Congratulations to Albion!

[nuky]

Fensalir was captured before Mids RRed Hib. Mids are lazy and didn't take it back. We took other keeps, Mids didn't respond. "so, turn it into a relic raid?" Own fault you lost your relics. If you had responded to the keeptakes we would have stayed and farm RPs.
Remi whine, i liek it

agreed, we did the same thing when the albs ran rampant in our froniter several months ago and lost the str relics.

 

[Poag]

probably the same as when the server bombs out and u get to keep the relics.

yes the servers are shitty, but there is nothing we can do about it, but saying it has only ever helped mids is just silly.

err did u read my post? like where i said the alb frontier server had boombed whilst mids were rring? ok i didn't say it directly helped the albs but that was the result

[edit]
sorry that sounded alot more..err..offensive?...than i intended it to be.

I was tryign to say that albs had had the 'bonus' i guess of servers crashing whilst mids were rring..my point was that the numbers of the mid-on-alb...and the alb-on-mid were vastly different and both ended with the same effect [a crashed server]

 

[Necroscope]

Fensalir was captured before Mids RRed Hib. Mids are lazy and didn't take it back. We took other keeps, Mids didn't respond. "so, turn it into a relic raid?" Own fault you lost your relics. If you had responded to the keeptakes we would have stayed and farm RPs.
Remi whine, i liek it

Mids took back fens after the hib RR tho , after 00:10 CET Hibs started to take mid keeps

 

[Carnalito]

Hehemidgotboned!1

 

[nuky]

err did u read my post? like where i said the alb frontier server had boombed whilst mids were rring? ok i didn't say it directly helped the albs but that was the result

i am talking about when albs were relic raiding mids.

hibs raided us, server crashed, they got relics taken off them

albs raided us, server crashed, they got to keep relics

then albs relic raid at like 11:30am or somethin silly on a weekday, afair the login server bombs out and they still get to keep the relics.

 

[Ilum]

Less whining tbh. There wasn't any cooperation between Mids / Albs to take the relics. Hibs took the relics fair and square. Mids tried defending but failed horribly. Go look up the thread after Hibs took the first power relic - no moaning then. But of course when you lose your precious str relics you start throwing accusations and reporting to GoA for stuff that happened.

And what exactly happened?
- Hibs owned Mids, never seen such domination on a relic raid before. Done by the smallest realm. Grats tbh.
- The raid started primetime and lasted during the night. You cant really complain - when you're unable to fend off the Hibs while its still primetime and the rest of the relics lies for the taking, can you expect them to go to bed and try again next day?
- Albs knew of course what was happening. I went to str relic with my friends minstrel (Galad) where I saw Hibs taking the doors down. Was gonna try get in and grab a relic with sos and steal it, but a Hib killed me
- Then I came back with another minstrel, by now Corranhorn had tried to do what I did, and actually managed to make the Alb relic neutral so Hibs could pick it up before he died. Didnt realize this until I was well underway to Mjollnir to try again. This time playing Ilum, having Farrell and Baldrian with me.
- When I did realize Hibs had the Alb relic we tried going for hpk Odins as soon as possible to snatch our relic from Hibs. About time as we zoned into Odin's gate Corranhorn told us hibs had left the relic at APK. So obviously they wanted us to have it.
- We made it to HPK, no sign of the relic carrier which was Aran. Met a bard and chanter at HPK, emoted to them, got the signal to follow. So I assumed they maybe had another present for us, which they did. He took us to Glacier Giant, where we met a party of fluffy Luri's and Celts, and Scabbard of Excalibur (or whatever it's called) lying on the ground
- Took the relic home. Hibs by now had left Mid frontier. Doors were still down, and Mids had no keeps, so the relic guards were really gimped. Went with 2FG and took the last relic.

That's basically what happened from my point of view. Don't see anything wrong with it tbh. Neither can you if you use your heads. Of course, you can try making a point to GoA hoping they're thick and will do some rollback, but to be fair, I don't think they are that thick.

Hostile alliances are a natural thing of war, can quote Winston Churchill who said during the first world war that to defeat the Nazis, he was willing to ally himself with the devil. Which was a comment about UK's alliance with USSR.

 

[Necroscope]

- The raid started primetime and lasted during the night. You cant really

Since when is after midnight primetime?

 

[SoulFly]

Since when is after midnight primetime?

Since /who is fuckloads on all servers?

 

[Saggy]

So you mean if say Sweden came with forces everyday to your country and killed loads of your ppl for no reason you wouldn't grow hating them? Im kinda sure you would.

I sort of hate Russians for attacking my country ~60-years ago (No, I wasn't born by then ) so yeah, I would probably hate Swedes if your country attacks mine. Does this mean I wouldn't help Sweden to defeat Russian (who would be in war with your and my country) for example? Hell no. Do I know people who dont hate and never hated Russians (people who were in the war) ? Yes, I know lots and lots of them. Oh, my country was in war against both Russian (and England ) and Germany and yet Germans helped us by giving supplies (ammo, weapons, booze etc). Oh, I didn't kill Hibs/Mids/Albs for no reason, I was trying to find the Mug-of-everlasting-beer

No I was in all those 3 events and stood there beeing friendly. I tho for one doesn't think that has anything to do with roleplay. Killing eachother one day, beeing friends the next and then minutes after hacking on eachother again. If someone come up with a good reason for that I might change my mind but I for one can't think of a thing to make that a good roleplay session.

Well, point being here:

Usually Elf and Men ain't enemies, nor in war so normally it wouldn't be a problem. But in DAoC case this ain't so. Hiberna and Albion are in war and kill eachothers ppl every day. If you really wanna roleplay you can't just team up with your enemy one day and go beat up another enemy.

Its history what connects this to roleplaying - you were in war with 2 realms while helping each others at the same time once, surely you can do similar stuff again. And no, you dont have to have this history to team up with enemy realm.

 

[Tareregion]

- We made it to HPK, no sign of the relic carrier which was Aran. Met a bard and chanter at HPK, emoted to them, got the signal to follow. So I assumed they maybe had another present for us, which they did. He took us to Glacier Giant, where we met a party of fluffy Luri's and Celts, and Scabbard of Excalibur (or whatever it's called) lying on the ground

FU i´m an elph But listen to what the man says, cos he's right ^^

 

[Pudzy]

Anyway this is the normal albion rat bullshit, was kinda a non signed agreement not to do raids at stupid times like this. Have fun holding on to them.

Stupid times like the release period of ToA? :x

 

[snoz]

Give rollback !

 

[Necroscope]

Since /who is fuckloads on all servers?

Must have been fuckloads with albs and hibs then

 

[Dilanta]

Fensalir was captured before Mids RRed Hib. Mids are lazy and didn't take it back. We took other keeps, Mids didn't respond. "so, turn it into a relic raid?" Own fault you lost your relics. If you had responded to the keeptakes we would have stayed and farm RPs.
Remi whine, i liek it

Half our group got offline after RR, but the other half got back and retook Fens with the remainings of the RR-raiders. I even jumped into the group claiming Fens, since they'd also lost about half their group.
At that point, rest of group logged as well - it was really getting pretty late. =)
It was a fun evening - and I bet those who were playing later on in the night had a hilarious time.

---
Dilantavig - shieldsavage
Bulle af Fetstryk

 

[Ilum]

Since when is after midnight primetime?

00:00:03]
- »Hibernia«'s keep "Fensalir Faste" is now claimed by »Ascending Dawn«
- »Danish Huscarls« lose the control over "Fensalir Faste"
- »Hibernia« conquered the keep "Fensalir Faste" from »Midgard«

Unless Hibs set a world record in keeptake, it started before midnight :] And anyways, if you looked at server statistics you'd see than past midnight is still a very busy time until about 1-2 am. Cant find them atm tho so cant post them, but thats the way it is. Also, midnight UK = 22-23 for others.

 

[Necroscope]

00:00:03]
- »Hibernia«'s keep "Fensalir Faste" is now claimed by »Ascending Dawn«
- »Danish Huscarls« lose the control over "Fensalir Faste"
- »Hibernia« conquered the keep "Fensalir Faste" from »Midgard«

Unless Hibs set a world record in keeptake, it started before midnight :] And anyways, if you looked at server statistics you'd see than past midnight is still a very busy time until about 1-2 am. Cant find them atm tho so cant post them, but thats the way it is.

Fun that albs try to justify hibs NON primetime raid

 

[Silverhawk]

onto another point..i wonder if the 'maintenance' yesterday has fixed the crashing of mid frontier, thus how hibs managed to do it without crashing...now thats something i would like to know.

-Gale

isn't Hibernia the magical realm?

 

[Rustan]

Don't see anything wrong with it tbh. Neither can you if you use your heads.

No theres nothing wrong with taking relics when all the defenders are asleep, but does it make you feel proud ? .. it must have been like playing a non orpg.
Now stop whining please and go defend .. I really hope this makes the mindless emain rp farming go away so we can have some real wars instead.

 

[Poag]

Since when is after midnight primetime?

mids rr'd at about 8:30 ish?? hibs take 30s to clear the rk..repair doors...port to odin [say about 9:15pm about now] they go to fens thats still prime time...and i missed it for a UT match :<

[edit] op i stand corrected fens fell at 00:00:13 [13 seconds past midnight]...thats the fastest keep take in history!

 

[Beeper]

I've spoken to someone at goa about this and info has been passed on to server gm's. whether this is against COC etc we will have to see, but atleast they looking at it.

As a mid i feel rather cheated after all the hard work we did to get the relics, without any external help.

LOL what a winner you are Snoz and if having a zone that crashes every time more than 50 people are in it doesn't constitute an unfair advantage then I don't know what does....

As the old saying goes: All is fair in love and war...

 

[Zebolt]

Well, point being here:

Hiberna and Albion are in war and kill eachothers ppl every day. If you really wanna roleplay you can't just team up with your enemy one day and go beat up another enemy. Thats not how ppl would do and nor would you if you were in that situation if you think about it a bit more.

Its history what connects this to roleplaying - you were in war with 2 realms while helping each others at the same time once, surely you can do similar stuff again. And no, you dont have to have this history to team up with enemy realm.

Sorry, can you evolve that a little? I don't see your point as me saying both events were not roleplay (IMO)

 

[nuky]

00:00:03]
midnight UK = 22-23 for others.

midnight UK is actually 1:00am - 2:00am for what i would guess is the majority of the players on the server

(mainland Europe being 1 - 2 hours ahead of us)

 

[SoulFly]

midnight UK is actually 1:00am - 2:00am for what i would guess is the majority of the players on the server

(mainland Europe being 1 - 2 hours ahead of us)

sweden +1
finland +2

:O

 

[Poag]

i am talking about when albs were relic raiding mids.

hibs raided us, server crashed, they got relics taken off them

albs raided us, server crashed, they got to keep relics

then albs relic raid at like 11:30am or somethin silly on a weekday, afair the login server bombs out and they still get to keep the relics.

sorry,

i edited my post to get accross the point i really wanted to make.


another question tho, is a server bomb, by this i mean the actual zone server crash everyone ingame bombs, the same as a login server bomb, new people cannot login, in my mind very different...

i could go on to say that there wouldn't be that many people logging in unless there was some kind of extra game communication going on...but i won't....woops

 

[Ormorof]

LOL what a winner you are Snoz and if having a zone that crashes every time more than 50 people are in it doesn't constitute an unfair advantage then I don't know what does....

As the old saying goes: All is fair in love and war...

the difference is mid have no control over whether zone crashes or not, you had control of your own actions

both things that happened suck but its a game and we'll get relics back home one day

 

[nuky]

sweden +1

well that alone is like 50% of the server population

 

[Rustan]

its a game and we'll get relics back home one day

Sounds so distant when you say it like that ..

 

[Zebolt]

we r00k

 

[Ormorof]

Sounds so distant when you say it like that ..

well im not the sort of person that gets informed about relic raids before it gets announced on /as

 

[Oro]

For those that weren't paying attention:

Mids kickstarted the whole thing by a) taking relic from Hibs and b) a Mid gloating about it.

Hibs ended up raiding Mids for the rest of the evening (after completing an ML) and got back the power relic that Mids took then went hogwild and started attacking Mjol... and not enough Mids went to defend. Its really as simple as that.

Albs went to the frontier to try and intercept the Hibs - I know because I was relaying info between some peeps to try and keep people up to speed on where Albs were at. Yes it was quite late at night by this point but it wasn't as if it was a sudden attack - Hibs had been picking away at Mids for hours by this then, just Mids weren't really responding much.

An Alb got into Mjol and managed to get the Alb str relic but got twatted on the way out and to be honest the Albs hitting the frontier STILL at that point intended to intercept relics if possible, there was no collaberation that I was aware of. Naturally I have no way of knowing if someone decided to chat on MSN or IRC etc and do things but the ALbs *I* spoke to had nothing to do with any cross realming and were a bit bemused when the Hibbies gave 2 relics to us. Though it was the Hibby raid that enabled it, as far as I'm aware, Albs got the Mid Str relic by selves.

Deeply ironic for Albs to have piggybacked something Hibs done when usually its the Hibs that are the server piggybackers. I'm still impressed with the Hib thinking last night though and no, not because I got something out of it - I'll still hit for wetsock damage its just a slightly wetter sock now.

From the Alb point of view, it wasn't really a satisfying gain. Got relics, but... not in a way that we would really have liked. However, the play from the Hibs was a scream. I know I'm gaining from what happened last night and some may just see it as something that suits me along with other Albs but really, Hibs had nothing to gain from getting str relics, anybody can see that.

And before anyone goes too far accusing Albs and Hibs of cosying up, this won't stop us from attacking Hib RKs in future. We are fully aware this was done mainly to discomfit Mids and had nothing to do with being nice to Albs

However, being practical... we got something we wanted and nobody is going to turn that down

I won't patronise anyone by saying "Bad luck Mids" etc... we got something nice out of it and it might be mistaken as gloating.