Politics Coronavirus

[Gwadien]

So they are scrapping Public Health England and creating a new agency:

Hancock defends appointment of Dido Harding to lead new health body – as it happened

Health secretary defends Tory peer’s appointment after speech about axing PHE; Williamson plans to keep role and tries to blame Ofqual for exams mess

www.theguardian.com

Led by the track & trace people?

Because they have a good track record.

I wonder if it's to do with having a public health body who's science agrees with the Government.

 

[Raven]

Geared up to flog off the NHS no doubt.

 

[Gwadien]

Geared up to flog off the NHS no doubt.

Did a lil googling.

Head of track and trace woman; Harding is married to Conservative Party Member of Parliament John Penrose, who sits on the advisory board of think tank 1828 which calls for "the NHS to be replaced by an insurance system and for Public Health England to be scrapped.

No citation but yano.

 

[caLLous]

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see SAGE get rebranded with some snazzy new name either (because, apart from a couple of minor operational tweaks and a slight change of scope, that's all this is). Then the totally transparent and open Tories will turn around and say "look we fixed everything that was wrong, no need for an inquiry, it's not in the public interest lol".

 

[Scouse]

So they are scrapping Public Health England and creating a new agency:

Hancock defends appointment of Dido Harding to lead new health body – as it happened

Health secretary defends Tory peer’s appointment after speech about axing PHE; Williamson plans to keep role and tries to blame Ofqual for exams mess

www.theguardian.com

Scapegoating.

I know a few people who work at PHE - they're all talking about rapid privatisation that's about to hit.

 

[dysfunction]

Scapegoating.

I know a few people who work at PHE - they're all talking about rapid privatisation that's about to hit.

Yes indeed. Another government failure swept under the carpet

 

[Scouse]

Yes indeed. Another government failure swept under the carpet

PHE was a Tory construct too, don't forget.

 

[caLLous]

Dido 'Queen of Carnage' Harding to lead UK's Institute for Health Protection because Test and Trace went so well

Oh, that's right. It was a farce

www.theregister.com

 

[Scouse]

Global report: Australian PM backtracks on plan to make coronavirus vaccine mandatory

Scott Morrison wants 95% uptake of vaccine; New Zealand bolsters quarantine with 500 military personnel; South Korea in record daily rise

www.theguardian.com

Big mistake

 

[Ormorof]

They should read up on nudge theory, making things mandatory (even for good intentions) has a tendency to backfire

 

[Scouse]

They should read up on nudge theory, making things mandatory (even for good intentions) has a tendency to backfire

The scientific community is absolutely against mandatory vaccination as voluntary trust and cooperation is critical. Mandates destroy this.

I see special-needs @Embattle has "funnied" another serious post.

He's really like a shit version of @Job - he's opposed to stuff but can't even articulate his disagreement in an incoherent swivell-eyed loon stylee. At least Job has that going for him.

 

[Ormorof]

The scientific community is absolutely against mandatory vaccination as voluntary trust and cooperation is critical. Mandates destroy this.

I see special-needs @Embattle has "funnied" another serious post.

He's really like a shit version of @Job - he's opposed to stuff but can't even articulate his disagreement in an incoherent swivell-eyed loon stylee. At least Job has that going for him.

I agree, hence the nudge theory comment


making something mandatory uses up a lot of social capital and if it goes wrong massively damages trust in govt

 

[caLLous]

Morrison has clarified/backtracked...

“It is not going to be compulsory to have the vaccine, OK? It’s not compulsory. There are no compulsory vaccines in Australia,” he told Sydney radio station 2GB.
"There will be a lot of encouragement and measures to get as high a rate of acceptance as usual,” he added.

 

[Job]

Well my mums partner has just tested postive again 25 days after first pos test with no symptoms.
He had a mini heart attack yesterday and Im thinking it could be a covid complication.
The hospital thinks not as no fever means no problems to them.
He is 86, so its not that surprising, but Im reading they are thinking that the test can come back positive long after you have shed live virus.

Positive Covid-19 tests kept a mom and baby apart for 55 days. Experts see it as a bigger testing problem

Positive Covid-19 tests kept a mother and baby in Montreal apart for eight weeks. Experts say the case is a sign of a bigger problem with testing.

www.statnews.com

 

[Embattle]

The scientific community is absolutely against mandatory vaccination as voluntary trust and cooperation is critical. Mandates destroy this.

I see special-needs @Embattle has "funnied" another serious post.

He's really like a shit version of @Job - he's opposed to stuff but can't even articulate his disagreement in an incoherent swivell-eyed loon stylee. At least Job has that going for him.

No it is funny because in one post you sound like Job and his imaginary friends list and the other you sound like Trump.

 

[Gwadien]

Well my mums partner has just tested postive again 25 days after first pos test with no symptoms.
He had a mini heart attack yesterday and Im thinking it could be a covid complication.
The hospital thinks not as no fever means no problems to them.
He is 86, so its not that surprising, but Im reading they are thinking that the test can come back positive long after you have shed live virus.

Positive Covid-19 tests kept a mom and baby apart for 55 days. Experts see it as a bigger testing problem

Positive Covid-19 tests kept a mother and baby in Montreal apart for eight weeks. Experts say the case is a sign of a bigger problem with testing.

www.statnews.com

I didn't think you thought it was real?

 

[Job]

Its very real if youre over 80.
So is the flu..cancer...strokes.

 

[Gwadien]

Its very real if youre over 80.
So is the flu..cancer...strokes.

I see, so you're saying that we're all over reacting unless it's a close relative of yours then it's not over reacting.

 

[Gwadien]

Oh and saying its over exaggerated but still getting pissed when non white people break lockdown rules

 

[Job]

I havent said any of that.
Ive said its the same as a bad flu season.

I support social distancing, its pure fact thats how it spreads.

Oldham and blackburn on the blacklist again, no surprise whatsoever.

 

[Gwadien]

I havent said any of that.
Ive said its the same as a bad flu season.

I support social distancing, its pure fact thats how it spreads.

Oldham and blackburn on the blacklist again, no surprise whatsoever.

LOL OK m8.

 

[Job]

I know you fill a lot of gaps in for yourself.

 

[dysfunction]

Ive said its the same as a bad flu season.

And your'e completely wrong about that. Over and over again.

 

[Moriath]

I havent said any of that.
Ive said its the same as a bad flu season.

I support social distancing, its pure fact thats how it spreads.

Oldham and blackburn on the blacklist again, no surprise whatsoever.

It took 100 days for the first 100k deaths. A few days ago the last 100k deaths took 17 days.

so every 2 weeks 100k are dying of it at the moment. And its increasing.

 

[Bodhi]

And your'e completely wrong about that. Over and over again.

Sad thing he isn't - flu seasons of 1999 and 2015 both had comparable death rates to COVID.

Highest number of excess winter deaths since 1999/2000 - Office for National Statistics

www.ons.gov.uk

Probably worse actually, considering there was no lockdown. A lockdown which killed 2 people for every 3 that succumbed to COVID:

Coronavirus: For every three COVID-19 deaths, lockdown may have caused another two

For every three deaths caused by coronavirus, there were another two caused by the impact of the lockdown, a report says.

news.sky.com

Flu and Pneumonia are also killing more people now in the UK - sorry for Wail link, but all backed up by the ONS:

Flu and pneumonia killing six times more people as Covid-19

Latest data from the Office for National Statistics revealed flu and pneumonia killed 1,013 people in England and Wales in the week up to August 7, compared to 152 Covid-19 victims.

www.dailymail.co.uk

COVID isn't flu, as it is a completely different type of virus - however it's effect on mortality isn't that different, COVID just kills more old people.

 

[Yoni]

Sad thing he isn't - flu seasons of 1999 and 2015 both had comparable death rates to COVID.

Highest number of excess winter deaths since 1999/2000 - Office for National Statistics

www.ons.gov.uk

Probably worse actually, considering there was no lockdown. A lockdown which killed 2 people for every 3 that succumbed to COVID:

Coronavirus: For every three COVID-19 deaths, lockdown may have caused another two

For every three deaths caused by coronavirus, there were another two caused by the impact of the lockdown, a report says.

news.sky.com

Flu and Pneumonia are also killing more people now in the UK - sorry for Wail link, but all backed up by the ONS:

Flu and pneumonia killing six times more people as Covid-19

Latest data from the Office for National Statistics revealed flu and pneumonia killed 1,013 people in England and Wales in the week up to August 7, compared to 152 Covid-19 victims.

www.dailymail.co.uk

COVID isn't flu, as it is a completely different type of virus - however it's effect on mortality isn't that different, COVID just kills more old people.

Old and at risk people - this is clear from Sweden where there is no lockdown. Facts still remain however that majority of deaths have occured in 70+ group. What I really think you choose to forget is population density and state of a countries health service which means that th results in countries like UK / US / NL / BE / FR / SP / IT the lockdown was necessary to prevent even more deaths that they have had - there are still missing deaths also that are unaccounted for in countries numbers - at the end of July there was 162k addtional deaths world wide - the countries mentioned are all high on list by the way (New York Times).

Experience

experience.arcgis.com

 

[Scouse]

Well my mums partner has just tested postive again 25 days after first pos test with no symptoms.
He had a mini heart attack yesterday and Im thinking it could be a covid complication.
The hospital thinks not as no fever means no problems to them.
He is 86, so its not that surprising, but Im reading they are thinking that the test can come back positive long after you have shed live virus.

Positive Covid-19 tests kept a mom and baby apart for 55 days. Experts see it as a bigger testing problem

Positive Covid-19 tests kept a mother and baby in Montreal apart for eight weeks. Experts say the case is a sign of a bigger problem with testing.

www.statnews.com

Sorry to hear that dude.

 

[Scouse]

No it is funny because in one post you sound like Job and his imaginary friends list and the other you sound like Trump.

Still no real explanation I see.

My (25 year old) degree was environmentally related so it's hardly surprising that I'd now know people in senior positions in environmental fields of government and business is it?

So have a big "fuck you" for implying I ever make shit up to win arguments on the internet (especially against people who can't provide their own actual argument).

If that reads as condescending, it's supposed to.

 

[Gwadien]

It's a bit concerning that Covid is turning into 'lynch your local paedo'.

:|

 

[Yoni]

oO? Reference?