DAoC, Mythic, Games and fat programmers

[Brilliance]

Don't know how to develop my thought exactly but I will give it a go :x

I will start with a good example of games and development.
Warcraft3 , released by Blizzard Entertainment.
A game played massively online, bringing players to fight each other in strategical combat(oO).
Blizzard constantly updates the game, renewing it to maintain interest, while at the same time tries to measure and keep the balance between four races that fight eachother. Blizzard programmers and game editors actually play the game and have gamers hired as beta testers, not only to report bugs, but to inform them of game balance as well. Excellent work, and free service.

Now, Dark Age of Camelot. The only game with In-Depth PvP that actually has a point compared to other MMORPG's.
I'm sorry, but I need to be raw and harsh, the clumsyness and crapyness of Mythic cannot be put into words.
Most of us are aware of it, but PROFIT is Mythic primary concern. Using PROFIT as a primary goal, they patch up the game and make it worse and worse.
ToA
A terrible expansion, introducing ridiculous amounts of boring and pointless PvE.
New "Cool" abilities that I'm 100% sure that were never actually tested in PvP action. Just introduced to make the players desire something "more" of the game. Bullshit abilities that ruined the "RPG" touch the game used to have. Just the concept of Atlantis in Camelot is just... a fat, slimy programmer's idea who neither really played the game nor understood it ever.
ToA didn't really make casters gods, cause by accident Banelords ML'd tanks could make their life harder. Just a coincidence IMO.
Still Bodyguard and Grapple bots litterally annihilate the philosophy of rolling a melee class. Some "gamers" are grapple and bg bots wannabes BG'ing casters and grappling any melee dmg dealer near them. Not their fault imo. What more for a warden to do for example?

My merc friend pays 13E/month to play his merc. Got artis, got scrolls, xp'ed his ass out to make his merc uber. Five minutes ago I watched him RvR . Four minutes fight. My friend landed 3 styles and stood still grappled the rest of the time spamming /dance. Must someone be a genius to give grapple a higher recast timer or maybe.... dunno... immunity??? I guess so, cause Mythic's delelopers don't really give a shit.

NF is gonna lauch ranged classes to the best of it. Casters and bow users will have REAL fun in "Epic, Heroic Sieges n Battles of Huge skill"..... MY ASS(bold bolt iwin).

The concept of melee classes should be rly reconsidered. Nowadays they are v happy to stare the caster in the eyes being grappled funfunfunfun meights.

Daoc 1.62 actually had a point. There was teamwork. A good player made a difference. The combat depth of daoc had a point. Resist's, styles, growth rates, piercing, positioning.

Now at 1.69, a good savant ML11 warden can bg and grapple my merc friend during the whole fight breaking his ballz. Piece of shit imo(I would break the fucking keyboard). Just do your funnay interesting exciting MASTER LEVELS m8eys to get out there and realise u fucking suck and start armorcrafting!

I was determined to roll a zerker, cause I always wanted to play a melee class, feel the actual melee dmg of a tank with str relics. But no. CBA to play a 2k ws grappled melee class that kills ppl by staring at them while a naughty hand keeps em stunned . I want to play a melee class , feel the actual damage , see the hp of the enemy to fall dramatically on every hit, but the fat slimmy programmer did his job again well ... No one tested anything(besides the bugs ofc..). Cause gameplay doesnt matter and the goa retards simply wont give a shit, JUST HAVE FUN WITH FUCKING HEROIC BATTLES.

I can live with the zerg and the 349736 TSing *****, I can live with infils being better than sb's (tho most of em are to retarded to realise it) , i can live also with the 48954 epic dressed wizzies that fill the milegates with PNs.
But I CAN'T live with developers being so short-minded making melee classes so useless.I can still imagine in my mind the rr2 random noob(PvE whore thats ml10 be4 getting 50 seeing a Highlander Invader like Konah or a Troll Invader like Zzang and insta Grappling em on sight feeling that his char fucking r0x
I'm gonna play my sb till NF comes out, try the EPIC UBER MASSIVE SKILLFUL concept a bit, and then sell my acc and w8 for WoW.

.....You could consider of this as a whine post...I don't think it is one really.

PROFIT M8's
uke: uke: uke:

P.S : I've seen pics of Mythic's programmers and editors. Fat and slimy. I pay them to make the game I play better, and they make it worse.
I hope you can be arsed to read the post xD

FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN MEIGHTS so bloody

 

[sko]

Can someone give me the short version, I cba reading long posts.

 

[Asharith]

kinda agree .. since i cba to level a sorc or other caster i will prolly try NF give away account and get addicted to RL even more :touch:

 

[Z^^]

wrong forum this is the roleplay section

 

[Mordur]

stop playing daoc like a hardcore counterstriker and have some fun instead, you'll see it will have loads more fun-factors then
after you did the hardcore pve'ing for artifacts etc that is :angelface:

 

[sko]

Can someone give me the short version, I cba reading long posts.

Ok I read the whole thing now... basically you're saying

"NERF GRAPPLE FFS!"

Grats2u.

 

[sko]

I'll be the first to say it...

QQ

 

[Botond]

u cant rp whore cause some "random n00bs" are pve whores? awwwwwwwww :touch:

 

[p0x]

The post started well, then went down to the usual sko-level :| Totally agree with the Mythic = greedy idiots points though x|

 

[Corran]

read the first 2 paragraphs so far and already will respond before reading the rest.

Which company DOESN'T look as the main objective being profit? That is the whole point of a business, to make a profit. The more the better, and if you can do so with very little effort then all the better.

It seems gamers expect companies to forget about any idea of profit and just to bow to their needs.

 

[Corran]

First things first. You dont pay them to make the game better. You pay them for the use of their servers, bandwidth and staffing to keep the game running. Any Improvements to the game are extra costs that only a small part of your subs will go towards paying.

If you want to play melee yet dont want to be grappled to stand there and do nothing then roll a Thane nobody cares about them, heh.

 

[Sycho]

I been grappled whole fights and it really really is annoying, biggest fuck up ever mythic made was make it so it can be chained.(hope charge improves things in NF)

But yeah light tanks can be completely taken out of the battle for a whole fight which sucks a lot...casters have killed me in 3-4 nukes with 2807hp in around 3-4s(drfrau overpowered bastard xD joke )

Just need to give grapple a timer but they will not.

 

[Dreami]

Gr8 sk8s m8s. Cba read thru the whole post, but it sure looks retarded enough.

I've made 3.3m rps after TOA came on my merc and I started kinda late.

 

[CstasY]

I've made 3.3m rps after TOA came on my merc and I started kinda late.

Better measure under the sheets tonight!

 

[Shanaia]

Also it's not true you just have to stand there when grappled ... most lighttanks have some form of ranged combat .. whip out your bow/trowing weps and try to interupt the caster that's gonna pbaoe you.

Also comparing Warcraft 3 to DAOC is like comparing Chess and hangman. Way to different to ever be compared to each other.

 

[Sobek]

Warcraft3 , released by Blizzard Entertainment.
A game played massively online, bringing players to fight each other in strategical combat(oO).
Blizzard constantly updates the game, renewing it to maintain interest, while at the same time tries to measure and keep the balance between four races that fight eachother. Blizzard programmers and game editors actually play the game and have gamers hired as beta testers, not only to report bugs, but to inform them of game balance as well. Excellent work, and free service.


Now, Dark Age of Camelot. The only game with In-Depth PvP that actually has a point compared to other MMORPG's.
I'm sorry, but I need to be raw and harsh, the clumsyness and crapyness of Mythic cannot be put into words.
Most of us are aware of it, but PROFIT is Mythic primary concern. Using PROFIT as a primary goal, they patch up the game and make it worse and worse.
ToA
A terrible expansion, introducing ridiculous amounts of boring and pointless PvE.
Bullshit abilities that ruined the "RPG" touch the game used to have. Just the concept of Atlantis in Camelot is just... a fat, slimy programmer's idea who neither really played the game nor understood it ever.

All of Blizzards games been hacked to fuckity, main reason they patch alot is to protect them self against those hacks, which just get renewed in a few days, and people hack again, so i guess the programmers at Mythic must have a slight clue about how to program no?

And you pay for DAoC, you get some more service than you would from Blizzard, i remmeber writing to them, and waited for 11 days before i got a reply, NOW THATS WHAT I CALL SERVICE!

And Trials of Atlantis ruined the roleplaying factor of Darkage of Camelot? i think not...wonder why they wrote riddles, histories about each artifact and masterlevel, but guess thats just so the "leet" people can go "sigh! stop talking already!"

Classes in DAoC, is like real life people.. not all of them make it over the top.

Think that sums up most of your post.

 

[sko]

so i guess the programmers at Mythic must have a slight clue about how to program no?

Yes, having handled radar for so many years! Great work!




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edit: plus Mythic/GOA get alot of money from customers compared to ie. blizzards Diablo2 customers, so they have alot more resources to work on things like monitoring and handling exploit(ers), which is the main reason why blizzard games have faced alot of hacking. Will be interesting to see how they handle WoW.

 

[Succi]

Completely agreed with the post at the start , then it got tainted abit by concentrating on personal annoyances.

One point I definately confirm is blizzard > mythic

The difference in customer care between the two is comparable to the size of an aircraft carrier and a pea.

 

[Awarkle]

just one important question.

Has any of you actually tried to sit down and put down on paper a mmorpg which has the depth and balance as dark age. OK balance is screwed up but ill say this its damn hard to actually ensure balance is perfect without having a counterstrike everyone has a cookie cutter exactly same character.

Planet side has balance issues and thats pure pvp.


NOone until you have programmed developed and published your own mmorpg can critisie mythic , blizard, sony or anyone until you say well this is my attempt what you think.

Now ive actually sat down and tried to plan out an MMORPG (for university) basically it got to around 80 pages then start to hit complexity issues you guys wouldnt understand.

Customer service is a different matter look at what sony did on star wars galaxies i would say that is totally different to what goa or mythic do.

I say Either stop paying and stop playing or quit whining and enjoy.

 

[Arthemis]

Liked the post... and same as p0x ´

cba to read all those post by "the sko" (hvor mon den anden er ?? )

 

[Morchaoron]

Also comparing Warcraft 3 to DAOC is like comparing Chess and hangman. Way to different to ever be compared to each other.

that is true but there were enough retards here last time who totally agreed with some arse who posted a 2 page (not self written ofc) story here about 'game balance' with rock-paper-scissors as a example which he associated with daoc...

oh and, he didnt really compare the games itself to each other, merely the way the companies deal with their own games, and he is right about that (i know alot of other warcraft 3 like games who get no decent patches/improvements at all)

i guess we will have to wait and see how they are gonna do it with WoW...

 

[Belomar]

Better measure under the sheets tonight!

Hehe, spot on.

 

[old.windforce]

i liked the point that you blame a company trying to maximize their revenue and profit

 

[Zede]

Hey, Ive got a cool idea. Roll a Caster m8.

Bets 50p the WoW forums will have LOTS of posts regarding inbalance...no company has ever had the magic forumula.

 

[Lokir]

Cant be a secret that all companys want profit.

Dont think its easy to get a game balanced but
some of Mythics changes is kind of REALY stupid.

When you read about some changes and the 1st
think that pops into your mind is "I must have
misunderstand coz that sounds realy OP".

Then you wonder how could they have missed that,
when I noticed it before i even played the patch/change.

I am not talking about Op classes that comes with a new
expansion coz they do that on purpose. Then they can nerf
it when everyone bought it.

I think it was a better game before ToA.

Now something good..I actually like the gfx .. ok =)

 

[Boggy]

Mythic is a business, their employees including the developers work for a pay. You can hardly condemn them for it since just about everything and everyone in the world does the same thing.

Presumably including Brilliance, unless he's too young to have yet discovered the joys of alienation.

Blizzard also work for profit. Whether you find their games more enjoyable has nothing to do with that. Anyone who saw the Diabllo II forums in the days when the game was still being patched would find the cries of "nerf sorcs" we currently hear eeriely familiar. That whole board was more or less one big rant against Blizzard and how they hated this class or that class and loved the others so much more.

I fully expect the same thing to happen in WoW, since it's more to do with the nature of players and the game than anything else.

 

[Thaadi_]

I been grappled whole fights and it really really is annoying, biggest fuck up ever mythic made was make it so it can be chained.(hope charge improves things in NF)

But yeah light tanks can be completely taken out of the battle for a whole fight which sucks a lot...casters have killed me in 3-4 nukes with 2807hp in around 3-4s(drfrau overpowered bastard xD joke )

Just need to give grapple a timer but they will not.

Heard about a druid 3 shotting you.

 

[Sycho]

Heard about a druid 3 shotting you.

Must do 900 a hit then.

 

[Juilie]

How much toughness have you got Sycho, if any? And is that with SoK aura and Scepter buff both?

 

[Tuorin]

I been grappled whole fights and it really really is annoying, biggest fuck up ever mythic made was make it so it can be chained.(hope charge improves things in NF)

But yeah light tanks can be completely taken out of the battle for a whole fight which sucks a lot...casters have killed me in 3-4 nukes with 2807hp in around 3-4s(drfrau overpowered bastard xD joke )

Just need to give grapple a timer but they will not.

Nah FZ ten times worse than chain grapple. I mean some n00b tard healer can use his macro while he's kiting you. Find it kinda funny how many actually miss FZ. Also when you grapple there's always some f8 caster hitting you. HP don't matter if your fighting a mid, didnt when savage daoc, now don't when RM. :x