Politics Coronavirus

[MYstIC G]

I think it's a fairly acceptable question to ask and he answered it rather diplomatically, he could have shit talked us to death, but no, we just have a different system.

Not as careful isn't particularly diplomatic imho

 

[Job]

Just what we needed, politicians around the western world arguing over rushing certification for dick points.

If Hancock fucked anything up, its that cretinous remark about being the first, forget the EU, its a twat of a slap in the face of the countries in Europe.
Thats it, were out now for good.

 

[Raven]

...and then he back peddled anyway...

Fauci apologises for saying UK 'rushed' vaccine

After apparent criticism from the US expert, the UK defended the safety and efficacy of the vaccine.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

Not as careful isn't particularly diplomatic imho

I think he knows there's a significant amount of anti-vax sentiment in America so he's playing to the crowd, nothing more.

Good on him, tbpfh.

 

[Scouse]

The Covid vaccine arrived quickly – but there's every reason to trust it | Charlotte Summers

It’s safe, it works, and it gives a tantalising glimpse of what else might be achieved given sufficient political will, says Dr Charlotte Summers, of the University of Cambridge

www.theguardian.com

Dr Charlotte Summers is a lecturer in intensive care medicine at the University of Cambridge

 

[Moriath]

The Covid vaccine arrived quickly – but there's every reason to trust it | Charlotte Summers

It’s safe, it works, and it gives a tantalising glimpse of what else might be achieved given sufficient political will, says Dr Charlotte Summers, of the University of Cambridge

www.theguardian.com

Dr Charlotte Summers is a lecturer in intensive care medicine at the University of Cambridge

Ok. Like theres two sides to this.

devils advocat and all that

1. We are ahead of the curve and great at all things. We approve the vaccine and hope no one else finds anything.
2. We are stupid and others find gaps in the evidence and we shit a birck.

instead of trying to better everyone. If the research is fine why dont the major western (at least) countries pool their authentication bodies and double triple check. As the R&D companies have.

 

[Ormorof]

Because too many are lead by dick size comparing children, or get called communists for even suggesting it, or in the case of several female led Nordics their PMs are held to absurd standards that their male counterparts are not

 

[Yoni]

The UK are now offering compensation for side effects oO

 

[Job]

So, will you take it or other vaccines if its offered to you?

 

[Yoni]

I’ve already stated I will not take it until later next year earliest

 

[Scouse]

Fauci apologises for saying UK 'rushed' vaccine

After apparent criticism from the US expert, the UK defended the safety and efficacy of the vaccine.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Bodhi]

Fauci has been bigging up the Moderna vaccine all the way through this, so was probably ever so slightly butthurt that Pfizer are currently getting all the plaudits.

Not that that should matter, as there are at least 3 main candidates out there (Oxford/Az, Moderna, Pfizer), and if we're going to vaccinate everyone who wants it, we will need all 3.

Which begs the next question - who determines who gets what? I'm assuming the most vulnerable in the UK will be getting the Pfizer one as it's available first, but after that? Can we choose?

 

[Aoami]

Fauci has been bigging up the Moderna vaccine all the way through this, so was probably ever so slightly butthurt that Pfizer are currently getting all the plaudits.

Not that that should matter, as there are at least 3 main candidates out there (Oxford/Az, Moderna, Pfizer), and if we're going to vaccinate everyone who wants it, we will need all 3.

Which begs the next question - who determines who gets what? I'm assuming the most vulnerable in the UK will be getting the Pfizer one as it's available first, but after that? Can we choose?

Surely it just comes down to what the UK have bought? I think we've already bought 40m units of the pfizer vaccine, so that should cover everyone who needs it.

 

[Himps1982]

Is the vaccine mandatory? I'm not completely opposed to it, just curious.

 

[Scouse]

Surely it just comes down to what the UK have bought? I think we've already bought 40m units of the pfizer vaccine, so that should cover everyone who needs it.

20 million people? Out of 65?

Almost everyone needs done.

 

[Scouse]

Is the vaccine mandatory? I'm not completely opposed to it, just curious.

No. Vaccines shouldn't be mandatory - the medical profession is very clear that they need trust. Mandates break trust.

I'm not even remotely worried.

 

[Aoami]

20 million people? Out of 65?

Almost everyone needs done.

Why 20 million? 40m will easily cover everyone who needs it.

 

[Moriath]

Why 20 million? 40m will easily cover everyone who needs it.

They need 2 doses

 

[Aoami]

They need 2 doses

Ah ok, didn't know that. Not sure whether it's 40m "units" or "full doses".

 

[Bodhi]

Surely it just comes down to what the UK have bought? I think we've already bought 40m units of the pfizer vaccine, so that should cover everyone who needs it.

Must admit I didn't think we'd bought that much of the Pfizer vaccine - looks like we've bought 30 million doses - and 100 million of the Oxford vaccine!

Covid-19: Pre-purchasing vaccine—sensible or selfish?

High income countries such as the UK and the US have pre-ordered vast amounts of candidate covid-19 vaccines ahead of their regulatory approval. Are such policies nationalistic—or good practice? Ingrid Torjesen investigates Vaccine development is an expensive and risky process that follows a...

www.bmj.com

In fact if you add up all we've bought, it comes to potentially 350 million doses. That strikes me as quite a lot - almost as if we've bought every vaccine we can find in the hope we get the good one.

No Sputnik purchased so far though - or the one British American Tobacco were working on. Sadface.

 

[Moriath]

Ah ok, didn't know that. Not sure whether it's 40m "units" or "full doses".

All the order amounts are individual doses.

 

[Scouse]

40m will easily cover everyone who needs it.

Nah. We need to vaccinate as many people as possible.

This is potentially about eradicating the virus. Like we did with smallpox. Massive global vaccination programme.

If we don't go for eradication, then we need to go for herd immunity - and we need about 95% of the population to be vaccinated for that.

 

[Bodhi]

Nah. We need to vaccinate as many people as possible.

This is potentially about eradicating the virus. Like we did with smallpox. Massive global vaccination programme.

If we don't go for eradication, then we need to go for herd immunity - and we need about 95% of the population to be vaccinated for that.

Nice thought but not going to happen with the current vaccines. If they were sterilising vaccines then fair enough, but the current ones being released just reduce symptoms, don't stop you getting it.

This will just end up as the 5th endemic Coronavirus, and we are well on the way to Herd Immunity already. We don't need anywhere near 95% to have it - I've seen the HIT quoted at around 60%, and plenty of people believe it is lower than that when you add in cross-immunity from other Coronaviruses. Bear in mind Herd Immunity doesn't mean the virus disappears, just that any flare ups are small and easy to manage as the virus runs out of susceptible hosts. It's also how every other Pandemic has finished, despite the fact that the viruses in question are still circulating (Spanish, Hong Kong etc are all still out there).

Treat it like the flu vaccine imo. Vaccinate the vulnerable, then make it available to anyone else who wants it.

 

[Aoami]

Treat it like the flu vaccine imo. Vaccinate the vulnerable, then make it available to anyone else who wants it.

Totally agree.

 

[dysfunction]

Nah. We need to vaccinate as many people as possible.

This is potentially about eradicating the virus. Like we did with smallpox. Massive global vaccination programme.

If we don't go for eradication, then we need to go for herd immunity - and we need about 95% of the population to be vaccinated for that.

We wont eradicate it. It will be around to stay I think. Something we are going to have to live with.
Get your flu and covid jabs each year

Prof Jonathan Van-Tam said on TV he believes once vaccine is mainstream it will become a seasonal virus.

 

[MYstIC G]

Fauci apologises for saying UK 'rushed' vaccine

After apparent criticism from the US expert, the UK defended the safety and efficacy of the vaccine.

www.bbc.co.uk

Think that proves my point, thanks

Also shows that he has character/integrity which is what I thought of him before his comment.

 

[Aoami]

As others do, I think it will just be the vulnerable that get it, i'd be surprised if anyone under 50 gets it unless they have an underlying illness and are therefore at risk. I do wonder if it may be made mandatory for travel to some places though.

 

[Job]

Its been stated that this vaccine is very fragile, has to be kept at minus 80 ofd and even exlxcessive movement can damage it.

They keep referring to being allowed on safety terms to break up these minimum 1000 dose blocks and are hoping to be cleared to do it.
Why is safety such an issue, is there a possibility the rna could be damaged and make a mutated vaccine?

Oh and from the gov website.
Someone covering their ass here?

Vaccine Damage Payment

A Vaccine Damage Payment is a one-off tax-free payment of £120,000 if you're severely disabled as a result of vaccination against certain diseases - what you'll get, eligibility and applying.

www.gov.uk

 

[Scouse]

Why is safety such an issue, is there a possibility the rna could be damaged and make a mutated vaccine?

Jeesus fucking christ.

 

[Moriath]

Nah. We need to vaccinate as many people as possible.

This is potentially about eradicating the virus. Like we did with smallpox. Massive global vaccination programme.

If we don't go for eradication, then we need to go for herd immunity - and we need about 95% of the population to be vaccinated for that.

Jvt said the virus is always going to be here. He is t talking about irradication