Politics Coronavirus

[dysfunction]

Yes..Ive mentioned that several times, but here we are desperate for a covid vaccine that will be rolled out to everyone and a disease WITH a general vaccine is killing 6X more people and its barely mentioned and only offered to the vulnerable.

It just doesnt add up from any angle.

Where do you get the 6 times more deaths than Covid from?

 

[Scouse]

Where do you get the 6 times more deaths than Covid from?

Yeah. I'd now totally support instant bans on @Job for every time he states figures without providing a source. His form for made-up bullshit means that even if you try to engage in good faith you're starting out from such an idiotic position that interaction with him is often a waste of life.

Coronavirus 'not in top ten' causes of deaths in Wales

Stats show that in July deaths with coronavirus made up 2.7% of all deaths in Wales.

www.bbc.co.uk

Coronavirus killed more people than flu in England last month. So flu not only didn't kill 6x more - but actually "more" wasn't even a thing.

Fuck you and your utter bullshit @Job.

 

[Bodhi]

Flu could be killing more people than coronavirus as deaths lowest since March

Bit disingenious to say it's just flu - it's flu/pneumonia and other viral illnesses.

 

[dysfunction]

Your proof is from the Mirror!

And yes combining multiple viruses is definitely disingenuous...

 

[Bodhi]

Your proof is from the Mirror!

And yes combining multiple viruses is definitely disingenuous...

My proof? No, just showing where Job got the story from.

Although it's not really from the Mirror, but from ONS.

 

[Gwadien]

It's all speculation anyway.

I speculate that the death rate of covid will go through the roof once we have vaccine, because many people won't be able to access it or they're anti-vaxxers.

Time will tell!

 

[dysfunction]

My proof? No, just showing where Job got the story from.

Although it's not really from the Mirror, but from ONS.

Yes and the figures are not being reported properly if you read the notes in the ONS website:

Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics

Provisional counts of the number of deaths registered in England and Wales, including deaths involving the coronavirus pandemic, by age, sex and region.

www.ons.gov.uk

Flu isn’t the underlying cause of death for more people than Covid-19 - Full Fact

Figures from the Office for National Statistics are being widely misunderstood. Flu isn’t the underlying cause of death for more people than Covid-19 at the moment, but pneumonia probably is.

fullfact.org

 

[Yoni]

It's all speculation anyway.

I speculate that the death rate of covid will go through the roof once we have vaccine, because many people won't be able to access it or they're anti-vaxxers.

Time will tell!

I speculate that as long as the over 70s and those who are at risk including multi-generational communities have the vaccine that for everyone else it will be ok. Again you only have to look at the petrie dish of europe to see that this is the case currently.... I thank fuck I live in Sweden even though it means I cannot see my mum currently who is very sick (not covid related).

 

[Moriath]

I speculate that as long as the over 70s and those who are at risk including multi-generational communities have the vaccine that for everyone else it will be ok. Again you only have to look at the petrie dish of europe to see that this is the case currently.... I thank fuck I live in Sweden even though it means I cannot see my mum currently who is very sick (not covid related).

Sorry about yr mum @Yoni. Sounds pretty hollow but if theres anything you need just shout.

 

[Yoni]

No one can do anything - for me to go to the isle of man I have to apply for a certificate of entry which they will only give for compassionate reasons to say good bye or to do the funeral... we are not there yet thank goodness but my siblings could do with a few weeks respite which I could have given them...

 

[Embattle]

Fingers crossed she improves in time.

 

[Job]

one-third of pneumonia cases develop from a respiratory virus, with the flu the most common of those. Even if you've only contracted a mild case of influenza, the infection can severely weaken your immune system

 

[Moriath]

No one can do anything - for me to go to the isle of man I have to apply for a certificate of entry which they will only give for compassionate reasons to say good bye or to do the funeral... we are not there yet thank goodness but my siblings could do with a few weeks respite which I could have given them...

 

[Gwadien]

Coronavirus: Teens' anxiety levels dropped during pandemic, study finds

Researchers found pupils aged 13 and 14 were less anxious during lockdown compared to last year.

www.bbc.co.uk

I'm sure this will be brushed quietly under the carpet.

 

[Scouse]

Coronavirus: Teens' anxiety levels dropped during pandemic, study finds

Researchers found pupils aged 13 and 14 were less anxious during lockdown compared to last year.

www.bbc.co.uk

I'm sure this will be brushed quietly under the carpet.

Work makes people anxious non-shocker.

Unless you're advocating not sending kids to a place to force them to study alongside a load of other kids, many of whom they may not like and have no escape from, then anxiety is simply a fact of life.

It doesn't get any better for most. So either the system needs to change (but we consistently vote Tory) or people need to suck it up and do the job in front of them.

And that includes kids.

 

[Bodhi]

Coronavirus: Teens' anxiety levels dropped during pandemic, study finds

Researchers found pupils aged 13 and 14 were less anxious during lockdown compared to last year.

www.bbc.co.uk

I'm sure this will be brushed quietly under the carpet.

And yet:

Coronavirus: Depression in the UK officially doubled during lockdown

One in five British adults experienced depressive symptoms in June as the country was under lockdown. Prior to the pandemic, fewer than one in ten reported such symptoms.

www.euronews.com

 

[Gwadien]

Work makes people anxious non-shocker.

Unless you're advocating not sending kids to a place to force them to study alongside a load of other kids, many of whom they may not like and have no escape from, then anxiety is simply a fact of life.

It doesn't get any better for most. So either the system needs to change (but we consistently vote Tory) or people need to suck it up and do the job in front of them.

And that includes kids.

No.

School isn't work, that's entirely the point.

It's meant to be an area where kids can learn stuff and enjoy their selves socially.

The idea that school is purely for education is ridiculously Victorian, the reality is that over the past years schools have focused more and more on the education side of school and not about the welfare of kids, combine this with the slashing of social services, it means that we have very depressed and stressed kids in schools.

I know you won't want to accept this as reality because it was never as hard as when you went to school, but it is, speak to old teachers.

But then again with Brexit I wouldn't be surprised if we dismissed mental health in favour of a tally oh! stiff upper lip approach.

 

[Scouse]

No.

School isn't work, that's entirely the point.

It's meant to be an area where kids can learn stuff and enjoy their selves socially.

Maybe in some utopian society (and in some private schools where class sizes are manageable rather than an army of clusterfuck).

Schools are not, and were never meant to be pressure-free zones - and with pressure comes anxiety.

I feel for kids, and refuse to get into the pointless pissing contest of "it's harder now/then", but absolutely school is supposed to prepare you for the post-school reality - and that means preparation for a high-pressure world.

We'd all love it to be a different way. Me very much so - I've been arguing for systemic change for years.

But it ain't.

 

[Bodhi]

UK lockdown was a ‘monumental mistake’ and must not happen again – Boris scientist says

Nice hypothesis, but should never be tried ever again.

 

[Gwadien]

Maybe in some utopian society (and in some private schools where class sizes are manageable rather than an army of clusterfuck).

Schools are not, and were never meant to be pressure-free zones - and with pressure comes anxiety.

I feel for kids, and refuse to get into the pointless pissing contest of "it's harder now/then", but absolutely school is supposed to prepare you for the post-school reality - and that means preparation for a high-pressure world.

We'd all love it to be a different way. Me very much so - I've been arguing for systemic change for years.

But it ain't.

It is a systemic change that needs to happen.

The reason why it's relevant to Covid though is because the Government likes to push this message that it's vitally important everyone gets back to school, but they're not acknowledging the added detriment to kids welfare.

 

[Gwadien]

UK lockdown was a ‘monumental mistake’ and must not happen again – Boris scientist says

Nice hypothesis, but should never be tried ever again.

Boris scientist says, who's bank balance were seriously hurt by lockdown.

Should probably just kill off my nan anyway, she's a massive burden on the public purse anyway

 

[Ormorof]

Just had a corona test man those pokey sticks go deep

 

[dysfunction]

UK lockdown was a ‘monumental mistake’ and must not happen again – Boris scientist says

Nice hypothesis, but should never be tried ever again.

That's the same guy that moved to his remote home to hide away from the infection....

Edinburgh coronavirus advisor ignores advice and self-isolates in holiday home

The Scottish Government coronavirus advisor ignored Nicola Sturgeon's advice to ease pressure on remote islands

www.edinburghlive.co.uk

And he is one of the advisors that he now says is wrong...

 

[Gwadien]

That's the same guy that moved to his remote home to hide away from the infection....

Edinburgh coronavirus advisor ignores advice and self-isolates in holiday home

The Scottish Government coronavirus advisor ignored Nicola Sturgeon's advice to ease pressure on remote islands

www.edinburghlive.co.uk

And he is one of the advisors that he now says is wrong...

It's almost like some people say somethings for political appoval.

 

[Bodhi]

It's almost like some people say somethings for political appoval.

Or maybe they've seen the research that suggests lockdown killed 2 people for every 3 that died from COVID, and they don't want to make the same mistake again?

 

[Gwadien]

Or maybe they've seen the research that suggests lockdown killed 2 people for every 3 that died from COVID, and they don't want to make the same mistake again?

And how can 'research' prove that more wouldn't have died if we didn't have lockdown?

 

[dysfunction]

Or maybe they've seen the research that suggests lockdown killed 2 people for every 3 that died from COVID, and they don't want to make the same mistake again?

Or they are just full of shit

 

[Scouse]

The nob-end's article was full of "I hope", and "maybe" but no hard figures or facts.

He agreed with the lockdown, whilst fucking off to his holiday home for the duration. This guy's opinions should be treated like anyone's who acted that way.

 

[Yoni]

Seriously there is evidence of what happens in a big city if you do not go in to lockdown - you can see Stockholm. If you manage to focus on the elderly and those at risk for the rest of the populus is pretty safe.... I am sorry if you do not like this answer but that is what the statistics are now showing.

As for schools yes it is thought that children spread it but it is not so virulent - again this can be seen in the statistics in Sweden where the schools have stayed open there has been one death and that was a new born with underlying lung conditions - there have been NO deaths here in the 10 - 19 age gap - 11 in the 20-29 / 16 in the 30-39 / 45 in the 40-49 / 162 in the 50 - 59 / 399 in the 60-69 - all the rest are over 70.

For defination : By at risk it should include everyone with a BMI - in Sweden they state higher than the UK for BMI so 35 and include hypertension on top of the rest of the risks.

I understand that the concern is that you do not know if you are at risk - well at least have the basics checked out if you are concerned and not already on a register. The key is to protect these important groups.



I really wish that instead of pitching scientists against each other there is some work to look at the statistics where the world has been a little more open, where people have continued to work at home if it is possible however if not using public transport to get to the office...

 

[dysfunction]

That's great for Sweden but doesn't mean it would have worked for the UK or any of the other many countries that went into lockdown