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[Elkie]

was going to read this but just realised people are writeing a bibles worth, and yawn about these pointless threads

 

[Labello]

Will you guys ever learn, that you are guests in this place and that the people who´re running FH (and that´s not the mods) are free to create whatever rule they want and if you don´t like those rules, you´re free to go somewhere else, make your own board, join another board or whatever!?
You are currently on the legal property of someone else. This forum is NOT an official forum for every DAOC player, it´s not hosted by the guys who´re running the game and it´s not a certainty that you´re welcome here, it´s something we should appreciate.

Yes i think it's nice of them to create this forum, and i glad for it. (read more futher down)

You´re free to whine as often as you want. Just not here. Nobody is stiopping you from grabbing an orange box, bring it to your local park, step up and tell everybody how you´re feeling.

OK... ty for the information, was verry nice.

Yes.. because this place isn´t YOUR place! The rules are made by the people who own this place. Just like you wouldn´t want a foreigner wandering into your living room, rearranging your furniture.

Not the same thing
FH whant to have ppl at there forums.
We need them and they need us, otherwise it woudn't be a active forum.
And btw, why do you think i only mean FH rules? i mean all rules.

What´s "our own rules"? Where can I read them?

Every 1 can make a rule, whatever it's writen down ore not.
I like to play my ns like a fair player, so i follow fair player rules.
Nothing you can read about at FH any more as meny ppl seams to whan't to destroy it.

 

[Olly]

Far more interseting ones unlike the constant spam of "omfg0z0r you adding twat" etc.

But Andy, you love whineposts about yourself..

<3!

 

[Meduza]

lol....

you got the wrong leg out of the bed first today ??


btw i dont know anything about the other thread, just think this is silly from Jupitus. " Any more arguments about this will result in bans. Final word"

take it easy......

Agreed lol!

it actually made me laugh that jupitus post.... "final word"... uhhh uhhhhhh

my god! only kids of age 10 would post that - come on!

then again, we all sometimes get our leg out wrong from time to time... so we will of cause forgive and forget

still, gave me a smile just a few hours before i go on vacation

PS. Is Tears (the mod) the same as Tears in Mid/excal? (the gurl, i used to cyber with?? she used to be so nice... )

EDIT: Doh, this post had 3 pages... Only read the 1st one! WAKE UP!

 

[Meduza]

Busted :<

*Gets tears drunk and videos him dancing to YMCA with passion as proof*

Its a "him" ?? argghhhh!!!!

 

[daoc_xianghua]

daocwhineuncut.com

give dat imo, i miss the old days on BW. yes 8/10 threads where pure useless whine but sometimes it was very entertaining to read xD

 

[Glacier]

Edit : I couldnt give two hoots if any RvR group joins in on my fight, or my group leader says to move on and leave them. Its been said in numerous other forums and threads here that that both play styles are fine and in line with the rules of the game. What is starting to piss me off is the constant "add whine" in every bloody thread.

So because YOU dont give a hoots about it means we are not allowed to discuss it?

We whine about adds because the majority of players, enjoy a good old 8v8 without having to be interrupted, if we do get addwe feel the need to whine about it, the opposition may even listen to it and stop.

This is a forum, for discussing ingame events, feelings, happenings, etc.

And if it dosent fit the 'feelings' of the mods it gets closed? can't say that's too mature tbh.

If you want to close the threads people are getting tired off, almost everything apart from offtopic should be closed, because; this game only offers 'so' much, same things happens, repeadetly, people repeat the whine, or rant or whatever, over and over, deal with it.

Yes you have the power to close if you want, or feel like it, but is it against the rules to let off ingame-frustration in a public forum?..

 

[eggy]

This is a forum, for discussing ingame events, feelings, happenings, etc.

Correct. It's not a place for personal insults, whining, dictating how people should play the game. Discussions are fine and perfectly acceptable. "omfg you adding c*nt of a guild" isn't.

And if it dosent fit the 'feelings' of the mods it gets closed? can't say that's too mature tbh.

No, if it becomes abusive or turns into complete flame, it is shut.

Yes you have the power to close if you want, or feel like it, but is it against the rules to let off ingame-frustration in a public forum?..

When that "ingame-frustration" is direct/personal abuse and/or death threats; yes, it is against the rules.

 

[Glacier]

And in reply to the 'It's THEIR place [Mods], Not ours'?

Well, this place wouldnt be shit without whines, and the people who whine.

Without it this would be just another backlicking contest.

The players make the forums, without us, they are nothing.

 

[daoc_xianghua]

Guys, it's a beautiful Friday afternoon.

Leave off the insults and enjoy the weekend without flaming each other.

Spread the love.

its hot as fuck and raining and for sure as hell not a beatyfull friday afternoon here t.t

ow and apart from that i´m stuck at work :c

 

[Alan]

So because YOU dont give a hoots about it means we are not allowed to discuss it?

We whine about adds because the majority of players, enjoy a good old 8v8 without having to be interrupted, if we do get addwe feel the need to whine about it, the opposition may even listen to it and stop.

This is a forum, for discussing ingame events, feelings, happenings, etc.

And if it dosent fit the 'feelings' of the mods it gets closed? can't say that's too mature tbh.

If you want to close the threads people are getting tired off, almost everything apart from offtopic should be closed, because; this game only offers 'so' much, same things happens, repeadetly, people repeat the whine, or rant or whatever, over and over, deal with it.

Yes you have the power to close if you want, or feel like it, but is it against the rules to let off ingame-frustration in a public forum?..

If your going to quote me - do it properly !

You HAVE been discussing it - OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER again, the amount of threads that just spew out add whine followed by pages and pages of arguments on whether people should add or not is insane.

Every other thread eventually turns onto the subject of add whine.

Enough already.

 

[Glacier]

Eggy's above post.

Allright, true. Not really sure wich thread this is about, just got the impression that some standard whine thread was closed, due to a mod being tired of whining.

-Edit: Something the Tears above post helped prove my point ^_^.

Ohwell, you guys are in charge i guess, have fun. /cheers

 

[eggy]

its hot as fuck and raining and for sure as hell not a beatyfull friday afternoon here t.t

ow and apart from that i´m stuck at work :c

I posted that a week ago

 

[eggy]

Allright, true. Not really sure wich thread this is about, just got the impression that some standard whine thread was closed, due to a mod being tired of whining.

-Edit: Something the Tears above post helped prove my point ^_^.

Ohwell, you guys are in charge i guess, have fun. /cheers

Prime example of why mods are flamed:

I edited a topic last week sometime that had been posted in Swedish/Danish (no idea). I was then called a "Nazi" by the poster. Now, I don't know what you think deep down, but being labelled a racist or an anti-Semitic on a gaming forum for editing a post against the rules of the discussion board is simply not on.

Extremely leniently, I gave a small warning, and was then whined at via PM by the poster.

After asking other mods for their opinion, penalties given ranged from a 3 day ban to permanent.

You can't make everyone happy, you can only do the best job. Insults and personal attacks will simply not be tolerated. This is a GAME, not a career.

 

[Alan]

Allright, true. Not really sure wich thread this is about, just got the impression that some standard whine thread was closed, due to a mod being tired of whining.

-Edit: Something the Tears above post helped prove my point ^_^.

Ohwell, you guys are in charge i guess, have fun. /cheers

Add on my fight whinage.

Another annoying trend. The rules have nothing whatsoever that says a solo player cannot attack an enemy of his/her realm, so get over it. Threads of this nature will be closed without warning.

Discussion is fine, but turning every other thread into a full blown war on how people play the game is pathetic.

 

[Olly]

But, isnt it us, as users, that keep this forum going after all?
I mean, without us, the whiners, namecalling bastards spewin shit over everyone, the forum wouldnt be at all?

As i got this, its just this dark age of camelot section, that is interesting here. Seeing as the posts in the numbers of posts in other sections is nothing compared to the posts in daoc-section.

I dont think the whinethreads is keeping people away from this forum.
I think it is immaturity, and the fact that you really just cant post anything that sooner or later will upset the mods here, which only give you to a ban, or some other kind of punishment.
And, of course, the "subscribers" will fall as daoc population is going down aswell.

Well, im not saying it IS like this, but i just got the impression. Might be my bad english and so that gives me this crooked point of view. Hell, i dunno

 

[daoc_xianghua]

I posted that a week ago

Oo lolz xD nerf me beeing slow^^

well last friday was exact same shit just without rain and even more hotness :|

 

[eggy]

But, isnt it us, as users, that keep this forum going after all?
I mean, without us, the whiners, namecalling bastards spewin shit over everyone, the forum wouldnt be at all?

It would be a far nicer place, the population of the forum would probably increase (I know for a fact a large number of people don't visit this forum due to the whining and flaming).

you really just cant post anything that sooner or later will upset the mods here, which only give you to a ban, or some other kind of punishment.

Completely untrue. As we say, discussion is absolutely 100% fine and we reinforce this. Let's look at how a typical "discussion" tends to go on the forums (leading to a lock)...

Topic: Adding - why do you do it?
Reply 1-10: We add because it's an mmporpg. We don't add at all, we prefer fg fights. We add because we don't have buffbots...
Reply 11-20: You add because you're in <guild> and you have no skill. Adders are lamers. You should respect the people who don't add.
Reply 21-30: Why should we respect them? They choose not to add fair enough, there is no rule against it. Defense posts backing up <guild>.
Reply 31-40: "You fucking retards" learn to play. You are skillless noobs. "I hope you die."
<Posts deleted, people warned>
Reply 41-49: <People continue to whine/flame/throw personal insults>
<Thread closed>
<Mods whined at by the flamers>

Cut out the flaming and personal attacks, continue the discussion in a mature and civilised manner (accepting, although not necessarily agreeing with people's views) and thread wouldn't be closed.

 

[Olly]

It might be like that, and yeah it would be a better place for everyone without all this whining stuff.
The emamples you picked there is worth locking, banning and such, but ordinary whine is not. I know alot of people just cant wait having a whinepost, 100% just for them!

So i guess its all about finding that rare "middle-zone".

So comon chaps, lets just behave! Love for everyone!


Edit: Examples.

 

[Gilbride]

TBH, I'm not really sure I agree. Obviously, the rules are the rules, and as a poster, you'll simply have to abide by them, whether you like 'em or not, else face the consequences. However that doesn't mean you can't argue about the rules, and ultimately have 'em changed, and I guess that's what we're trying to do here.

Myself, I don't feel that certain posts in certain topics are worth removing or banning for due to whatever personal attack, since it's a forum, things are topic'ed, if, for example, you know alot of people who don't come here because of the flaming and whining, eggy, then those people just don't know how to handle a forum. There's no rule that declares that you have to read every single topic! It's quite simple to stay away from posts you think are taking a wrong turn and out of line from what you yourself prefer to discuss('you' being used in a general sense, not directed at eggy specifically). O'course I agree that some things deserve to be moderated, there's a reason forums have moderators, but general personal attacks that aren't completely out of line are IMO completely fine, and in keeping with the general competitive spirit of a player vs player-based forum. This is, as has been mentioned several times over, after all an RvR-section.

 

[eggy]

TBH, I'm not really sure I agree. Obviously, the rules are the rules, and as a poster, you'll simply have to abide by them, whether you like 'em or not, else face the consequences. However that doesn't mean you can't argue about the rules, and ultimately have 'em changed, and I guess that's what we're trying to do here.

Myself, I don't feel that certain posts in certain topics are worth removing or banning for due to whatever personal attack, since it's a forum, things are topic'ed, if, for example, you know alot of people who don't come here because of the flaming and whining, eggy, then those people just don't know how to handle a forum. There's no rule that declares that you have to read every single topic! It's quite simple to stay away from posts you think are taking a wrong turn and out of line from what you yourself prefer to discuss('you' being used in a general sense, not directed at eggy specifically). O'course I agree that some things deserve to be moderated, there's a reason forums have moderators, but general personal attacks that aren't completely out of line are IMO completely fine, and in keeping with the general competitive spirit of a player vs player-based forum. This is, as has been mentioned several times over, after all an RvR-section.

Threads are only closed when things get out of hand. Do not forget, what you see on FH isn't what the moderator sees.

i.e. you only see posts that have been kept; you don't see the endless pages of spam that has been deleted by the various mods. When topics are closed, some of the content will be deleted (usually the last posts which incite hatred or personal attacks).

Competitive spirit is great and that's to be encouraged; but behind the scenes lies a small proportion of people who flame and attack people on personal levels that spoil it for the rest.

 

[Gilbride]

Threads are only closed when things get out of hand. Do not forget, what you see on FH isn't what the moderator sees.

i.e. you only see posts that have been kept; you don't see the endless pages of spam that has been deleted by the various mods. When topics are closed, some of the content will be deleted (usually the last posts which incite hatred or personal attacks).

Competitive spirit is great and that's to be encouraged; but behind the scenes lies a small proportion of people who flame and attack people on personal levels that spoil it for the rest.

Actually in the short time I've attended the forum, and yes, I'm well aware of it being a fairly short time, thus I haven't seen it all, I've still seen quite a number of threads closed for "personal attacks" far from so severe that they should, in my opinion, and obviously quite a vocal, if far from the entire, memberbase of the forum, be closed or moderated.

Do note that while bored at work, I tend to surf around and read forums quite alot, meaning I keep a pretty close eye on interesting threads, so unless things are actually pre-screened by moderators before posting, I've seen most of the "worst" that's been offered the last month or two. Or if you have some hidden message-box that only moderators see where the poster can put in extraordinairy insults that give you a, for the general memberbase, unknown reason for closing threads. ;p

How 'bout just editing the few things that are actually so severe and warning the people posting it, instead of deleting entire posts or closing threads? That's what alot of forums tend to do. Personally I don't think personal attacks, as has been displayed so far as being enough to be "closing material" to forum mods, have been particularly harsh, calling whoever a "zerging noob" or "elitist ass" is hardly basis enough to close a thread, in my opinion. Obviously this is only my opinion, and the rules seem to state otherwise, or atleast various moderators' interpretations of the rules, but that's why I'm even voicing an opinion on the matter.

 

[Huntingtons]

im taking my orange box down to the local park with a megaphone and tell everybody how much alb zerg

 

[Labello]

Discussion is fine, but turning every other thread into a full blown war on how people play the game is pathetic.

This place shoud be a whine thread, and have, as far as i know, always being so. all serious chat can we have at all other places.

We are talking about 3 enemie realms at 1 forum, it's made for troble.
If we go back to WW2 (My favorite ) and take all soldiers from Germany, England and Ryssia. Place them at 1 big forum, and see what happends
I doubt they woud be serious for 1 sec.

 

[ebenezer]

Actually in the short time I've attended the forum, and yes, I'm well aware of it being a fairly short time, thus I haven't seen it all, I've still seen quite a number of threads closed for "personal attacks" far from so severe that they should, in my opinion, and obviously quite a vocal, if far from the entire, memberbase of the forum, be closed or moderated.

Do note that while bored at work, I tend to surf around and read forums quite alot, meaning I keep a pretty close eye on interesting threads, so unless things are actually pre-screened by moderators before posting, I've seen most of the "worst" that's been offered the last month or two. Or if you have some hidden message-box that only moderators see where the poster can put in extraordinairy insults that give you a, for the general memberbase, unknown reason for closing threads. ;p

How 'bout just editing the few things that are actually so severe and warning the people posting it, instead of deleting entire posts or closing threads? That's what alot of forums tend to do. Personally I don't think personal attacks, as has been displayed so far as being enough to be "closing material" to forum mods, have been particularly harsh, calling whoever a "zerging noob" or "elitist ass" is hardly basis enough to close a thread, in my opinion. Obviously this is only my opinion, and the rules seem to state otherwise, or atleast various moderators' interpretations of the rules, but that's why I'm even voicing an opinion on the matter.

i can understand the point ur making. But as you said since you havent seen everything long you just dont have the whole picture. If you take small pieces out froma short period of time it might seem like harmless whine. But if you seen a couple of years patterns reapeat itself 10000000 times you get the idea and see what direction its going when the first add whine with a dirty twist is thrown
A certain percantage on this forum isnt intrested in discussing anything. they just wanna "enlighten" the non add club who the adder is so they can black list him. I seen this argument many times before as an argument to be able to be able to keep posting such crap. Even more pathetic does it become when in the same post that same non adding club answers with 80% and acuse the apparent non adder for adding...and then it goes into its ordinary spin....and endless spiral which is like wathcing a monkey picking his nose...fun the first couple of times but quite dull and pointless after 1000
Also i would say now that the moderators have sucseeded in getting the forum better. meaning less crap. So what you see now is a light version f what existed not too long ago...
eb.

 

[Gilbride]

i can understand the point ur making. But as you said since you havent seen everything long you just dont have the whole picture. If you take small pieces out froma short period of time it might seem like harmless whine. But if you seen a couple of years patterns reapeat itself 10000000 times you get the idea and see what direction its going when the first add whine with a dirty twist is thrown
A certain percantage on this forum isnt intrested in discussing anything. they just wanna "enlighten" the non add club who the adder is so they can black list him. I seen this argument many times before as an argument to be able to be able to keep posting such crap. Even more pathetic does it become when in the same post that same non adding club answers with 80% and acuse the apparent non adder for adding...and then it goes into its ordinary spin....and endless spiral which is like wathcing a monkey picking his nose...fun the first couple of times but quite dull and pointless after 1000
Also i would say now that the moderators have sucseeded in getting the forum better. meaning less crap. So what you see now is a light version f what existed not too long ago...
eb.

TBH I don't see one bit of a problem with "blacklisting" whoever-your-typical-adder", it's always good to have that info, so you know what to expect, whether you treat him/her different or not. If you can't stand up for your own choice of playstyle, you really shouldn't even be playing, and if you do, why would you care if others disagree with your playstyle? Then there's obviously the different ways to handle the "not caring" but that's a different matter entirely. The same obviously goes for whatever other playstyle, when you're expecting people to behave in a different way than yourself, it's never bad to know what to expect. That's how you win fights in a game like DAoC, you know what to expect, and you work out a plan how to counter it.

What's interesting is you're tired of the "repetitive, pathetic addwhines" yea, but as I said earlier, is there any reason for you to read that topic at all? It's a forum, you read what you like etc. I mean come on, after years of hanging on this forum, you should be the #1 expert at picking out which threads are garbage and which ones are the quality ones, it shouldn't really be that hard to not sift through every single thread every single time. I know I do that myself, but that's because I'm mostly bored at work, and I'm also fairly new to the forum. I don't see the point in strangling it while it's still small, it's a forum, you rather expect people to vent every now and then, and when it goes overboard is when you give 'em the slapstick, not when it's about to maybe possibly kinda sortof turn down the road to overboard.

Obviously I don't care to argue your standpoint, it's yours to have, and you have your experience to base it on, but I'm used to a whole lot worse than this, seeing as VNBoards used to be my "home"forum, for server/cluster etc, and TBH, I've almost started reminiscing "the good old times" from there, because it's a whole lot better than having every other thread closed because it might turn overboard. Yes, people toss crap at eachother, discussions turn into a heated poo-flinging between a few people, but that's just the way things are, and the drama can just be alot of fun to read. It's never quite the "same old crap" if you actually follow the drama behind it all. And yes, I rather follow forum drama than your average soap-opera, because this I can enjoy at work, while having a coke and some popcorn. If you can' quite take it, don't read it. But then again, that's just my opinion.

 

[Maril]

So what tactic is it to create a thread specifically to list the names of people who decide to attack any enemy in the frontier ? That thread had no place on these forums, was vindictive and nasty.

Edit : I couldnt give two hoots if any RvR group joins in on my fight, or my group leader says to move on and leave them. Its been said in numerous other forums and threads here that that both play styles are fine and in line with the rules of the game. What is starting to piss me off is the constant "add whine" in every bloody thread.

So basically you're closing threads as they are not in line with your desired forum contents? Conclusion: Tears is just an abusive and corrupt power junkie that forces on his own preferences to this poor forum

 

[Labello]

Completely untrue. As we say, discussion is absolutely 100% fine and we reinforce this. Let's look at how a typical "discussion" tends to go on the forums (leading to a lock)...

I got baned 3 days for starting this thread. And what i can see, i haven't done anything wrong.
I have asked for a explanation but i got no anwears and the thread is not closed.
So what have we learned:
You can't critisize Moderators otherwise you will get baned!? (read first post)
Do any 1 think this is the right way to go? i don't.

Cut out the flaming and personal attacks, continue the discussion in a mature and civilised manner (accepting, although not necessarily agreeing with people's views) and thread wouldn't be closed.

Why do we have to be civiliced here? we are 3 enemie realms witch kill each other.
But ofc do most of us think that we shoud take away personal attacks, then so be it.
But what i can see, menny enjoys personal attacks and we coud solve the problem by having a new whine thread with less restricions?
Still, this is just a game, where we can hide behind a character, so i'ts not "that" personal.

 

[Alan]

So basically you're closing threads as they are not in line with your desired forum contents? Conclusion: Tears is just an abusive and corrupt power junkie that forces on his own preferences to this poor forum

No.

Im closing threads that breach the forum code of conduct. If you are not happy with the state of the forums feel free to move on.

Trolling, Spam, Mod Baiting, Add whine - take your pick

-CLOSED-