Misc Deaths 2018

[Scouse]

So ..were actually trying to hide it now are we.

I don't understand anything about that sentence because you refuse to conform to the essential grammatical norms required for two human beings to understand each other.

That isn't trolling. It is a statement of fact.

 

[Gwadien]

So ..were actually trying to hide it now are we.

What Scouse said, stop using words that other people have said, when you don't even know the definition.

 

[Job]

Il suggesting you are trying to split liberalism into various areas..its an old tactic, no mate you got the wrong type you idiot..try third on the left down the hall...neoliberalism..next to maxoliberalism...this is new age liberalism

 

[Gwadien]

Il suggesting you are trying to split liberalism into various areas..its an old tactic, no mate you got the wrong type you idiot..try third on the left down the hall...neoliberalism..next to maxoliberalism...this is new age liberalism

No, but you never actually define what Liberalism is, because this is the definition that I'd follow; Liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognise that government itself can pose a threat to liberty.

From what I understand Liberalism to you is a scapegoat for everything, any time there's something you disagree with, you dub it as 'liberalism'. As Donald Trump and Britain First do.

Hard-line Victorian politics caused the rise of the Fascists, not weak 'Liberalism'. In fact, funnily, I'd say that Donald Trump pulling out of Syria and Afghanistan is probably on a par with Chamberlain's appeasement policies, you preach that we need a hard line, but the politicians that you support do the opposite.

 

[Job]

The problem with liberalism..I'll accept the broad description you posted, is that few believe in it and think everyone does..no most just say they do and grin and bear it.
The masses sit there with conservative views that are pushed by the media and politicians as dangerous and idiotic, uncaring, while a progressive is the road to enlightenment.

No it isn't, it's the road to hell and every single time the Mail publishes a story of the latest gender rules, being by far the most read media outlet...a whole nation seethes inside.

You may well disagree, but I find it hard to believe you are so entrenched in being right on that you are incapable of accepting that is what is happening.

The right feeds off that anger, and how bad has it got, that the most dangerous types of right wing rhetoric is spreading across Europe, it's not because small bands of looney Nazi supporters have suddenly massively improved their marketing tactics, it's because the liberals have wound up the masses.

 

[Gwadien]

The problem with liberalism..I'll accept the broad description you posted, is that few believe in it and think everyone does..no most just say they do and grin and bear it.
The masses sit there with conservative views that are pushed by the media and politicians as dangerous and idiotic, uncaring, while a progressive is the road to enlightenment.

No it isn't, it's the road to hell and every single time the Mail publishes a story of the latest gender rules, being by far the most read media outlet...a whole nation seethes inside.

You may well disagree, but I find it hard to believe you are so entrenched in being right on that you are incapable of accepting that is what is happening.

The right feeds off that anger, and how bad has it got, that the most dangerous types of right wing rhetoric is spreading across Europe, it's not because small bands of looney Nazi supporters have suddenly massively improved their marketing tactics, it's because the liberals have wound up the masses.

What are you talking about? The Mail IS the right, so therefore it's the right drumming up right support, no?

 

[Job]

The Mail doesnt know what it us at the moment..but of course..youre arguing at the wrong point.

 

[Gwadien]

The Mail doesnt know what it us at the moment..but of course..youre arguing at the wrong point.

Okay.

So what you're saying is that the Mail presents facts and then when the non-right wingers (IE the Liberals) say 'Actually, that information that you have presented is factually incorrect.' THAT'S the Liberal Elite putting down the Right, and making them angry?

So what do we do if the information provided is incorrect, or is presented in a misleading way?

Such as the 'Muhammed' being the most popular boys name, when the facts are presented, it makes complete sense and it doesn't show that Muslims are dominant in the UK.

Here's my take on your obsession with Liberals; People like Donald Trump want to gain power, he does that by the easiest way possible; causing division and conflict. Which means that he's managed to harness a group of beliefs which were quite small, and managed to ramp it up by presenting incorrect information to his support group. When 'everyone else' (not the Liberal Elite, but lots of people from all sorts of different walks of life) say 'That information isn't actually correct' he screams it's the Liberal Elite - even though it rarely is anyone who could be considered a member of the 'Liberal Elite'.

Stuff like immigration; people want it for different reasons, I don't mind immigration because I understand and accept that under globalisation cultures are going to mix and mash anyway, so there's no point trying to stop it, and besides I live in a multi cultural city, and the results of it are pretty cool.

However, the Government likes it because we need immigration in the UK in order to continue to supply our economy, as pretty much every 'first world' country is saying that they need more working class people in their countries, white people aren't going to do these jobs, so we need non-white people in order to do it.

Really, your anger should be towards Capitalism, as it's more tangible, not the vague Liberal Elite.

 

[Scouse]

He's not worth debating with. His views are reactionary and utterly incoherent.

 

[Job]

You started by saying everything in the mail is a lie and thats the reason for the rise of the right wing.

The entire gender/ trans issue is entirely invented by the mail.

 

[Gwadien]

You started by saying everything in the mail is a lie and thats the reason for the rise of the right wing.

The entire gender/ trans issue is entirely invented by the mail.

Okay.

First of all, as someone who talks about freedoms alot I find it interesting that you want the state to tell people what they can and can't be, my view of the 'issue' (lol) is always the same for anything in this ball park - you can do what the fuck you like and I'll support you, so long as it doesn't hurt others.

As for the radical shit - let's stop calling apples apples because it's sexist. I've shown multiple times that whenever these stories are released they quote a random Facebook group with like 20 likes and pretend it's representative of the LGBQT community. So yes, the media does invent stuff to create conflict - social media based shit is the worst for it - ladbible for instance.

 

[Job]

Yes they do.
But take my wifes school for instance.
Its a girls school..so anyone who doesnt identify as female is now allowed to use the male teacher toilets.
Consequently the male teachers have been banned from their toilets because of not to be mentioned..but obvious..little creepy..why would it be a problem..reasons.
The male teachers now have to nip across the fairway to the golfclub until they build a new block which is going to be genderless toilet.
For the kids only.
There are three girls who identify as boys and they literally change their minds every few weeks.
That isnt the problem..its the fact thatcthe entire thing is not only forced as solution..but as an ideology we should all automatic adhere to or risk losing our jobs.
Thats liberalism at its worse..its gone fucking mad and people have had enough...its that bad that the liberal parties are dead....socialist parties are in freefall..and in the UK an utterly despised parhetic old woman is way ahead in the polls while putting the UK through a public embarrasment of ineptitude.

Thats how bad liberalism is.

 

[Gwadien]

Yes they do.
But take my wifes school for instance.
Its a girls school..so anyone who doesnt identify as female is now allowed to use the male teacher toilets.
Consequently the male teachers have been banned from their toilets because of not to be mentioned..but obvious..little creepy..why would it be a problem..reasons.
The male teachers now have to nip across the fairway to the golfclub until they build a new block which is going to be genderless toilet.
For the kids only.
There are three girls who identify as boys and they literally change their minds every few weeks.
That isnt the problem..its the fact thatcthe entire thing is not only forced as solution..but as an ideology we should all automatic adhere to or risk losing our jobs.
Thats liberalism at its worse..its gone fucking mad and people have had enough...its that bad that the liberal parties are dead....socialist parties are in freefall..and in the UK an utterly despised parhetic old woman is way ahead in the polls while putting the UK through a public embarrasment of ineptitude.

Thats how bad liberalism is.

So what would be your response to the 'gender' issue?

Tell people that they're wrong and force them not to pursue what they desire? Prison sentences if they 'come out'?

For the record, I think you're very much in a minority, I was in a very busy football pub on Saturday and there was a trans woman behind the bar, and it was full of laddish football fans who didn't appear to have a problem with her, I just think it's people that read reactionary headlines designed as click bait and to divide.

Edit - Oh, and your example seems to be an issue of a selective school, much like there's issues with every other type of selective schools.

Edit x2 - Genderless toilets have been a thing for a very long time, and they make complete sense - it reduces bullying, skipping lessons and is price efficient (very important under our socialist Government) - the sink area is open with cubicles. I worked at a Catholic school that had genderless toilets, but being a Catholic school they still decided to have separate boys and girls toilets even though there is literally 0 point.

 

[Job]

A bunch of lads didnt seem to have a problem with her.
Thats sums my point up entirely.

 

[Gwadien]

A bunch of lads didnt seem to have a problem with her.
Thats sums my point up entirely.

What is your point?

Can you also answer my question; how would you suppress people?

 

[Job]

Firstly its the liberals are doing the supressing and that examplex was totally out of context of the masses concerns with the thought police.
But unfortunately bang on for idiotic, simplistic liberal conclusions.

One by one we are replacing progressive liberal politicians around the world...simply because people finally realised what utter, fucking dangerous shite they talk.

 

[Gwadien]

Firstly its the liberals are doing the supressing and that examplex was totally out of context of the masses concerns with the thought police.
But unfortunately bang on for idiotic, simplistic liberal conclusions.

One by one we are replacing progressive liberal politicians around the world...simply because people finally realised what utter, fucking dangerous shite they talk.

No, you're saying that being Trans/Gay is wrong (Trans from this thread, Gay from your past posting) meaning that you wouldn't want it in society, so answer my question, how would you stop people being gay/Trans?

I find it interesting that you call allowing someone to go to another toilet as 'dangerous'.

 

[Job]

I never ever said that..you are just doing the usual tiresome association to bigotry to try and win an argument.

I fully support people who believe they are mentally a gender their bodies are not and trans and gay are perfectly normal aspects of the human condition.
I absolutley reject that people should be forced by threat to agree with that.
It takes time to change cultural acceptance...progressives want it now and want hell and damnation for anyone who dares to speak out at any point.
Well all theyre going to do is fuck it up...because they are short sighted, bigotted, uneducated idiots.

 

[Gwadien]

I never ever said that..you are just doing the usual tiresome association to bigotry to try and win an argument.

I fully support people who believe they are mentally a gender their bodies are not and trans and gay are perfectly normal aspects of the human condition.
I absolutley reject that people should be forced by threat to agree with that.
It takes time to change cultural acceptance...progressives want it now and want hell and damnation for anyone who dares to speak out at any point.
Well all theyre going to do is fuck it up...because they are short sighted, bigotted, uneducated idiots.

Forced by threat?

I'm seriously trying to understand your position.

Where are you forced by threat to agree with that? Everyone has their own opinion and everyone is entitled to it. Should you be able to discriminate then? (I think this might be the best term to describe what you want, rather than persecution)

 

[Wij]

Maybe the Xmas booze is getting to me but I have a touch of sympathy for Job’s view here.

There’s a part of the trans activist movement that is extremely intolerent at the moment and if you don’t agree with their every position then calls you evil and doxes you and hounds you offline.

The things you have to agree with are a lot more extreme than just ‘being trans is ok.’

You also have to believe that men can pop on a dress and compete in any woman’s sport. That men can pop on a dress and then go to women’s prisons or refuges and that no predatory man will EVER take advantage of this.

You also have to believe that lesbians who don’t like cock are vile trans-phobes and deserve hatred.

Their idea of gender is akin to a soul. Utterly unprovable but totally beyond reasonable discussion. That would be hatred.

Many trans people think this is all very wrong and then they get labelled as trans-phobes.

So yes. Some trans ideology has gone a bit wrong. Not all but some.

 

[Gwadien]

You also have to believe that men can pop on a dress and compete in any woman’s sport. That men can pop on a dress and then go to women’s prisons or refuges and that no predatory man will EVER take advantage of this.

This is the whole problem; unlikely scenarios.

With the example of Job's school, it's not the kid can go to the headteacher and say 'I'm a boy now' and then the school is like OK cool, we accept this decision instantly and any consequences of this action will be irrelevant for the sake of political correctness.

Every now and again there will be some abuse of it somewhere in the world, we know because the Right social media ensures every case is plastered everywhere, because everyone MUST conform to their gender roles, but such cases are not common.

Also, you're talking about the perspective of trans activists, not the 'Liberal Elite'.

 

[Job]

But...
Is this the result of progressive campaigning or general cultural change.
Or simply a result of the 100% question.
1 in 2 young people say they are not 100% heterosexual | YouGov

 

[Wij]

With the example of Job's school, it's not the kid can go to the headteacher and say 'I'm a boy now' and then the school is like OK cool, we accept this decision instantly and any consequences of this action will be irrelevant for the sake of political correctness.

That is EXACTLY what they are asking for.

I get your point about this being trans activists. Not ‘liberals’ in general. That is true. Many feminists think this is bonkers. I’m not sure that the Jobs of the world know or care about the difference though.

 

[Wij]

I think South Park was ahead of the curve on this when they had Mr Garrison telling his boyfriend Mr Slave that they don’t need to be fags anymore, they can have a sex change so that they aren’t gay anymore. Mr Slave thought this was terrible.

 

[Gwadien]

That is EXACTLY what they are asking for.

I get your point about this being trans activists. Not ‘liberals’ in general. That is true. Many feminists think this is bonkers. I’m not sure that the Jobs of the world know or care about the difference though.

Really? Safeguarding is super important in schools, they're actually quite intrusive in home lives if there's any behaviour change.

 

[Gwadien]

But...
Is this the result of progressive campaigning or general cultural change.
Or simply a result of the 100% question.
1 in 2 young people say they are not 100% heterosexual | YouGov

This is fucking stupid man.

People are more accepting of their sexuality, not having to bottle shit away because it's not 'manly'.

I don't think many lads try a bit of cock because it's fashionable, it's more because of gay rights and the freedom of accepting that side of you.

That's why the trans groups talk about being 'gender fluid' - it's not a binary concept, it changes and (I think) hardens as you grow older, I had a friend at school who was bi and now he's openly gay, I wouldn't say he denied being fully gay.

 

[Gwadien]

To be honest, I think your responses are very similar to the response of the Church when religion started to decline.

 

[Job]

Yes.
But progressives go into a code loop when they are confronted with ultra conservative Islam.
They kill gays ..but religious freedom....bzzzzzz

 

[Gwadien]

Yes.
But progressives go into a code loop when they are confronted with ultra conservative Islam.
They kill gays ..but religious freedom....bzzzzzz

No, it's always been a message of acceptance to the people that want to live here peacefully and get on with life - judge people for their individual merit.

Rather than putting all muslims on a watch list.

That's why when things have been found to be fucked up, stuff has been done about it.

 

[Wij]

Really? Safeguarding is super important in schools, they're actually quite intrusive in home lives if there's any behaviour change.

Safeguarding is just hatred disguised according to some.

Gender theory is also totally sexist. Like pink and have feelings? You are a woman then. If you were misgendered at birth on account of the trifling details like having a willy and XY chromosomes then Mermaids thinks you need to go on drugs until you are ready for full castration. After all no one EVER changes their mind. That’s just transphobia.