Classbalance (stealthers)

[phule_gubben]

Just read some intersting info on Duskwave

All know that Albion has 2 stealthclasses that can climp inside keeps and that Midgard and Hibernia only got 1 class each that are capable of such actions.

According to Duskwave there's:

4.036 chars in Albion that have the ability to climb inside keeps

1.881 chars in Midgard

1.356 chars in Hibernia

Could someone tell me where the balance is?

Would be nice to hear some comments in this matter and not whines, for a change.

 

[adari]

and hib has 2 classes with pbaoe, and alb/mid only one, and mid pets intercept, and, and, and, and.......

better close this thread for it will turn into a spam fest

 

[filofax]

Its all so unfaaair!! CRY!

 

[Edohadien]

Rangers got self buffs scouts dont.
Rangers got inst speed scouts dont

Druid got a pet
shamand and "clerics" dont

Warden got pbt heals and buffs
No class like that on all other realms.

i can keep going but i think u get the msg

 

[Aybabtu]

Originally posted by Edohadien
Rangers got self buffs scouts dont.
Rangers got inst speed scouts dont

Not to mention Hunters got self buffs, speed shout and a pet....

So much for stealther balance

 

[iluvatur]

dont animists have pbaoe as well?

 

[phule_gubben]

and yeah sorcerers can climb walls and such..

was merely pointing out the (un)balance between numbers/classes able to climb inside keeps.

I know that there's a big difference in chars abilities hence we're in 3 different realms. It wouldn't be any fun if all realms had the same stuff all over, or maybe u think so?

Personally i don't like that one realm can put up over twice the amount of "ninjas" on the other realms, if u think it's ok then say so instead of whines.

 

[Sharma]

Originally posted by phule_gubben
4.036 chars in Albion that have the ability to climb inside keeps

1.881 chars in Midgard

1.356 chars in Hibernia

You DO know that albion has minstrels too?

 

[Whisperess]

Re: Re: Classbalance (stealthers)

Originally posted by Sharma
You DO know that albion has minstrels too?

Please don't tell me you read his entire first post and still posted that?

 

[Groborthir]

Come on, who gives a damn if a minstrel can climb walls?

One of two things will happen:
1) His crappy stealth will show him at the bottom of the climb spot so you can just stand and wait for the poor lamer to climb up and whack him one. That's provided he doesn't get unstealthed by a guard on his way up there.
2) He gets so lucky that despite his crappy stealth he manages to get up. From here he might be able to get a mezz off, which is just going to a) be broken by GTAoE, b) be ignored because it makes no difference or c) it'll be cured, stalling the defence for maybe a few seconds up to a minute.

Can't really see why it should be a threat, let alone an issue that interferes with game balance.

 

[katt!]

Re: Re: Re: Classbalance (stealthers)

Originally posted by Whisperess
Please don't tell me you read his entire first post and still posted that?

you expect sharma to read before adding another camouflaged +1 spam to the collection?

 

[The Exile]

Originally posted by adari
and hib has 2 classes with pbaoe, and alb/mid only one.

Necro's can get pbae aswell

 

[ulke]

The realms must be abit different, no fun otherwise...

 

[ScarletPinp]

seriously get over it!

 

[Shrye]

Originally posted by Groborthir
Come on, who gives a damn if a minstrel can climb walls?

One of two things will happen:
1) His crappy stealth will show him at the bottom of the climb spot so you can just stand and wait for the poor lamer to climb up and whack him one. That's provided he doesn't get unstealthed by a guard on his way up there.
2) He gets so lucky that despite his crappy stealth he manages to get up. From here he might be able to get a mezz off, which is just going to a) be broken by GTAoE, b) be ignored because it makes no difference or c) it'll be cured, stalling the defence for maybe a few seconds up to a minute.

Can't really see why it should be a threat, let alone an issue that interferes with game balance.

Uhm... You're obviously not aware what a good stealth squad with a mincer or two in it is capable of then - One thing is theory, another is praxis... Get a couple of good players together, and they can easily take down twice their number - yes, you're right that it doesn't mean much in large-scale keep sieges. However, in smaller scale ones, it's not just harrassment they add, like the ns/sb, it's wipeouts to the defenders.

... remove wallclimb from mincers again, they should never have gotten it in the first place.

 

[Meeks]

Give savages climb wall...and the problem is solved

 

[Ravenbourne]

Originally posted by Edohadien
Rangers got self buffs scouts dont.
Rangers got inst speed scouts dont

please dont go there, ranger self buffs are next to useless and the speed shout get interupted by a kobold farting, hardly worth speccing

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by phule_gubben
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Could someone tell me where the balance is?

Would be nice to hear some comments in this matter and not whines, for a change.

There is none. It is as easy as that.

personally I've never understood why mincers (chain wearers) should be allowed to climb into keeps (CC; Mezz and stun).

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by Edohadien
Rangers got self buffs scouts dont.

doesnt stack with spec buffs tho so this is neglectible ^^

 

[Haldar]

yes, all assasins abilities should be removed from mincers. When i read that patch, i took it as a personal insult....scale walls and safe jumping is assasin's part of job!

and infils shoud be nerfed. Albion got strongest stealth department already - with the simple presence of Minstrel class.

 

[old.Lethul]

Re: Re: Re: Classbalance (stealthers)

Originally posted by Whisperess
Please don't tell me you read his entire first post and still posted that?

maybe he meant that there is tons of more infs than sb/ns

was quite a funny joke imo

 

[behatch]

Originally posted by Aybabtu
Not to mention Hunters got self buffs, speed shout and a pet....

So much for stealther balance

scout got shield spec instant 9s stun hunters dont,hunters have 2handed weapon with is bent

now then lets talk about infils ^^

then have off evade 9s stun

they have sexy female saracens^^

there bb's have spec shield and regen buff and heal buff which comes into use when i'am camping apk ><

they have slash neutral armor

if they spec thrust they wtfpwn with df

if they spec slash they wtfpwn because of our slash vun armor

there have cool RR names like eagle night we have shit stormur vakten and crap like that

NERF FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



and they have x bows!!

and they have the ability to be PL'd by necros!

 

[loxleyhood]

Ye gods, its almost as if we're playing three different realms!

 

[skile]

Originally posted by phule_gubben
Just read some intersting info on Duskwave

All know that Albion has 2 stealthclasses that can climp inside keeps and that Midgard and Hibernia only got 1 class each that are capable of such actions.

According to Duskwave there's:

4.036 chars in Albion that have the ability to climb inside keeps

1.881 chars in Midgard

1.356 chars in Hibernia

Could someone tell me where the balance is?

Would be nice to hear some comments in this matter and not whines, for a change.

How relevant is really keep-taking in the balance of stealthers?

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

Mincers were given wall climb as a cruel joke so they thought they had all assasins stealth abilities (i.e PROTECTION FROM SEE HIDDEN!) but then found they didnt get that bit so mythic could just go

ahahahahaha sucker.


+even if mincers lost wall climb i have a strange feeling, dont know why, but there mught *just* be the odd few infils than sbs/ns so alb would still have more ppl who can climb in keeps....

want to introduce class limiting per realm? :E

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

...

 

[loxleyhood]

Originally posted by Edohadien
Rangers got self buffs scouts dont.
Rangers got inst speed scouts dont.

I wouldn't say scouts are disadvantaged though, I mean, a scout got the most RP of all archers this week by far, closest other archer is about 50k off. ^^

 

[skile]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
I wouldn't say scouts are disadvantaged though, I mean, a scout got the most RP of all archers this week by far, closest other archer is about 50k off. ^^

Maybe just scouts are more active, eventhough less good.

 

[behatch]

only thing good about scouts is there shield ^^

 

[loxleyhood]

I wasn't saying that scouts are good, I was saying that I r0x0rs.