Damn Friars!

[old.davidlqs]

Originally posted by Elrond/Ruffting

The overriding point is that an assasin should be able to kill a healing class easily.

Why? Where does it say that in the rules?

Originally posted by Elrond/Ruffting
You guys really are ignorant, spamming your stereotypes over these boards is a complete waste of time

Agreed - please don't follow suit.

 

[Elrond/Ruffting]

davidlqs, its not a rule, its a sensible statement as you well know. How would you like it if a shaman turned around and started bashing your Infiltrators for 400 damage a swing? I'm sure you'd complain. And this isn't just the issue of friars vs assasins, its the issue of friars vs anything. A friar can beat a tank the same level with ease, where does it say in 'the rules' that friars from the acolyte base class should be able to solo all tanks 1v1 or even 1v2? (as they do)

At the end of the day you're perfectly willing to accept the idea that friars should be able to completely wipe out pure tanks but assasins shouldn't be able to kill a friar, what the hell is wrong with you? I'm willing to accept the idea that assasins shouldn't be able to kill tanks as easily as they do because thats just plain sense. Please don't be so ignorant.

 

[Turamber]

Originally posted by Elrond/Ruffting
I'm willing to accept the idea that assasins shouldn't be able to kill tanks as easily as they do because thats just plain sense.

Then please accept the notion that a friar can spec to be a tank and not a healer!!! There are some healer friars out there but they are few and far between because, as every other healing/buffing class has found out, its pretty dull to just make others live longer.

 

[Derric]

Originally posted by Elrond/Ruffting
where does it say in 'the rules' that friars from the acolyte base class should be able to solo all tanks 1v1 or even 1v2? (as they do)

Where does it say they should not?

 

[hint]

im sorry but you seem to under the missunderstanding that because Friars are starting from being acolyts that they are healers.

they aren't.

sometimes a friar will spec in healing. if they spec Rejuv at level 6 they get cure poison, at level 7 they get cure desies, and at level 15 they get a slightly better rezz (15% ?) to make the spec heals worth haveing compared to base heals they have to spec up to around 40 in rejuve. they get noting else for that just some spells that are slightly better than the ones they get for 0 spec points. no instas. no more rezzes. nothing. so why spec heal beyond 15? infact the only reason to go asfar as 15 is to make life a bit better for the people you rezz it gains you no real benefit (yes my friar on excal has 15 rejuve).

a Friar is a tank. its plain and simple. if you watch a friar heal a group he will run out of power in half the time a cleric would and will often watch someone die becaus his 3 second cast time was too long. if you watch a frair tank you will see a char that can get the aggro from three tanks. i myself have got aggro from a red con mob in a group with 3 tanks that were between 3 and 5 levels higher than me whats moer one of them was taunting. now tell me that was not a tanking class.

the reason he hit so fast was the self hast buff a 30second spell with a 3 minute timer. the reason you were doing so little damage was the absorbtion buff a 15% absorbtion on top of the 10% from leather and the 15% has no weaknesses as far as i am aware.

the reason you lost was you jumped a tank.

if you follow the friar and wait till his buffs drop. then he is all yours. wait for him to stop to rebuff. he will have 7 self buffs that he has to recast every 10 minutes when they drop he is considerably weaker.

 

[Lanfaer]

Originally posted by hint
i myself have got aggro from a red con mob in a group with 3 tanks that were between 3 and 5 levels higher than me whats moer one of them was taunting. now tell me that was not a tanking class.

You seem to misunderstood it hint, a tank is someone who can take aggro and survive holding it, hell if dealing massive dmg to take aggro is all it takes to be classed as a tank then all the casters out there are tanks

 

[stafford]

Originally posted by Elrond/Ruffting
How would you like it if a shaman turned around and started bashing your Infiltrators for 400 damage a swing?

id wonder if shamans need buffbots

shamans get AoE dot and bolts and diseases n such
friars get styles so in effect shamans have turned round and hit me for 800+ dmg bfore i hit them once


and hint im sure i said that at the start of this post,
the mids are so annoyed with the fact that a month ago they ruled this server now there obsolete atm
they where realm of the month and now
they just wanna ruin somebody elses fun

and if they do want a nerf war ill point out

LEFT AXE not an overpowered class but an overpowered line ! ive seen LA SBs kill tanks in melee

2 handed weapons when not specced in them with no penalty

PA with a great sword and your telling me i should be nerfed

EVADE 7 shadowblades should not get evade 7 especially the fat norse 1s, being covered in axes swords throwing weapons those stupid helmets and a bag full of poison evade 7 shudnt be possible (the buffbots help tho right guys)

Skalds, no instruments no hinderance just speed n run

Bezerkers 100% possible evade 5x dmg NERFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
do it now

kick em while there down
god knows they wud do the same

 

[Fafnir]

Acolyte
Dedicated to The Church of Albion, Acolytes are men of faith who specialize in spells that make their friends stronger, and keeps them healthy. Acolytes rely on their Piety and Constitution. They can become Friars and Clerics.

Friar
Friars are Acolytes who join the Defenders of the Realm. Their job is to wander about the Realm, making sure that all is well. Because they undertake such dangerous journeys so often, they have learned to become proficient with the Quarterstaff, to the point that they are quite deadly. Their solemn vows of poverty make the eschew armor and traditional arms - though they make up for their lack of armor with training in evasion and dexterity, thus making them almost as hard to hit as another character in armor. . By doing so, they lose their ability to enhance their Realm-mates (buff spells), and instead focus on healing spells, staff combat, and combat defense. Only Britons can become Friars.

Yes they are made to be able to defend themselfs, so are armsmen, but armsmen should be harder to beat, and they are not. 5/10 hits lands on a armsman, 2/10 hits lands on a friar, 5/10 hits lands on a infil. Dont think Mythic meant to make friars somekind of shaolin battle monk, that can whoop ass and then heal up and do it all over again. Friar X hits you for 400, thrustpole armsman hit you for 400, armsman hit a hell of a lot slower, and easier to hit.

Think they where more meant to be able to defend themselves until their realm mates comes to help. But then again, let shaman spec weapons and give them 1.5 spec points erhm no. Give them better healings.

 

[hrodelbert]

well said faf i was absolutely owned by a friar in a duel altho i beat 2 aswell but the point is I was owned by a friar... thats just not right

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by hrodelbert
well said faf i was absolutely owned by a friar in a duel altho i beat 2 aswell but the point is I was owned by a friar... thats just not right

And its not just right you got owned by a Thane hehehhehehe still remember our fight.

 

[hrodelbert]

to clarify this... i wasn't owned ... the fight took ages.... i only had FA and you had both IP and FA and i had just come from killing durgi and was knackered so shaddup

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by hrodelbert
to clarify this... i wasn't owned ... the fight took ages.... i only had FA and you had both IP and FA and i had just come from killing durgi and was knackered so shaddup

Yeah and i was out of end 10 sec after fight begun

 

[hrodelbert]

I had a cold

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by hrodelbert
I had a cold

the icecream finally got the better of you?

 

[DocWolfe]

I think you are over rating friars... true they can hit damn hard, but in ranged combat if an archer gets 2/3 shots off they are dead same with casters.

 

[hrodelbert]

My icecream only makes me stronger

 

[Lanfaer]

Their solemn vows of poverty make the eschew armor and traditional arms - though they make up for their lack of armor with training in evasion and dexterity, thus making them almost as hard to hit as another character in armor.

Harder to hit and they hit harder, dem friars are just specced too good, from the statement above it doesn't seem that mythic intended the friars to be the asswhoopers that they indeed are. But all in all I don't really have a problem with that, have only fought a friar 1on1 once .. and that was by mistake .. didn't notice that he wore a cap and a wierd looking staff .. and he did tear me a new one

So I never (almost anyways) take on friars 1on1 anymore, if they land their blows you're toast and with them still having IP and SB's/NS's not you're just wasting those 10s you paid to get to hadrians/emain

 

[Tar-Aldarion]

Ok let me take u a little bit back in time! Do you remeber Robin Hood?. Do you remember that fat guy with a stick, dressed like cleric that was beating the hell out of him? He was a friar

Take it easy m8, I was meant to kill casters easy too, but I die in 3 casts. They stunn me 1st and then kill me! That 's DAoC Life. As someone said before in this thread, just don't pick up a Friar to kill next time, instead of whining. Cause I am sure that u r not the only assassin who died on a Friar, but you surely are the 1st to whine about this!

 

[cizz]

friars is fun

It´s fun to die now and then
And friars are the most fun char to fight 1 on 1.
Give albs more friars!!

 

[hint]

yes a tank should be abble to take damage. and friars can. in a way. If a friar is fighting a purple or red or even an orange and has the aggro then he will take a beating as Evade and parry don't work too well and they can't absorb like plate or taeke as manny hits as the other tank classes. but against yellows a friar is soo hard for the mob to hit that they often don't need healing after a fight. in PvE this make friars bad tanks in groups yes but solo they make great tanks. in RvR this meens that a low level friar (below 45?) will be hard pressed to survive in a fight but from 45+ a friar is as much a tank as all the other tank classes.