Politics Coronavirus

[DaGaffer]

How have federal unions fared?

I know you cannot blame the EU but look at America, look at France, Italy and Spain. It is not really that hard is it?

Neither France, Italy or Spain are Federal states. They are all constitutionally unitary states. That is literally why Catalonia can't just leave. I'll tell you somewhere that is a federal state; Germany. And Canada, and Australia. But I guess they don't fit the narrative.

 

[Deebs]

Neither France, Italy or Spain are Federal states. They are all constitutionally unitary states. That is literally why Catalonia can't just leave. I'll tell you somewhere that is a federal state; Germany. And Canada, and Australia. But I guess they don't fit the narrative.

Where is the EU heading? More and more to a federal system.

 

[Job]

Welcome back @Job.

How's the bikin' been?

View: https://vimeo.com/411696328

 

[Yoni]

Missing Deaths updated:

36,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus Crisis

 

[DaGaffer]

Where is the EU heading? More and more to a federal system.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Couple of the nearest hospitals to us have closed down their CV ICU wards because they have no new cases. They've also closed down the temporary morgue in an ice rink in Madrid.
Looks like Spain will unlock regionally with the areas that have been having low figures first. That's us

 

[Embattle]

Although good news I would naturally caution most countries will end up with more waves, hopefully far enough from the first that countries can try and recover and put themselves in a better position before it hits.

 

[Job]

So..I presume the popular health advisor has now achieved god like status....saving the economy and not destroying the mental health of the country while condeming 100'000s to early deaths by pretty well halting other treatment.

 

[Embattle]

Again you lack considerable understanding on Covid-19, although you've proved that pre-ban.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Although good news I would naturally caution most countries will end up with more waves, hopefully far enough from the first that countries can try and recover and put themselves in a better position before it hits.

Mid May will be the earliest anything will change, lockdown has already been extended to then. The government are very nervous but some of the peeps are getting a bit antsy.
Even when we are "fully" open there will still be restrictions, half empty restaurants, only so many allowed on a beach etc. Its probably going to be months though before we even get to that stage.

 

[caLLous]

Again you lack considerable understanding on Covid-19, although you've proved that pre-ban.

He chooses to lack understanding, it's all just an act because he's a troll and it gives him a tingle in his magic place when he winds people up on the internet. We all realised it long ago but him not being here and then carrying on as if nothing happened when he was unbanned has really highlighted it.

 

[Embattle]

Mid May will be the earliest anything will change, lockdown has already been extended to then. The government are very nervous but some of the peeps are getting a bit antsy.
Even when we are "fully" open there will still be restrictions, half empty restaurants, only so many allowed on a beach etc. Its probably going to be months though before we even get to that stage.

Well places where social distancing is fairly impossible probably won't be able to open for a long while, I still think the problem governments have is shown in those who ignore the current restrictions let alone getting the message across to the dumb asses of the world that just because they ease the restrictions a bit doesn't mean you can party like it is 2019.

He chooses to lack understanding, it's all just an act because he's a troll and it gives him a tingle in his magic place when he winds people up on the internet. We all realised it long ago but him not being here and then carrying on as if nothing happened when he was unbanned has really highlighted it.

I normally just ignore him mentally knowing the crap he puts out, but need to get the odd first one in early before I do so again.

 

[Yoni]

is it back? I have it on ignore..

 

[~Yuckfou~]

is it back? I have it on ignore..

I understand why, but does that not make threads disjointed and hard to follow. "Back in the day" I used to ignore peeps but it made

 

[Job]

Again you lack considerable understanding on Covid-19, although you've proved that pre-ban.

All you ever say.
You dont understand
Its a freakin graph

 

[~Yuckfou~]

I understand why, but does that not make threads disjointed and hard to follow. "Back in the day" I used to ignore peeps but it made

Don't know what happened there, to continue..

... threads difficult to follow.

 

[Scouse]

All you ever say.
You dont understand
Its a freakin graph

Data has to be put into context. Something you're not very good at.

Stick to biking vids eh? Good choice of music for your first song. Then trust what the experts are telling you for the rest.

 

[Job]

Thete is no 'context' for that graph and you know it.

Swedens approach regardless of geographical differences should have played out vastly different...but it didnt and that inescapable fact is going to come out and bite our approach in the ass.


That first song is my mates band The Reads...I drunkingly posted them a while back.
Good Welsh band , you should support them boyo

 

[Job]

So the Government advisors Nervtag admit the 2m rule is just made up.


Is there any science behind two-metre social distancing rule…? Government adviser says not - Sound Health and Lasting Wealth

 

[Scouse]

Thete is no 'context' for that graph and you know it.

A number of factors jump immediately to mind which mean drawing such simplistic parallels is a major mistake (at best).

However, if none of them naturally occur to you (i.e. you're not just trolling) then that's just another example of why you should leave this stuff to the experts.

 

[Scouse]

So the Government advisors Nervtag admit the 2m rule is just made up.

Sensible rule though no?

Lets face it - we've not got actual science for a lot of things - you have to come up with a hypothesis then fund and carry out the research, so the fact that we actually have science around 1m distancing is pretty good really.

The question was probably asked when making public policy - "what about 2m?" - at which point the answer was clearly "we don't know, but it seems pragmatic to be cautious".

Given the fact that we know the virus can latch onto dust and travel about on that, a 2m exclusion zone for humans seems like an eminently sensible recommendation - one that the public can easily understand and obey.

Solid public policy making, guided by science. Well done tbpfh.

 

[Scouse]

Good Welsh band , you should support them boyo

There's an old lady here who seems to be getting increasingly riled that I've not learned Welsh yet.

The fact that when she says "goodbye" to me in Welsh I barely can make out the syllables doesn't seem to occur to her. I'm way more concerned that we've got antsy sheep, one of which has taken a dislike to the back of my car

Anyway. Support music you think is good, not just because it's "local". (Although, supporting local music venues is always a thing for me - because if you don't support them they close down).

 

[~Yuckfou~]

I'm way more concerned that we've got antsy sheep, one of which has taken a dislike to the back of my car

Lunch tbh.

 

[Scouse]

Lunch tbh.

Not my sheep otherwise I'd already be tucking in to the fucker.

 

[MYstIC G]

Yeh starting with all the Procurement Managers in the NHS Trusts around the UK.

Why, because on a regular day they have to deal with a particular area and now it's expected that just scales to a national level without issue.

 

[Job]

A number of factors jump immediately to mind which mean drawing such simplistic parallels is a major mistake (at best).

However, if none of them naturally occur to you (i.e. you're not just trolling) then that's just another example of why you should leave this stuff to the experts.

I dont think any factor you can think of warrants disregarding that graph.
When you throw in the mix that the Oxford centre for evidence based medicine has backed Swedens approach, its chipping away at full...economy/healthcare meltdown lockdowns.

Their site is excellent by the way...no nonsense evidence , conclusions and opinions.

Oxford COVID-19 Evidence Service - CEBM

 

[Scouse]

I dont think any factor you can think of warrants disregarding that graph.

Job. Sorry m8 but you're just not prepared for this work!

I'm not disregarding that graph. I would just interpret it's meaning and what we can infer from it in a vastly different way that you would - and probably in a vastly different way to people who've spent entire careers understanding this sort of information.

Think about it - if very intelligent people spending every day of their working life on this, it's what they say, not what you or I think, that matters.

 

[Job]

The damage done to Europe is immeasurable, the EU is teetering on disaster, millions have delayed visiting doctors, mental health work has been reduced to zero for most.
Europe has borrowed trillions and the north dont want to help the south.
Unrecoverable divisions have shown their hand.

All to slightly extend the lives of very old and the sick.

I think we forgot how afraid we are of death

 

[Scouse]

Yawn. Still banging on about a club we've left I see.

You'd think you'd be more interested in whether Athletico vs Liverpool was part of how coronavirus hit liverpool hard. But no. More interested in stuff that doesn't affect you.

 

[Job]

Job. Sorry m8 but you're just not prepared for this work!

I'm not disregarding that graph. I would just interpret it's meaning and what we can infer from it in a vastly different way that you would - and probably in a vastly different way to people who've spent entire careers understanding this sort of information.

Think about it - if very intelligent people spending every day of their working life on this, it's what they say, not what you or I think, that matters.

Well what do you think the factors,are and why are you so convinced that its doesnt represent the reality.
Our own experts started down the same route...the experts at that institute said they lost their nerve.

If we had stuck with hand washing and social distancing the economy would still exist..100's of thousands if deaths would be avoided over the next few years ..decades of austerity, crime, depression, social unrest.

Its a fucking disaster which the Swedes have avoided.