Darkness Rising in PC Zone

[LordjOX]

Tbh, shit like this shouldnt be called an expansion, rather a patch. No extra (big) zones added (like SI,TOA,Catacombs), just some instanced ones linked to the few extra items added.
And we shouldnt really be buying for a minimum amount of content, but oh well. Shit like this passes for free in other online games.

 

[Fana]

but you say that, i've never seen a WoW advert anywhere on TV, Radio or in anything other than a 'puter magazine /shrug

Just generally, unless it's cars, vampires or war it seems that no-one advertises more widely than magazines read by people who already know it's coming...

There were plenty of adverts for WoW when it went live, on TV and in the movie theaters, and in magazines etc. But it would have made it big anyway thanks to Blizzards sterling reputation for never having made a bad game, and the huge playersbase they already had from Warcraft3, Diablo2, Starcraft etc, all those people from battlenet. Then when it got a huge initial success the ball just kept rolling and word of mouth took care of the rest until "ordinary" people started playing. It also suckered people in with its very user friendly interface, shallow learning curve and extreme casuall friendliness until late levels (where it turns into something that makes ToA feel like a pleasent memory).

 

[Rediknight]

really? i'd like to see an advert for WoW - never saw one anywhere in the UK in the cinema or on TV /shrug..

Oh, hang on, it wasn't that "Internet is for Porn" thing was it? heh!

 

[SkarIronfist]

Hell the bbc have given it enough freebies via its website.

 

[Svartmetall]

but you say that, i've never seen a WoW advert anywhere on TV, Radio or in anything other than a 'puter magazine /shrug

Just generally, unless it's cars, vampires or war it seems that no-one advertises more widely than magazines read by people who already know it's coming...

I've seen WOW adverts on TV. I've never seen a DAOC advert, anywhere, ever, not even in the PC gaming press.

 

[semanon]

An additional problem is that GOA don't read forums like this to give them some sort of customer feedback. No feedback -- head stays in the ground believing all is well. Its a real pity, I agree with Svart that DAoC does have a lot going for it but it also needs a lot of fixing (class imbalance through all realms for one). Sit up and Listen GOA and pass your customers views onto Mythic.

 

[IainC]

An additional problem is that GOA don't read forums like this to give them some sort of customer feedback.

When did I stop reading forums like these then?

 

[Svartmetall]

When did I stop reading forums like these then?

15-love

 

[semanon]

When did I stop reading forums like these then?

Mabey I didnt word myslef correctly . I am more concerned with the customer views being returned to Mythic to improve DAoC. I agree you do read these forums but how much actually gets back to the game desginers ot are you a Filter to help keep the bosses happy? May I also add that you are a exellent filter btw (Creep creep)

 

[Miril]

I've seen WOW adverts on TV. I've never seen a DAOC advert, anywhere, ever, not even in the PC gaming press.

Penny-arcade and Gucomics often have daoc adverts. Gucomics even has a seperate sections for special 'advert' comics about Mythic's games.

 

[IainC]

Mabey I didnt word myslef correctly . I am more concerned with the customer views being returned to Mythic to improve DAoC.

That's my job.

The relationship goes something like this:

Customer <--> Me <--> Goa

Just as I pass on information from Goa to you, I also feed back information that Goa need to hear from you and as necessary it gets passed further on to Mythic. I can assure you that the people who need to know at Goa or Mythic are fully aware of what the community concerns are. Where we can act on those concerns we do, where it's not possible, we can't. Any percieved inaction isn't a result of ignorance.

 

[semanon]

That's my job.

The relationship goes something like this:

Customer <--> Me <--> Goa

Just as I pass on information from Goa to you, I also feed back information that Goa need to hear from you and as necessary it gets passed further on to Mythic. I can assure you that the people who need to know at Goa or Mythic are fully aware of what the community concerns are. Where we can act on those concerns we do, where it's not possible, we can't. Any percieved inaction isn't a result of ignorance.

Thanks for putting me right. Following from this i retract my earlier comment. Thanks for the prompt reply.

 

[Muylaetrix]

personally, i think DR is a far better expansion than toa or catacombs.

Toa forced the game into a direction where you had to spend a month or more on a char to keep ti competitive in rvr. The gap between the people with time and the casuals became extreme. totall fuck up towards balance.

Catacombs only made leveling faster and introduced thw worst thought out classes in gthe game, totally destroying balance even further. Unless you play one of the much hated new classes, catacombs offers nothing.

DR, contrary to the previous two expansions offered nothing new that makes me wanne puke... horses are nice, the CL`s are very nice... a much better way to add post level 50 advancement imho that the ml`s were.

Where toa made some chars overpowered (ml 9 pet to name but one) and left others with little new, the CL`s in general improve a char`s survivabily and defensive abilities. more hp, bigger powerpool, buffs, better resists, great.

a casual plaer can finish the cl`s and get a serious boost to his char, a casual player will probaly never get ml10.


when it comes to items, champion weapon, co5 drops, epic suit, DF drops,.. make it rather easy to form a semi competitive template where you only need 1 or 2 artefacts (if at all) to complete a template that has 95+% of the best that a full 250 plat TOA template has to offer for a fraction of the cost and time spend.

DR evened the playing field somewhat, something the two previous expansions failed misearbly at.

if next expansion offers cl6-10, i will be happy.

after the two fuck ups that i consider toa and catacombs, this expansion actually gives me the impression mythic is on the right track.

with DR and patch 1.81 and patch 1.82, mythic is certainly driving the game in the right dir according to me.

 

[Fana]

I agree with Muylaetrix, although i feel Cata was also a nice expansion apart from Warlocks, Bainshees and Vampiirs (and vampiirs i only have problems with on classic).

DR could have been alil cheaper maybe, other than that i like the controled approach of it - less upheaving changes mean less things can get fucked up, and so far ive yet to see any "OMGWTF Horses/CL's are overpowered!!!11" posts so seems it went down well. Id rather take a "yawn" expansion that still does introduce some features people have asked for a long time than a "must have to stay competative" expansion such as ToA etc. In this regard Cata and DR have been excellent.

 

[Efour]

Hell the bbc have given it enough freebies via its website.

damn right the sycophantic approach to WOW by the bbc is just disturbing they seem to release the same bloody story(with a twist) at least once a month saying how great the game is, theres no futher research into other MMOs. Its like WOW is the first and only game of its kind.

 

[scorge]

after playing DR i think its content should have been released in a series of patches, Horses are good, but should be free (all of them), the Champion abilities are weak at best, and do decrease downtime but apart from that not much use unless you are on classic.

Will be interesting to see what expansion they bring out this year, will most likely be a new race for each realm and a new class as well as new items.

While not wanting to shout dooooom out, think daoc might have just another 2 years left before the player base becomes so fragmented that it loses its enjoyment

 

[semanon]

When did I stop reading forums like these then?

Just a thought that hit me a lot later -- why do GoA not have their own official forums like every other MMO out there?

 

[mikke]

hehe. funny said.

I think its sad from mythic's\goa's side that they make a new expantion for every "semi major" changes in the game.. the only good expantion PVE and rvr vise is Trials of Atlantis.

I am the only one of my mates that play daoc, most of them play wow. and i think that the wow-way of doing patches and such is great! instead of releasing a new expansion for a few new weapons\abillities\instances, they should start patching more, and introducing new things to do in the game. instead of just releasing a "major" expantion and using one year++ to fix the mistakes they did, they should work more on the patches.

imo

 

[Tio McShire]

Not a lot of people defending DR here .. makes me think the reviewer was close to the mark, in his own biased style.

Btw .. what shouldn't a reviewer compare rival mmorpgs to wow since it is currently top of the tree so to speak. Graphical tastes aside ... you cant fault the player base it currently boasts.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Just a thought that hit me a lot later -- why do GoA not have their own official forums like every other MMO out there?

because you can't breathe for the 10000 "OMFGS GOA/MYTHIC SUCK!!" threads that people post.

VN once had a "devs round table" where the devs posted back in beta and early in to release.

Within 6 months it was unusable and only occasionally read by their community relations folks. Every thread was a flamefest or a "nerf XYZ because I died to it last night". One post in 100 was constructive, and those that were were generally reposts of the same idea someone else had the week before...

Mythic have an official feedback form for game suggestions, GOA have RightNow (and if you send stuff that needs to go to mythic they pass it on). "official" boards generate a massive amount of noise to signal because people post more crap when they think someone is listening

 

[Flimgoblin]

Not a lot of people defending DR here .. makes me think the reviewer was close to the mark, in his own biased style.

Btw .. what shouldn't a reviewer compare rival mmorpgs to wow since it is currently top of the tree so to speak. Graphical tastes aside ... you cant fault the player base it currently boasts.

No problems comparing with WoW but daoc is a different game and has its strength.

DR isn't a great expansion, it's an OK one imo, but he was reviewing the entire game in the second half of his review.

 

[Tio McShire]

No problems comparing with WoW but daoc is a different game and has its strength.

Agreed .
I have always thought that the way to promote a product is to build on its strengths and gloss over its flaws.
So expansions like DR offer little to the existing player and even less to a new player. Surely enhancing and promoting pvp is the way forward for DAOC in future expansions, not playing catch up in pve with a much newer bunch of games.

 

[Siac]

I agree, playing on the RvR strength DAoC undeniably has over its competitors is the main area that needs looking at.

One thing I personally think has been lost are the Realm goals of RvR.

Essentially, and please correct me if I am missing something, the only things the realm as a whole benefit from are Relics & contol of entry to DF.

Relics are still attractive but involve one raid.
Control of entry to DF is far more volatile but does anyone care any more?

I feel that by making DF as desirable as it once was, excuse the roleplayer in me, people might once again want to fight for the realm and not just the RP's.

 

[Ctuchik]

Just a thought that hit me a lot later -- why do GoA not have their own official forums like every other MMO out there?

GOA had a official forum. but after about a year they gave up on trying to have it flame free and just closed it blaming all the forum trolls.

just look at FH. ppl cant be polite if even their lives were depending on it.

 

[Aadia]

Essentially, and please correct me if I am missing something, the only things the realm as a whole benefit from are Relics & contol of entry to DF.

Relics are still attractive but involve one raid.
Control of entry to DF is far more volatile but does anyone care any more?

I feel that by making DF as desirable as it once was, excuse the roleplayer in me, people might once again want to fight for the realm and not just the RP's.

Hmm DF is something nobody cares anymore apart from people who still go there for the seals and legion etc. Although i must say the DR DF for the 3rd quest is good enough for me where you can at least spend your entire time in without getting sneaked upon by a mid or hib + it's got great cash and fun bosses to kill.

As for relics being a one raid one... hmmm maybe, though it's very hard to actually get through the defences these days. Hence the fact there are hardly any relic raids around or well... let's just not linger down that road

As for people saying advertising. Personally i have never ever seen any adverts at all for any game what so ever anywhere. Though what might sort of do a little trick is, walk into a game store or a pc world or whatever gameshop you go to buy a game. I will see still quite a few boxes of WOW there and others. Yet i have never seen any around for DAoC.
The one i have from 4 years ago i 'got' from my brother so i don't know how many there were at the time. But after that with every other expansion and long afterwards i have never seen one abouts.

 

[Tesla Monkor]

I like DR. It's small yes, and it doesn't even feel like a real expansion - more like a large patch, but still it adds to the game.

As for the Champion Level abilities not affecting RVR overly - that was done on purpose. After the whinefest of TOA, I guess Mythic is very careful with adding things to RVR. Additionally, 'not changing RVR in any drastic way' was a result of one of the questions preceding the development of DR.

All in all it's a nice expansion, though perhaps a bit on the expensive side for 20 Euro.

 

[semanon]

because you can't breathe for the 10000 "OMFGS GOA/MYTHIC SUCK!!" threads that people post.

VN once had a "devs round table" where the devs posted back in beta and early in to release.

Within 6 months it was unusable and only occasionally read by their community relations folks. Every thread was a flamefest or a "nerf XYZ because I died to it last night". One post in 100 was constructive, and those that were were generally reposts of the same idea someone else had the week before...

Mythic have an official feedback form for game suggestions, GOA have RightNow (and if you send stuff that needs to go to mythic they pass it on). "official" boards generate a massive amount of noise to signal because people post more crap when they think someone is listening

I still don't understand why all the other MMOs can deal with any comments on an official forum but GOA can't. Does that say more about the type of person playing DAOC or more about the game?

 

[Pirkel]

just look at FH. ppl cant be polite if even their lives were depending on it.

Repped and sigged

 

[Gordonax]

that guy is just after some easy mode hit maximum level in 2 days play time ftw...

I hate to break this to you... but when you review games, they let you have high level characters from day one, to test the high-end game

 

[Gordonax]

sounds like a biased wow player doing the reviews

"omgz daoc expansion released, better slate daoc or it might make people realise how wank wow is!"

Oi!

You'd *love* high-leve WoW, given your love of PvE

Come to the dark sideee... luke.....