Christopher Reeve has died!

[nath]

I usually find Maddox a real dickhead - "hahahah, look, he's angry and he's ranting about stuff!". However I agree with a lot of what he's saying there :\

 

[Turamber]

Most people do not care about issues until they are affected personally by them. That Christopher Reeve didn't press for better research and treatment before his own accident is perfectly understandable -- as is being at the forefront of said research after his accident. He may have played Superman, but he was as human as the rest of us.

I've worked in Cancer hospices and helped raised funds for cancer treatment, but only after my father died from the disease. Does that make me a bad person? No, of course not.

It's very easy to sit safely in one's ivory tower pouring scorn on the world and every individuals little foibles whilst doing nothing to help our fellow man. Christopher Reeve may not have been a saint, and was certainly not beyond reproach, but he acted with courage and dignity in the face of terrible injuries that would have broken lesser men.

Thoughts and prayers are with his family at this sad time. Here's hoping that the research he pressed for and helped to fund will lead to improvements in treatment for other disabled people in the future.

 

[FuzzyLogic]

Maddox still strikes me as a complete twat in places, however much he thinks he goes against the grain, so what if Reeves didn't pay attention to spinal problem et al before his accident, I bet noone else did either.

It always takes someone of high stature (read: someone well known) to tell people of problems, the media tells us of whatever things there are wrong with the world and the government tells us that terrorists are bad mmk.

People in general are only ever self-serving, why should Reeves have been any different? Did people care about AIDS until Rock Hudson died, certainly not as much until after he became its celebrity poster child.

It happens. I never really paid attention to the obituaries on the Oscars until Reeves died, Mostly it was just a "Oh never, I liked him/her, they were good in X film" but Superman was a film I saw at a very young age and left a large impression on me, I do feel some sympathy that he's dead and gone, which is very rare for me.

Simply because he didn't acknowledge a certain sect until his own misfortune isn't a good reason to berate him, he could have easily just thought "Bugger it, find a cure for myself and feck all the plebians" but he didn't, publicity or not, he helped people in a similar situation and even after his death will continue to help those same people.

edit: didn't spot Turambers post until I hit enter,

 

[Aada]

Gekul it all depends what your view is on it? ive said mine and you flame me.. fool.

And no i dont call people who have had car accidents window lickers fuckin lame twat

 

[fatbusinessman]

Perhaps he has some reasonable points, but the fact that he used that "Fatality" image removes any credibility he may have had.

Fuck 'im.

 

[WPKenny]

I agree with Fuzzy and Turamber. SFW if he put millions into research before or after his accident? The fact was he did it. How many able bodied people out there have done even half of what Christpher Reeve did to help others from his wheelchair?

I read a few articles on that Maddox site and he comes over as a real immature idiot. It's a classic case of someone taking full advantage of the detatchment the internet provides. He doesn't have to deal with real people and doesn't have to read the "virtual" people's responses. Those he does read he can dismiss without consequences.

Christopher Reeve was a great guy before and after his accident. I've read many articles written by people who actually met him and say what a great guy he was and how he spent long periods of time chatting to kids and adults when any other person would have grown tired and buggered off a long time ago.

Christpher Reeve, I think the work you did was fantastic. I believe in stem cell research and I think those that object need to look at the longer term. I'm sure a few of them will be changing their mind when they grow older and their children or grand-children are paralysed like Chistopher Reeve, and they sit there thinking "hmmm, maybe it wasn't such a great idea campaigning to end what was essentially pioneering and life changing research that could have had benefits to the whole of mankind now and to future generations, but hey I saved a couple of foetuses that no one wanted".

Christpher Reeve, 1952 - 2004. RIP.

 

[GekuL]

Gekul it all depends what your view is on it? ive said mine and you flame me.. fool.

And no i dont call people who have had car accidents window lickers fuckin lame twat

I didn't flame you, I called you small minded.

Which you are.

 

[Tom]

And no i dont call people who have had car accidents window lickers fuckin lame twat

But still, their lives aren't as valuable as yours, because you're able bodied?

Not having a go at you here, but I think anybody with a disability who heard what you said would probably do their best to crush your toes.

 

[Aada]

Tom you have'nt read what ive said in my first post have you? im SAYING if that was me thats what id want.

Im NOT saying they live any less a normal life then me or you but me personnaly i wouldn't like to live like that.

 

[Whipped]

http://www.pvponline.com/images/news/tribute.gif <- A really good RIP pic that I thought summed things up beautifully.

 

[Jupitus]

Can I respectfully ask you to keep your flaming away from a thread meant as a tribute to someone, not as a thread for individual argument.

RIP.

 

[mank!]

Tom you have'nt read what ive said in my first post have you? im SAYING if that was me thats what id want.

Im NOT saying they live any less a normal life then me or you but me personnaly i wouldn't like to live like that.

Keep digging!

 

[Bodhi]

I'm sorry, i don't see how somone putting across their own personal opinion on what it would be like to be disabled is calling disablists second class citizens. Disability affects different people in different ways. If you get your pleasures from sports and sex paralysis is going to be a lot more gutting than if you get your pleasures from conscending upon other internet forum users. I mean you don't need legs for that now do you?

It's just people are different, innit?

 

[Tom]

Its the assumption that being disabled is worse than dying that offends me.

 

[Aada]

Thats all it was, my opinion on how i would feel if it was me

 

[Frizz]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/3735472.stm

How would you feel in that case, Tom?

 

[fatbusinessman]

Its the assumption that being disabled is worse than dying that offends me.

I wouldn't say that he's making an assumption - he's making a conjecture about how he think he'd feel in such a situation.

Perhaps he'd feel different if it actually happened to him. With any luck, neither we nor he will ever have to find that out. But my interpretation of his words is that, were he severely disabled or brain-damaged, he would prefer to be dead than continue to live with such severely crippled faculties.

 

[DaGaffer]

Its the assumption that being disabled is worse than dying that offends me.

For him! if he feels that way, which is what he was saying about the choice between death or severe injury in his case, then there's nothing wrong with that. It's hardly an unusual position; read any history of warfare that actually has soldiers talking about their feelings before battle and most of them talk about fearing maiming far more than death.

No one's saying that if you're disabled you can't have a life, and make as much of a contribution as anyone else, but if something as severe as Reeve's injuries happened to me, I'm not sure I'd want to go on either, but everyone's got a different view on their own limits.

 

[Bym]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/3735472.stm

How would you feel in that case, Tom?

I think that is a VERY different case. Most babies with Edwards Syndrome are terminated if it is found at the scan, and of those who are left, most die before or just after birth, such is the nature and severity of the syndrome. It is known as being 'incompatible with life', and as such could be argued as not being a disability, but a terminal illness, suffered by one so young that unfortunately isn't blessed with having choice, or a decent quality of life.

Having worked in hospitals, nursing homes, etc, as a student, I have seen many people/patients who have suffered more than you could possibly imagine, yet rather than give up on life, they have chosen to fight on. Puts us to shame really, with our daily moans about things of no consequence.

I don't think it is right to 'feel sorry' those who actually don't feel sorry for themselves! Or to assume someone severely disabled has no quality of life - but it's human nature to do so.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Don't know this reeve guy but i do salute the original superman. Have fun in heaven/hell...bugger if i know where he's going but hope he has fun.

 

[Aada]

Damn i watched that thing on BBC 1 tonight about him was real sad.. you could almost feel that he just wanted to cry when they told him that he wouldnt be allowed to wear the pacemaker..

Ahh well hope he is at peace now and hopfuly he is walking again up in heaven

 

[Gumbo]

 

[Clown]

Gumbo... That was earlier on in the thread.
Fucker.

 

[Gumbo]

Didn't see it, serves me right for only coming on here every now and again now eh, ah well here it is again -

 

[Jonaldo]

Gumbo... That was on two posts ago.
Fucker.

 

[Gumbo]

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[caLLous]

RIP.

(edited because of an attack of post-posting sensitivity)

 

[Bodhi]

I think I'm going to hell. I found that pic really funny

 

[dysfunction]

Buh I missed out on another insensitive post