappy server and made sure their raid was a success instead of a "lets see who long it will take before the server crashes" raid. Besides how can someone be cowardly in a game where your actions have no repercussions on yourself...? Hiding your own want to stay in bed in the mornings behind some moral justification is funny though

The point is that there's no point in defending keeps, let alone relics, when you know that some bunch of hairy-arsed troll students/wasters will have set their alarm clocks for 4am and robbed them back the next day.

 

[Belomar]

Where is the cowardly act? They adapted to a crappy server and made sure their raid was a success instead of a "lets see who long it will take before the server crashes" raid.

Sure, you may weave new a story if you like, but the fact is that prior to the nightly Albion ze-- attacks on Midgard following the, yes, cowardly Midgard alarm clock raid, the servers had been performing perfectly and not crashed at all due to relic raids or the like. The truth is that Mids suffer physical ailment IRL without strength relics and so had to resort to underhanded tictacs to retrieve them.