Cleaning out my closet! Ghettosmurf is gone...

[theslayeruk]

A punishment reflects the crime. Stealing an apple is a lesser crime than killing someone as you said. Using a crafting program is the same seriousness as using radar, because they are both 3rd party programs. Thus the punishment reflects this, anyone caught using radar now is permanently banned and obviously the same applies towards any other 3rd party program.

 

[UriZeN]

A punishment reflects the crime. Stealing an apple is a lesser crime than killing someone as you said. Using a crafting program is the same seriousness as using radar, because they are both 3rd party programs. Thus the punishment reflects this, anyone caught using radar now is permanently banned and obviously the same applies towards any other 3rd party program.

so u actually think that radar and autoclik is same as offenses against the community?! if thats so whats the lesser crime in daoc,bug abusing? window draging? harsh language? racist behaviour? because they dont involve a 3rd party program right? oh please.....uke:

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

A punishment reflects the crime. Stealing an apple is a lesser crime than killing someone as you said. Using a crafting program is the same seriousness as using radar, because they are both 3rd party programs. Thus the punishment reflects this, anyone caught using radar now is permanently banned and obviously the same applies towards any other 3rd party program.

So.... Stealing an apple and stealing €20,000,000 communitymoney should be punished thesame? It's both theft...

 

[Kwidz]

stealing an apple is against the law its as bad as killing someone according to ur standards! so use ur brain and see the point instead of doing pointless statements. i dont say that we are not supposed to be punished all im saying is that there should be an appropriate punishment for any given offense as it is in all rule systems as low as pool rules and as high as supreme courts.

on the PVE side.. abusing macroprogram and crafting is the same as radar on rvr side, doh thats the point

 

[Raven]

you cheated you got banned, it doesnt matter whether it was only cheating a little or cheating a lot. its zero tolorance up down left right a b c pwnd

 

[Indrid]

why use hax when its not allowed, pfft

and this mayb wasnt the first time he got caught? thats why its a permaban.. who knows ;p

not rly, on my mail it said macro tool abuse. and no, never needed to use radar to perform well in rvr. some do, i dont. only crafting, as u can see. cause this game is about rvr for me, and not roleplaying/crafting/pve.

Ah crap, sorry to hear you can't play that lil' smurf anymore :/

Dunno if u remember this old retaded SB, but best of luck in the future

Zakorath

ofc i remember u old m8. Nazgul SB teammate

just out of interest what program was u using to cheat with?

erh, not rly a name for it. its called crafter.zip, icon is a computer screen with eyes and tongue. mouseclick program. and as u can see, dont use it.

You cheated and got banned - no sympathy.

if u read what i wrote, i didnt ask for sympathy. However i said i got what i deserved. and not only that, this was more a goodbye post to ppl i have played with, met ingame, friends and so on. And to say why they wont see me on excal/prydwen anymore.

Will say again, thanks for all the cool replys. Will miss you too, and thanks alot for the fun time we had together. will put a rvr vid together sometime

/hugs


btw: emote spam - ohrly owl back in mail <- rofl

 

[Konah]

way over 50% of the lgms in-game should be perma banned in that case sheeeesh, harsh.

 

[Solari]

/cheer to the ones who made their LGM's the way it should be then

 

[Golena]

If I was running GOA I would give these punishments.

Emote Spam - Orly owl photo sent back to reporter
Macro Crafting - 7 Day Ban - Trade Skills Reset
RPT Farming - 7 Day Ban - Half the rpts on the toon reset.
Texture Abuse - 7 Day Ban - Toon rolled back to pre-abuse time
LOS Abuse (Bainshees/Necros etc) - Warning, if found to be doing again 7 day ban and final warning. (However this needs to be for BLANTENT abuse)
Radar - Instant Perma Ban, All accounts listed to that player.
Speed Hack - Instant Perminate ban on all accounts owned by the player.

After the 2nd/3rd punishment if they person was caught doing it again they would be perma banned.

There's a very obvious problem with this policy however.

Every and I mean EVERY crafter can simply macro craft. If you get caught you serve your ban and try again, you get caught again you do it on your second account. Eventually you'll make it to LGM without getting caught. The only thing stopping people from doing this is a ban first time, you might make it to LGM sure, but it's almost certainly not worth the risk.

I know many people view comparing real life to computer games sad and pathetic but here goes anyway. If I gave you the option of stealing 1 million pounds, and you knew the worst that would happen if the police caught you would be you would have to hand it back, and you'd only go to jail if you got caught twice, would you try and steal the money? I bet if you actually put it to the test an aweful lot of people would try and steal it.
Loading a 3rd party program isn't like doing 80 in a 70 zone. It's not something you can do accidentally by not staring at the speedo 100% of the time while your driving. I'd view texture abuse that could of been accidental (i.e. you didn't know you were actually using a bug to hit someone, you just clicked and nuked and didn't get an oos message) as comparable to speeding, and I feel that shouldn't get a perma ban.

Saying it's ok to cheat once, means everyone can freely cheat once without fear. While I agree that losing an account for something so trivial does suck, it's still cheating. Blame the crafting system, it's probably one of the crappest systems ever devised in a game. Bring in legal ingame supported macro crafting, make crafting more than simply clicking on a button. Just don't say, the current system sucks so it's ok to cheat. That's just a kick in the teeth to those doing it properly.

 

[illu]

I don't know if anyone ever played paradroid on the c64 but that had a cool little mini-game where you had to do to take over a higher robot. Sometimes the odds were way against you, but sometimes you could win.

Something like that should be implemented as an alternative viable method of making MP parts, maybe play a little sub game and if you win by the appropriate amount, you make an MP part. Or maybe have a crafting-in-the-background mode where you decide you want say 6 MP parts, and 24 hours later, you log into your account and hey presto, they are there (once you have done "some" grind to get to LGM status).

Oli - Illu

 

[theslayeruk]

So.... Stealing an apple and stealing €20,000,000 communitymoney should be punished thesame? It's both theft...

That is bullshit. Radar gives an unfair advantage in RvR and macro in PvE, just because you prefer RvR it doesn't mean cheating in PvE should have less of a punishment. There are a LOT of players who have legitimately got LGM crafters and they solely make their daoc cashflow from that, to have that taken away by people who afk'd for a number of hours is JUST AS UNFAIR as to lose rp's to someone who only won a fight because he knew where you were coming from. I don't particlary see why anyone should think radar is a greater degree of cheating than anything related to PvE.

 

[theslayeruk]

so u actually think that radar and autoclik is same as offenses against the community?! if thats so whats the lesser crime in daoc,bug abusing? window draging? harsh language? racist behaviour? because they dont involve a 3rd party program right? oh please.....uke:

Radar.... is a 3rd party program.

Autoclick.... is a 3rd party program.

GoA.... cracked down on the use of illegal 3rd party programs.

I don't see how hard it is to understand, GoA blatently said they were cracking down on 3rd party programs, you were stupid and started using one to craft, your account got terminated, whether you are rr9 or rr1 you deserve to be banned. 3rd party program use is treated as the same crime because if GoA condoned the use of radar 3rd party programs and allowed other programs to have minor punishments, it would encourage people to cheat and according to anyone who isn't crying because they got banned due to their own stupidity cheating is actually bad.

 

[athom]

That is bullshit. Radar gives an unfair advantage in RvR and macro in PvE, just because you prefer RvR it doesn't mean cheating in PvE should have less of a punishment. There are a LOT of players who have legitimately got LGM crafters and they solely make their daoc cashflow from that, to have that taken away by people who afk'd for a number of hours is JUST AS UNFAIR as to lose rp's to someone who only won a fight because he knew where you were coming from. I don't particlary see why anyone should think radar is a greater degree of cheating than anything related to PvE.

you people make lgm to EARN money, he did it so his guild could get some proper gear fast, since its frigging impossible to get hold of a crafter to do a mp order for a whole guild on a brand new server where everyone needs a suit

so its not rly the same is it?

and let the guy say goodbye to all the ppl that care about him and stop posting your "I PUSHED THE BUTTON 2 MILLION TIMES IRL SO IM GOD AND U CAN GO TO HELL". He didnt ask you for anything........ uke:

 

[athom]

aka cheating in daoc

wow, someone turned on the light?

 

[theslayeruk]

you people make lgm to EARN money, he did it so his guild could get some proper gear fast, since its frigging impossible to get hold of a crafter to do a mp order for a whole guild on a brand new server where everyone needs a suit

so its not rly the same is it?

and let the guy say goodbye to all the ppl that care about him and stop posting your "I PUSHED THE BUTTON 2 MILLION TIMES IRL SO IM GOD AND U CAN GO TO HELL". He didnt ask you for anything........ uke:

You think either myself or GoA actually care why he cheated? The fact he cheated means he deserves to have his account terminated. And just a side bit of info, the highest crafter I have was 500 fletching, so the above "statements" don't apply to me and furthermore this is a public forum and if people will go "attacking" GoA's rules just because they got caught then people who abide those rules are bound to comment on it.

 

[Dafft]

fecking wanker, now I'll never have my "1v1" footage vs you

useless cock - never trust greeks -

indriid, it was always a pleasure playing with you (in that non sexual way ofc) & against you on both Indriid & djiin - many a fight you got bummed by CT but always managed to have a laugh.

 

[Stasi]

you cheated you got banned, it doesnt matter whether it was only cheating a little or cheating a lot. its zero tolorance up down left right a b c pwnd

totaly agree

 

[athom]

You think either myself or GoA actually care why he cheated? and if people will go "attacking" GoA's rules just because they got caught then people who abide those rules are bound to comment on it.

He's not attacking the rules, just saying goodbye to his friends and your opinion doesnt really matter here lol should read the post again.

"The fact he cheated means he deserves to have his account terminated. blablabla".... he already stated that at creation... jeesus

Some day when people start careing about what you think ill make you a gratz thread m8

 

[Matmardigan]

One Button to rule them all, One Button to find them,
One Button to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

click tools breaks this rule, so u get banned.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

That is bullshit. Radar gives an unfair advantage in RvR and macro in PvE, just because you prefer RvR it doesn't mean cheating in PvE should have less of a punishment. There are a LOT of players who have legitimately got LGM crafters and they solely make their daoc cashflow from that, to have that taken away by people who afk'd for a number of hours is JUST AS UNFAIR as to lose rp's to someone who only won a fight because he knew where you were coming from. I don't particlary see why anyone should think radar is a greater degree of cheating than anything related to PvE.

Cashflow???? From crafting???
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
funny man...

Where have you been since Trials of Atlantis got introduced??

 

[Kanim]

you people make lgm to EARN money, he did it so his guild could get some proper gear fast, since its frigging impossible to get hold of a crafter to do a mp order for a whole guild on a brand new server where everyone needs a suit

so its not rly the same is it?

in both cases he would be abusing a macro tool for personal gain (ingame cash or better equipment than other players) so where is the difference exactly?

 

[Kwidz]

Cashflow???? From crafting???
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
funny man...

Where have you been since Trials of Atlantis got introduced??

used it on classicserver afaik?

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

used it on classicserver afaik?

Gah, classic, don't play there so didn't think of that...
/me feels stupid

But I'd still say, if you're able to reply within a certain time to a pm to show that you're not afk, I think crafting macro's should be allowed just because it's such a RSI-sensitive process...

 

[Zubilo]

Perma ban for craft macro tools??? You kidding???
Indriid its big crap imo..... you very good player and
very friendly man.....know you like more 3 years..... one more vote call owners Euro Daoc assholes....no normal servis, no normal statistic only giv money from Uber gay pay sistem.Nice Management /respect......