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Iceforge

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rofl! nice list...

Is it a bit sad that I know the answers to some of those questions? :p
 

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Nah. It means you're an educated chap.

What you do have to do tho is replace any question you've provided an answer for with another question
 

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Why do they call front seat shotgun?

Because thats where the man with the shotgun guarding the cargo used to sit, look it up on wiki! :)

Lets replace that with a classic mysterie:

Why do we press harder on the remote, when we know batteries has died?

And lets take that one step further

How can batteries die, when they have never lived?
 

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Ha ! Good one. I think it stems from the practice of shaking or rubbing or banging batteries that are losing their power in the vague hope of getting some last remnants of power out of them. If a remote doesn't work, and you think the batteries are going, you might bang the remote in your hand. Chances are that the remote will then work. The modern battery is a chemical device. A certain amount of shaking or banging does frequently effect the conductive electrolyte and electrodes. Unless of course the batteries are completely depleted of power.

We press the buttons harder out of frustration I think. Lack of patience. Or maybe we think we pressed the button too lightly. We say a battery has "died". Its just a figure of speech. Its easier to say then "been depleted of its power".
 

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lol :D

How big is the universe. Always wondered if anybody in the world knows!
 

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lol :D

How big is the universe. Always wondered if anybody in the world knows!

Its infinite mate. It stretches in all directions forever. It has 10 dimensions (if quantum superstring theory is correct), although the "other 6" are subatomically small so you could never ever "see" them.
 

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Surely it must come to an end at some point? Its totally baffling but interesting at the same time
 

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No there is no end.

There's a furthest extent to which the Big Bang matter has propelled itself since the Big Bang (some 14 billion light years out), but beyond all the stars and planets which we call "the universe" lies the eternal and unending expanses of the cosmos, in which there are probably billions and billions of similar "universes" also caused by Big Bangs

Big Bangs occur from singularities which are put into being by the operation of quantum physical events.

Essentially what quantum physics says is that matter can be created out of nothingness and two particles can co-exist in the same space at the same time. Its all about dimensions and the way in which the strings vibrate within the larger context of string theory.

If you're not shocked by quantum physics, you don't understand it
. A famous quote often postured when this stuff is talked about.
 

georgie

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So when are they gonna develop a quantum computer so I can really go nuts with me porn? :)
 

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Surely it must come to an end at some point? Its totally baffling but interesting at the same time

What would be on the other side of the end? Or how would you know its the end?
 

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What would be on the other side of the end? Or how would you know its the end?

Indeed.

Mankind's entire existence is based on limits, boundaries, our own mortality. Within 100 years everyone on this forum with be dead. In 7 billion years the Earth will be consumed by the Sun when it becomes a Red Giant. The seas will have long evaporated by then, our atmosphere will have been burned away at least 1.5 billion years before that, and the earth's crust will melt and become molton rock.

Mankind cannot easily conceive of an infinite anything because it is so outside of our ken.

But the cosmos or entire multi-verses exist within a void that is indeed infinite.
 

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I'd be careful as to if you say the universe is infinite as that isn't entirely true.

An infinite number cannot expand as it has reached it's boundary. Yet we are quite sure the universe is expanding. For something to expand it must have a finite end, a boundary that can be pushed further.

The best way to describe the universe would be finite but unbounded.
 

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Interesting. So the world is fuxed in 7billion years. What about my grankids?!
 

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Yeah, the universe is limited, but the cosmos isn't.

And we could say, without a duobt, that the universe is infinitely big.

Why can we say that?

Well, no matter how fast we travel, even if we reached the speed of light (which should be impossible) and traveled directly towards "the end" of the universe, we would never get in closer, due to the expansion speed, as far as I understand the entire thing.
 

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I think we need to define what we mean by "universe"

For me, the "universe" is everything that came out of the Big Bang singularity 14 billion years ago

Now let me ask you a question. What did all that Big Bang matter explode into ?

It is THAT (which I call the Void, for want of a better term) which is infinite.

It maybe that our universe - all the matter that came out of the big bang - is a gigantic globe - rather like the Earth - (some say it is a torus) - so that you could never actually escape it, due to the curvature of the space-time continuum

Either way, all that matter exists in the space-time continuum (the void) - and it is the Void which is infinite.
 

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Within 100 years everyone on this forum with be dead.

Speak for yourself buddy :eek:

Anyhoo, about something being "infinite" or never ending, it's not proovingly possible.

It's a word and you know what i mean!

If i say, i have an infinitely long string, it is only as long as i can prove it to be, +1(as it keeps going), but not infinite, you can't prove infinite. Otherwise the whole argument against god, in other words, "things have to be proven right, not other way around" is void ;)

Just had to!
 

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The speed of light is only a constant in a pure vacuum - roughly 186,000 miles per second. But in other mediums the speed of light varies massively. Scientists have measured the speed of light through super-cooled sodium and found it to travel at under 40 miles per hour ! In other experiments, scientists have propelled particles at least 1.7 times the speed of light, and maybe more.

Once we have a Unified Theory of Gravity, our understanding of the universe will change forever. This theory - which physicists are trying to come up with - unites Quantum Physics (the very small) with General Relativity (the very large), and will explain how particles are just vibrating strings within 10 dimensional hyper-space (superstring theory) and bend space-time. Such a theory has been the life work of Stephen Hawking, and it would explain what actually happens at the singularity in a black hole, and how the big bang occured. Some observers have even postulated whether it is possible to use resonating gravity waves to produce an exponentially zero-mass which could propel a physical object at many millions of times faster than the speed of light, although this is very much in the realms of science fiction.
 

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Toto, if you believe you'll live longer than 120 years, then I'm not going to deny you that belief. Live long and prosper my friend.

OK so we don't know FOR SURE that the cosmos is infinite. Proving it would be nigh on impossible. Rather like PROVING the existence of God.

Of course everything I've said is completely at odds with religion & God. I'm not even going to debate that one. You can believe in God created everything, or you can look at things from a purely scientific facet. At least from a scientific facet things can be proven to be true or not true. Some can't be proven. Yet. Some might only be proven true or false in 20,000 years from now. Who knows ? But when you start bringing God into the equation, you start entering the realm of personal beliefs. Everyone's entitled to believe what they like. I'm basing my conjectures purely in the realm of science.
 

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Toto, if you believe you'll live longer t*snip*uation, you start entering the realm of personal beliefs. Everyone's entitled to believe what they like. I'm basing my conjectures purely in the realm of science.

I don't mean to turn it into religious talk, just used the old argument against god and religion, as a "funny" sorts of thing.

Just noticed now as you talked about infinite space.

Saying to a scientist "the cosmos is infinite", is totally ok. Nothing there. "Ofcourse it is!", would be the normal response. But bring into the picture, something as equally un-provable as the infinity, like say, god, and it's preposterous. I've noticed quite some inconsistency in science every now and then, just the first time i really brought it up. This just debunks abit one of the favorite spaghetti monster theories against religion. Ofcourse we'll only know when it's proven, but, as such, god is easier to prove then infinity :D

About me living past 120, i refer to my old quote of "immortal until proven otherwise", which, in itself, is a funny conundrum ;)
 

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About me living past 120, i refer to my old quote of "immortal until proven otherwise", which, in itself, is a funny conundrum ;)

Do you mean your physical body is immortal, or, do you accept that you're physical body will die, but that immortality (in whatever form or consciousness you believe) will follow after the death of the physical body ?

I find it interesting that someone who thinks they will live forever (ie infinitely) (contrary to medical science and the endeavours of mankind since the ancient Greeks) is unable to accept the concept of an infinite cosmos.
 

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Do you mean your physical body is immortal, or, do you accept that you're physical body will die, but that immortality (in whatever form or consciousness you believe) will follow after the death of the physical body ?

I find it interesting that someone who thinks they will live forever (ie infinitely) (contrary to medical science and the endeavours of mankind since the ancient Greeks) is unable to accept the concept of an infinite cosmos.

It's just a funny thing to say, don't take it so seriously, that "like a vampire" i'm immortal.

Until proven otherwise.

As when/if i die, noone can tell me i was wrong(in this world atleast).

So i, as a person, can't be proven wrong to myself, in this matter, by any other person.
 

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And don't get me wrong, immortality can't be proven either. Hensh, until proven otherwise should be the motto of all things immortal.
 

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And don't get me wrong, immortality can't be proven either. Hensh, until proven otherwise should be the motto of all things immortal.

Immortality as far as the physical body is concerned is easily disproved
 

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Space infinite, hah that is probably bullshit. And to claim to know how universe was created is bullshit aswell. Yeah big bang is a no brainer but all this theory about universe expanding and stuff is so far fetched. I just don´t think thats the way it works.
 

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wow fettoken you obviously know what youre talking about.

whats youe theory about the universe and space time?
 

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Space infinite, hah that is probably bullshit. And to claim to know how universe was created is bullshit aswell. Yeah big bang is a no brainer but all this theory about universe expanding and stuff is so far fetched. I just don´t think thats the way it works.

So much for intelligent conversation. Oh well. It was a pleasant thread while it lasted.
 

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wow fettoken you obviously know what youre talking about.

whats youe theory about the universe and space time?

Its too early to tell obviously, but i don´t believe in the big bang theory and everything that goes with it. This could all be a dream as far as i know...

edit: No point in arguing philosophical points of view, just think that science is a bit overrated, was not my intention to start a flamewar..
 

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