Court threat to UK song swappers

[gunner440]

Cyfr try and get this copyright bullshit turned around

heh in his jail cell preaching about copyright to the other inmates ;p

but still, i'm hoping for some kind of compromise to be introduced i mean, itunes or whatever they're called dont work in the UK yet

there's no "official" alternative

 

[Tom]

Its an age old question, 'when is it right to break the law'. The answer is usually when a large enough minority view that law as unjust. Its happened many times before (the Poll Tax being the most obvious), so you can bet that something will happen to change it before long.

Downloading songs isn't really to be compared to the radio, as you pay to listen to the radio.

I favour some kind of payment system, perhaps a subscription to a service that allows you unlimited downloads every month. How you then impose copy protection, while ensuring that the songs are playable on any other equipment the user owns, is something for the techies to sort out.

 

[Clown]

heh in his jail cell preaching about copyright to the other inmates ;p

There's a difference though. I'm not ranting and raving about it being in the right or having the right to steal.

 

[nath]

Nor am I, but I still don't consider it stealing. If I was to get done by the RI then I'd be miffed but I wouldn't moan about the injustice of it all. My point is, and has always been that I'm really not gunna lose any sleep over it. I don't consider it *wrong*. I know it's illegal, but as I've said many times before - so is doing 72mph in a 70mph zone.

And Tom, how exactly do you pay to listen to the radio? (Assuming, for example, that you don't have a television/tv licence)

 

[Paradroid]

I would be in favour of some kind of P2P subscription. Say you pay £10/20 a month to a P2P/ISP provider (depending on your level of service), the P2P/ISP host gets a small part of that money (they make it technically viable afterall) with the majority of the money going to a special fund which is dished-out to all the concerned parties (some money to the music industry, some to the movie industry etc etc).

Companies like BayTSP could channel their efforts into providing evidence to this fund-holder to lobby for more cash for their respective clients, instead of warning 1.5 million peeps a day to stop sharing.

It would be similar to the kind of travelcard that you can get for public transport (zonecards in Scotland). Each transport provider (ie different bus & train companies) make a record when someone uses their zonecard and they then get a share of the original monies paid by the customers for their zonecards. This approach makes sense to me.




P.S. I don't want to speak for anyone here, but I thought Tom meant that the artists get a payment whenever a song is played on the radio....you don't pay, but the broadcaster does....

 

[Healer McHeal]

I would be in favour of some kind of P2P subscription. Say you pay £10/20 a month to a P2P/ISP provider (depending on your level of service), the P2P/ISP host gets a small part of that money (they make it technically viable afterall) with the majority of the money going to a special fund which is dished-out to all the concerned parties (some money to the music industry, some to the movie industry etc etc).

Companies like BayTSP could channel their efforts into providing evidence to this fund-holder to lobby for more cash for their respective clients, instead of warning 1.5 million peeps a day to stop sharing.

It would be similar to the kind of travelcard that you can get for public transport (zonecards in Scotland). Each transport provider (ie different bus & train companies) make a record when someone uses their zonecard and they then get a share of the original monies paid by the customers for their zonecards. This approach makes sense to me.




P.S. I don't want to speak for anyone here, but I thought Tom meant that the artists get a payment whenever a song is played on the radio....you don't pay, but the broadcaster does....

aye, they get "royaltys" every time one of there song is played on a radio station, it might not be much, but at least its something. i still dont think they should be so worried about all this and, i love that idea tbh

 

[Tom]

And Tom, how exactly do you pay to listen to the radio? (Assuming, for example, that you don't have a television/tv licence)

You need a license to receive radio broadcasts in this country. For most people, thats covered by their television license.

For the network stations, you pay indirectly for the running of the station (and therefore the payments of royalties to artists) through the products you buy (which are advertised). Just like ITV, which people wrongly assume is free.

 

[Cyfr]

There's a difference though. I'm not ranting and raving about it being in the right or having the right to steal.

Nore am I if thats what you are implying.

 

[nath]

For the network stations, you pay indirectly for the running of the station (and therefore the payments of royalties to artists) through the products you buy (which are advertised). Just like ITV, which people wrongly assume is free.

I wouldn't say they wrongly assume it's free. You can listen to those stations and not buy any of the products that they advertise. The fact that it's being paid for and the public is indirectly contributing to it doesn't mean it's not free (if you ask me).

 

[Healer McHeal]

nothing is ever free, there is always a catch some where, and always will be, humans are greedy by nature, and they proove it more then disproove it.