Dear Deirdre

[Addlcove]

Originally posted by doh_boy
He deleted his account because his custom title was removed? Seems a bit of an over-reaction. Also leggy I'm really quite interesting in real-life, honest!

no he deleted his account because Bigfoot was (in his opinion mind, I like my custom so I ain´t expressing my own) dealing unjustly with him.

 

[old.tRoG]

Originally posted by Addlcove
(in his opinion mind, I like my custom so I ain´t expressing my own)

Says it all, really

 

[Gekul]

I would like to express the opinion that you're all ****s.

It was a rather inappropriate place to air his opinion tbh. It may not have been his intention, but his comment seemed to be pissing on those who had posted previously in that thread.

 

[Krazeh]

Originally posted by bigfoot
I viewed your post to be a mild transgression on this point as it was disrespectful to what other people had posted in the thread, others viewed it more strongly and sort me out on IRC to complain about what you had done or replied to your post saying so, and therefore I took mild action in removing a custom title - had it been a more serious issue then you would have had your post edited, removed or even your account banned and you would have been contacted to explain why.

Surely just editing / removing the post would've been a even milder option? It should be more serious issues that lead to removal of things like custom titles and the like.

 

[Tom]

SoWat was a second account for mank!


He'll be back.

 

[mr.Blacky]

Don't get me wrong but since when are titles a right? Caus if they are a right where is mine
As for SoWat posts: considering what was posted in that thread I think it was not done, nobody goes to an AA meating and advertise beer? do they?

 

[leggy]

You're pretty far from dull yoni. I was mainly referring to the moans in this thread.

Plus I was pissed and it was like 5 in the morning.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

"Our forums cover various different aspects of gaming and gaming-lifestyle related topics, because of this they attract a variety of different people of different ages and from different social backgrounds. It's therefore expected that there will be different attitudes or personalities on the forums and it's okay to be your own person, as long as you act with respect towards other forum users."

Ok - where was the disrespect in his posts?? Yus, too bad they got deleted.

I think you should have your title removed, Bigfoot.........

 

[Durzel]

You're all bastards.

Hows that for disrespect!

 

[maxi--]

the problem stems from the forum (and a majority of its posters) being unable to accept criticism, especially if you include the word 'fucking' in the post. Then you're an outright subversive anarchist, or troll.

There is a set format and pattern to a lot of threads on this board, its sad really ,because most of you don't even see it, If you did, I'd assume you'd have stopped now.

Someone posts something that is against the flow

someone gets offended, replies with something along the lines of "we don't like your kind 'ere m8y"

someones mate decides to do a similar thing

the token 'oh so above it all clever guy' posts something aloof, and noncommittal (he's well proud of this one liner, cos noone else will get it. He's angry, but hasn't the knowledge/desire to argue)

It's exactly the same people, tragic.

Just because something offends you, does not automatically make it a bad thing to hear or read, infact, a lot of uneasy reading often holds a great deal of truth. Not all of it, admitedly, but thats where posters reactionary behaviour seems to take over, the point is disregarded, even ignored. There's a difference between saying 'you're all thick ****s' (which I have said before) and 'this is the way i see it and heres why...'

The board also encourages mobbing of people who don't think the same, christ, how are you ever going to learn anything unless you're willing to take in new ideas, even if they aren't comfortable.

I don't really believe that many people on earth are as open minded as they'd like to make out, I don't actually think that many people really understand what open mindedness is.


This board is, in my opinion, poorly moderated...free thought is certainly not encouraged, and you DEFINATELY have to be of a very similar mindset to fit, either that, or keep your mouth shut.

If you don't keep your mouth shut, you end up having to explain everything to someone, who's never ever going to budge, unless you water down your opinions so much, that the real issue is thrown out, only to focus on what you agree on.

Whats the point in that?

 

[bigfoot]

That is utter rubbish Maxi. Debate and alternative view points are welcome on these forums and compared to the number of posts in the general forum our intervention is very low indeed.

What I will not tolerate is forum users who set out to insult or upset other forum users, or intentionally disrupt people's enjoyment of these forums. This is why we had to introduce guidelines about posting because people such as yourself thought it was good debating technique to call other people retards or tell them to COADOA. I realise this probably infringes on how you express yourself but I'm afraid such posts have no place on these forums and where such behaviour is seen or reported to me I take action.

SoWat's post was at best misguided, even if he didn't mean to cause anyone distress it certainly looked to myself and a number of other forum users like he was taking the piss out of what had been posted before and those people who had decided to share a little personal information with the rest of us. Because of that I decided to remove his custom title and ask him to post his views on the forum elsewhere rather than in that thread.

His response, to delete his account, really is an total over reaction in anyones book. Perhaps he realised that he made an error, or was doing it out of protest. Either way I think he probably does accept he was in the wrong as some of his posts in this thread suggest.

With regards to moderation of this forum there is always the impression that we are heavy handed, mainly because the slightest thing we do gets blown up into being a national crisis. Here is a list of the banning / suspensions of General posters I've done in the last three months, hopefully it puts things into context:

7th November - Mr^B - Suspended due to making posts of a graphic sexual nature in a Michael Jackson thread. He has chosen not to come back.
23rd October - Lester - Suspended due to hosting a picture of a graphic sexual nature on his GAME.NET webspace & linked in his signature. Is now back and active.
9th October - TdC - Suspended due to linking to a picture that was graphically sexual in nature in his signature. Came back after a couple of days.
29th September - evilmonkeh - Suspended due to coming on forums drunk, insulting various people and also talking about warez. Active again.
29th September - krypt - Banned for good following breaking of original DAoC imposed ban.

I believe I might also have banned leggy once during the last three months due to posting something that was sexual in nature, it may have been in the Michael Jackson thread or elsewhere, I really cannot remember. I had banned him in August due to posting a picture of a Vibrator and o-rings.

I stand by all the above bans and don't think a single one of them was out of order given the nature of the posts in question.

There were other minor incidents where posts had to be edited, people pm'd to warn them about their post content / conduct, custom titles sometimes removed, but as best I can tell these are the only cases where I had to suspend an account involving a General forum poster since the Code of Conduct was introduced.

 

[Embattle]

Oh how I laughed and laughed at maxi-- reply.

 

[Neural Network]

Originally posted by Embattle
Oh how I laughed and laughed at maxi-- reply.

Doesn't that only prove his point?

 

[leggy]

Originally posted by bigfoot

I believe I might also have banned leggy once during the last three months due to posting something that was sexual in nature, it may have been in the Michael Jackson thread or elsewhere, I really cannot remember. I had banned him in August due to posting a picture of a Vibrator and o-rings.

I would have been upset if you had missed me out here

You banned me for linking leggy . com which had sexual popups. I use firebird and therefor do not get popups so I thought it was safe to post. I'm not disputing the ban I'm just glad I never got missed out of the list

 

[throdgrain]

Ok , some observances
Maxi, the main difference between your posts and a lot of others is most other people at least respect others opinions and put theirs in a polite form. You dont, you say things to the effect of "this is shit, and you must be a moron to think it". Even if you dont actually mean that, its what the vast majority of you posts imply. Please dont return an enomous response straight away, that wasn't a suggestion so much as a statement of fact as far as the vast majority of people here are concerned.
Bigfoot / Sowat thing. In my honest opinion I really think you can get away with removing someones custom title once or twice as a mild rebuke, after that it must be seen as a public slap, as it were.
To someone like Sowat, who was never abusive or rude to others I find that a bit excessive. Surely a friendly pm would have been more in order. Personnally I thought that thread was a bit sickly too, but Ive been here a long time now and can (finnally) realise that if thats what they want to post its up to them.
Sowat, if you're reading this, you over-reacted by deleting your account to I think. But then its bigfoots right to remove your title, and your right to delete your account if you wish.
But me, I think you should all chill out a bit and sort it out.
Sowat, we want you vback here please

 

[xane]

These forums are privately owned, the actions of banning or deleting posts are entirely at the descretion of the owner, or representatives of such.

Speculation over the reasoning behind bans is futile, the owner can ban someone because they used the letter "x" too many times, that's the privilege you get from owning and paying for a website. If the forum owners are swayed by "popular" opinion, or even the opinion of a resprected few, that isn't "wrong", its entirely the prerogative of the owner.

You can moan and whine as much as you like, and come up with as many silly excuses and accusations, but the owners of this forum have always reserved to right to ban for whatever reason they see fit, trying to put some moralist or justification to it is not an option, it simply does not apply.

I believe I tried to argue this point before, but I suspect people wont "get it" again.

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by Neural Network
Doesn't that only prove his point?

No, read throdgrain post to understand

 

[Louster]

Right, except throdgrain's post was explanatory and basically polite, and yours was arrogant, stupid and inflammatory. Hooray! And this is a combination of both, I think.

 

[Embattle]

SoWat had a point with his post, but there is a time and a place for it and that topic certainly wasn't it.

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by Louster
Right, except throdgrain's post was explanatory and basically polite, and yours was arrogant, stupid and inflammatory. Hooray! And this is a combination of both, I think.

If you had more than one brain cell you would of realised I didn't need to explain it, or if you came here for anything apart from your little digs at me....you can crawl back under that rock again now Louster

 

[Louster]

Haha, by the way Embattle, that's "would have".

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by Louster
Haha, by the way Embattle, that's "would have".

The result of a small mind, checking grammar on a forum...yawn :sleeping:

 

[Louster]

Oh boy oh boy oh boy! You've got me, Embattle! Yes! I had to look that up because it is NOT a mistake that you make all the time which makes you sound like a complete fool! Yes sir! And I'm not baiting you here at all, nope.

Let me put it this way. Let me sum it up.
My statement was this: "yours [post] was arrogant, stupid and inflammatory." The main problem with this is, were it not true, it could indeed be offensive.
Your response was this: "If you had more than one brain cell [...] or if you came here for anything apart from your little digs at me....you can crawl back under that rock again now". The main problem with THIS, is it WOULD be offensive if it wasn't so funny.
My response was a bait because of my incredulity at such a ridiculous response, which basically affirmed a lot of the stuff in maxi--'s post.

 

[Neural Network]

Ah, yes.
After reading up on maxi--'s former posting history I can now understand why you found his here post "laughable". I do too.
But if you look at his post as a single statement you would see how this fits perfectly into his claim and your laughter would look more arrogant than justified:

Originally posted by maxi--
Someone posts something that is against the flow <- maxi--

someone gets offended, replies with something along the lines of "we don't like your kind 'ere m8y" <- bigfoot, although I agree

someones mate decides to do a similar thing <-missing yet

the token 'oh so above it all clever guy' posts something aloof, and noncommittal (he's well proud of this one liner, cos noone else will get it. He's angry, but hasn't the knowledge/desire to argue) <-Embattle

 

[Embattle]

Wow took you a long time to reply Lou...no doubt the result of looking for a dictionary, did you enjoy the bait....come her rockfishy.

 

[throdgrain]

Careful you lot !

I can feel another badger picture coming along ...

 

[leggy]

Originally posted by xane
These forums are privately owned, the actions of banning or deleting posts are entirely at the descretion of the owner, or representatives of such.

Are we back to this argument again?

"I own this shop and I don't like your face so I ain't selling you no sweeties."

 

[Louster]

Wow took you hardly any time to reply, Emb! No doubt the result of not actually considering anything and just being your usual funny-funny self!

 

[Cdr]

Originally posted by leggy
Are we back to this argument again?

"I own this shop and I don't like your face so I ain't selling you no sweeties."

Can I have some sweets?

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by Louster
Wow took you hardly any time to reply, Emb! No doubt the result of not actually considering anything and just being your usual funny-funny self!

I can ignore most of your posts....you normally only post to have a pathetic dig at me, something I previously stated.