Politics Coronavirus

[Moriath]

As others do, I think it will just be the vulnerable that get it, i'd be surprised if anyone under 50 gets it unless they have an underlying illness and are therefore at risk. I do wonder if it may be made mandatory for travel to some places though.

Probably have to pay yourself for it if its needed for travel

 

[Aoami]

Probably have to pay yourself for it if its needed for travel

Yeah i'd expect so. Something like £50 or whatever it is for Yellow Fever etc.

 

[Job]

Its nice to know the Indy writers are following me on freddys

Scientists accuse government of ‘wildly inappropriate comments’ over UK’s vaccine approval

Ministers accused of ‘snatching chaos from the jaws of sanity’ with distracting rows

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Raven]

WTF are you on about? Did you read it?

 

[Job]

Of course not..its the Indy.


Anyway

 

[Job]

Are we going to discriminate against people who havent had the vaccine?
No..no
Really no, thats awfu...

Oh by the way heres the new vaccination proof cards.

 

[Raven]

If there is no real reason except for 'some guy on facebook said it would make my hair fall out' ...sure, why not?

It would be nice if dumb people were only allowed out at certain times full stop. It would make going shopping or going out anywhere so much easier, pandemic or not.

 

[Scouse]

If there is no real reason except for 'some guy on facebook said it would make my hair fall out' ...sure, why not?

It would be nice if dumb people were only allowed out at certain times full stop. It would make going shopping or going out anywhere so much easier, pandemic or not.

Posted extensively on why that's a terribad idea. Really bad

 

[dysfunction]

Are we going to discriminate against people whView attachment 43242View attachment 43242o havent had the vaccine?
No..no
Really no, thats awfu...

Oh by the way heres the new vaccination proof cards.

More of your bullshit propaganda

 

[Job]

I personally couldnt give a fuck, but it does concern me that you attatch extreme stereotypes to the slightest opinion or observation...repeat till you believe it yourself without question and then go out into the real world armed with this embedded bigotry to judge humanity.
Its actually you who is the tin hatter.

 

[Scouse]

More of your bullshit propaganda

I don't think so? "Please keep this record in your wallet"?

Fuck off. It's none of your business if I've been vaccinated or not. Or whether I've had measles, mumps or rubella vaccine. Or tetanus. Or whether I'm on chemotherapy. Or whether I have a genetic disorder that makes it more likely to get a disease that hampers me in the future.

Vaccination is and should be voluntary. Social coercion is likely to provoke more resistance to vaccination and entrench that position in a population we desparately need to improve vaccination rates in. It will mean that some poor and poorly educated people will not only be getting fucked over - but they'll remain vectors of transmission to the rest of us who aren't tinfoil wearing asshats.

We absolutely need to run medical stuff on trust.

 

[Scouse]

Its actually you who is the tin hatter.

No @Job. That's definitely you. Promise.

 

[Raven]

You can't have a pop at smokers in public places and not care about swivel headed anti-vaxers spreading their shit everywhere, both have a chance of killing someone through selfishness and idiocy. They are the sort of stupid fucks that have made this pandemic go on for longer than it needed to in the first place so it's unlikely they would trouble themselves with not coughing all over the back of your head in a queue anyway.

Don't want the vaccine? Fine, off you fuck, into the sea. The rest of us want to get on with our lives as risk free as possible.

Another way around it would be to simply tattoo 'Im a stupid cunt' on the forehead of people that refuse to take a vaccine based on dumb shit. They can then be refused entry.

 

[dysfunction]

I don't think so? "Please keep this record in your wallet"?

Fuck off. It's none of your business if I've been vaccinated or not. Or whether I've had measles, mumps or rubella vaccine. Or tetanus. Or whether I'm on chemotherapy. Or whether I have a genetic disorder that makes it more likely to get a disease that hampers me in the future.

Vaccination is and should be voluntary. Social coercion is likely to provoke more resistance to vaccination and entrench that position in a population we desparately need to improve vaccination rates in. It will mean that some poor and poorly educated people will not only be getting fucked over - but they'll remain vectors of transmission to the rest of us who aren't tinfoil wearing asshats.

We absolutely need to run medical stuff on trust.

Vaccination is voluntary.
Well it's not to discriminate against people. Its not saying you *have* to keep it with you. They are just asking you to.
It may be so you have the card when you go for the 2nd dose.

But creating hysteria around having a card certainly isnt helpful.

 

[Scouse]

It may be so you have the card when you go for the 2nd dose.

But creating hysteria around having a card certainly isnt helpful.

I disagree.

Your vaccination record is held by the NHS. It should be accesible by NHS staff. Once you go for your first shot you'll have a record of that. You'll get an appointment for your booster, just like any other vaccine.

If they're creating a special card for covid vaccinations and asking people to carry it around with them then that can only be for use outside of the medical arena. And that is a horribly dangerous precedent to set. Horribly dangerous.

So right now, creating hysteria is the right response. We should be kicking off about this sort of stuff.

 

[Scouse]

Don't want the vaccine? Fine, off you fuck, into the sea. The rest of us want to get on with our lives as risk free as possible.

Another way around it would be to simply tattoo 'Im a stupid cunt' on the forehead of people that refuse to take a vaccine based on dumb shit. They can then be refused entry.

Whilst I think this is a natural emtional response requiring large swathes of your population to drown themselves does't appear to be a practical policy decision IMO.

 

[Scouse]

Are we going to discriminate against people who havent had the vaccine?

Oh by the way heres the new vaccination proof cards.

BTW @Job. If there weren't so many fucking anti-vaxxer idiots who were going to dodge the vaccine the argument to bring out ID cards for anti-vaxxers would be much much weaker.

Instead of spreading rumour, doubt and generally pandering to the anti-vaxxer narrative why not get with the evidence - and encourage people to take the vaccine.

Doing so will save lives.

 

[Raven]

Yes, but you can't fix stupid, not in an age where every poorly educated fantasist can spew their gibberish to an ever hungrier crowd of morons, just look at @Job he can find a headline to re-enforce any weird idea he has read on social media, the contents rarely matter.

The rest of us shouldn't have to put up with it affecting our lives.

 

[Scouse]

Yes, but you can't fix stupid

Agree. 100%. Stupid is unfixable.

So we shouldn't try.

The rest of us shouldn't have to put up with it affecting our lives.

Exactly - including having to use counterproductive socially-limiting vaccination passports. Which are a restriction of our freedoms but will be resisted, subverted and twisted by the dumb, costing us more money to police, driving cost up and safety down for the rest of us - who went and got vaccinated in the first place because we're not morons.

Fixing the unfixable stupid means restrictions on all of our freedoms and affects all of our lives.

 

[dysfunction]

Agree. 100%. Stupid is unfixable.

So we shouldn't try.


Exactly - including having to use counterproductive socially-limiting vaccination passports. Which are a restriction of our freedoms but will be resisted, subverted and twisted by the dumb, costing us more money to police, driving cost up and safety down for the rest of us - who went and got vaccinated in the first place because we're not morons.

Fixing the unfixable stupid means restrictions on all of our freedoms and affects all of our lives.

But this hasn't happened. And the government has said they won't be doing.
Obviously if they lie about that then I'm sure there will be, and rightly so, an uproar about it.

But until then rumour, guessing and supposing and making stuff isnt helpful to getting people to take the vaccine.

 

[Scouse]

But this hasn't happened. And the government has said they won't be doing.

And yet there are vaccination cards doing the rounds.

Methinks you're a little too trusting. How much smoke do you need?

Kick off early, kick off hard, make your government wary.

 

[Yoni]

Why would a health worker want a vaccine that is not properly tested?

Noticed a face palm on this - as it stands the vaccine has not been thouroughly tested to the same standards that it used to be - if you are ok with this @Scouse no one is stopping you from lining up... I have family and friends who work in the NHS who are not interested until it is certified properly..... additionally if it was so safe why would the government have changed the priority so that NHS workers are not the first to get it... oO

NHS staff no longer top priority for vaccine despite fear of third wave

Health officials warn infections at Christmas gatherings could lead to overwhelmed hospitals

www.theguardian.com

 

[Scouse]

When you start replying to the good-faith points I make to you (even by rather lengthy personal message) @Yoni, rather than auto-facepalming me then I'll start to re-engage more fully..

In the meantime - I disagree with your point that this vaccine isn't properly tested and the PM I sent over last week is a detailed risk-based argument that covers any eventualities anyway...


Edit: that story is self-evidently about priorities (care homes and over 80's, quite sensibly) - not vaccine safety.

 

[Yoni]

Here the vaccine just like all the others will be volentary - there is no card to carry afterwards. When you travel to a foreign country one is advised of the vaccinations to be taken... I have never been asked for a certificate saying that I have had the recommendations. Why would they start now? This card thing looks like a british thing to try to ensure compliance.... if you do not have your jab you cant go to the restaurant, or to the cinema or in to a shop.... good luck with that. Sweden will offer the vaccine to the elderly and those who need it first - it is not envisaged that anyone under 60 will have a vaccine until next auturmn.

 

[Scouse]

Totally agree @Yoni

 

[Gwadien]

Noticed a face palm on this - as it stands the vaccine has not been thouroughly tested to the same standards that it used to be - if you are ok with this @Scouse no one is stopping you from lining up... I have family and friends who work in the NHS who are not interested until it is certified properly..... additionally if it was so safe why would the government have changed the priority so that NHS workers are not the first to get it... oO

NHS staff no longer top priority for vaccine despite fear of third wave

Health officials warn infections at Christmas gatherings could lead to overwhelmed hospitals

www.theguardian.com

Because the majority of NHS staff don't vote Tory.

 

[Yoni]

I know.... oO

 

[Gwadien]

I know.... oO

Ah, I misread your post, you're talking about concerns over safety.

 

[Yoni]

Yes and there are still concerns...

 

[Scouse]

Because the majority of NHS staff don't vote Tory.

Or because the majority of NHS staff are younger than the highest risk groups?

Care home staff and care home residents are the top priority. Followed by the public population over 80.

Not "public servants" - like teachers who really want the vaccine because they're asthmatic and scared rather than actually being high risk.

NHS staff as soon as practical.


I guess I'm dismissive of people's concerns about rollouts and why those decisions get taken. But then, risk-weighted rollouts of multimillion pound remedial programmes is part of day-to-day job - so it all seems simple and obvious to me.

I could be more sympathetic I guess. Part of the new mr nice scouse I promised @Jupitus I'd be