Politics Coronavirus

[Moriath]

There isn't one. Nowhere to go.

The best type of festive season

 

[Scouse]

MHRA (and, of course, the government) takes a knock:

Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine rollout plan changed following approval

Concern over move to give millions first jab with a wait of up to 12 weeks for second dose

www.theguardian.com

"Pfizer/BioNTech said that their vaccine was not designed to be used in two shots 12 weeks apart. In a statement, the firms said there was no evidence the first shot continued to work beyond three weeks."

Dodgy ground changing our vaccination plan.

 

[Ormorof]

MHRA (and, of course, the government) takes a knock:

Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine rollout plan changed following approval

Concern over move to give millions first jab with a wait of up to 12 weeks for second dose

www.theguardian.com

"Pfizer/BioNTech said that their vaccine was not designed to be used in two shots 12 weeks apart. In a statement, the firms said there was no evidence the first shot continued to work beyond three weeks."

Dodgy ground changing our vaccination plan.

Just read that wtf are they thinking

I mean what we need now is more confusion and chaos right?

 

[caLLous]

wtf are they thinking

"How can we make it look like we're doing better than we really are in the short term without any consideration of the implications of this decision in the long term?"

 

[Embattle]

There is apparently some logic behind doing more with the first dose than less with two doses, although it appears to lack enough trial data. The bigger issue seems to be the effect on GP/Practices with already scheduled 2 doses.

 

[Ormorof]

And the manufacturer advising against it?

 

[Moriath]

Covid: Police turn away visitors to Brecon Beacons

Wales' alert level four restrictions only allow travel if it is essential.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Embattle]

Covid: Illegal New Year party at Essex church broken up

Objects are thrown and officers threatened as they break up the New Year's Eve party in Essex.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Jupitus]

Covid: Illegal New Year party at Essex church broken up

Objects are thrown and officers threatened as they break up the New Year's Eve party in Essex.

www.bbc.co.uk

Fucking idiots....

 

[dysfunction]

What a shambles of a government this is:

Ministers urged to close all schools in England for two weeks

Call comes after government said all primaries in London should remain closed next week

www.theguardian.com

Yet another u-turn.

If we had closed everything for 3 weeks prior to Christmas we wouldn't be in crisis mode now.

 

[Wij]

This is fucked up:

Ruined vaccines: 60 people got shots with intentionally spoiled drugs

Authorities arrested a suburban Milwaukee pharmacist Thursday suspected of deliberately ruining hundreds of doses of vaccine.

www.chicagotribune.com

 

[Embattle]

This is fucked up:

Ruined vaccines: 60 people got shots with intentionally spoiled drugs

Authorities arrested a suburban Milwaukee pharmacist Thursday suspected of deliberately ruining hundreds of doses of vaccine.

www.chicagotribune.com

Yeah read about it on some site, in some ways it is utterly shocking but then I think what has gone on and Covid and it has again shown the great but also shown some of the worst.

'Hundreds' turn up for anti-lockdown protest held outside Covid ward

The London Economic - A junior doctor captured the footage, saying he wished people could see the amount of Covid 19 and death in hospitals - News

www.thelondoneconomic.com

 

[Scouse]

Dr Anthony Fauci says US will not delay second doses of Covid vaccine

American infectious disease expert disagrees with UK’s plans to prioritise first doses

www.theguardian.com

 

[Zarjazz]

If we had closed everything for 3 weeks prior to Christmas we wouldn't be in crisis mode now.

They could have done that at any time in most of 2020 and we wouldn't be in this situation. Frankly even if they'd done absolutely nothing I still think we'd be in a better position.

 

[Moriath]

They could have done that at any time in most of 2020 and we wouldn't be in this situation. Frankly even if they'd done absolutely nothing I still think we'd be in a better position.

I dont believe the public would have done enough to stop the new strain from expanding. Maybe slightly less but was a thing on last night saying even in 4 with everyone applying the rules we would be increasing dramatically.

thats without tossers like this


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[Moriath]

 

[SilverHood]

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A Quora question with a well reasoned and thought out answer! Collapse it immediately!

 

[Job]

Extra deaths is the absolute measure...for deaths.

That doesnt include severe illness of course which can go on to death at a later date.
The issue is they knew there would be another wave..they new it would mutate, but not an ounce of the billions spent went towards preperation, we are fighting it with the exact same number of ICU beds we started with...and that is simply because it is old people and no one cares.

 

[Moriath]

Extra deaths is the absolute measure...for deaths.

That doesnt include severe illness of course which can go on to death at a later date.
The issue is they knew there would be another wave..they new it would mutate, but not an ounce of the billions spent went towards preperation, we are fighting it with the exact same number of ICU beds we started with...and that is simply because it is old people and no one cares.

You cannot predict what a mutation will do until its already mutated. We have loads more beds with oxygen et al in the nightingales. But you dont want to use them u til you make the choice to stop most other health support cause you need to take the staff from other areas.
you cant train icu nurses in a few months.

 

[Job]

Its been 10 months for a very particular illness.
You could teach the parking attendent in that time to work in a covid specific icu.

 

[Scouse]

Jeezuz.

You're a walking talking reason to overhaul our whole society, never mind education system.

 

[Job]

You could probably teach an ordinary nurse to work on covid patients in ICU within a few weeks and Im pretty sure they are doing.

 

[Scouse]

The fact is @Job - we are trying to not need the additional beds.

That's the whole point of lockdowns. If we don't do that even the nightingale hospitals could get overwhelmed.

 

[Job]

Well good luck with that.

I am noticing a fall off the cliff level of not mask wearing level by the under 40s.

Id say 50% of the people in the petrol station Spar were maskless today.

Says it all about how they are behaving with family and friends

 

[Raven]

Jeezuz.

You're a walking talking reason to overhaul our whole society, never mind education system.

@Job is allowed to vote.

That's where we are.

Education is the key, to help idiots make better choices.

 

[Embattle]

You could probably teach an ordinary nurse to work on covid patients in ICU within a few weeks and Im pretty sure they are doing.

The other problem being a lack of staff as they get covid and isolate as well, so there sure isn't time to teach new nurses on ICU.

 

[Moriath]

Icu nurses are very specific in their skill sets and moving ordinary nurses just creates a deficit from where you moved them from. Takes a couple years to qualify as a nurse iirc.

Approved full-time nursing degree courses last for three (or four years if taking a dual-field degree), or longer if taken on a part-time basis. Accelerated courses for graduates take two years.

a nurse is much more than bedpans and bed baths these days.

 

[Ormorof]

But education is a sham and something brown people and AI will replace them

/s

Nurses do a damn hard job

 

[Job]

Yes.
But they follow procedure and the electronics are doing most of the hard work.
Its almost entirely basic nursing and servicing all the tubes and wiring, the consultants are making all the decisions.

 

[dysfunction]

Yes.
But they follow procedure and the electronics are doing most of the hard work.
Its almost entirely basic nursing and servicing all the tubes and wiring, the consultants are making all the decisions.

what a load of shit