cheating at counterstrike

[scooby-doo]

after all the valve updates patches and anti cheat progs i still cant believe that people still use aimbots and wallhacks,i thought the latest updates to c/strike would cut down/stop all the cheaters but doesn't sem to have,it may be me being a little nieve but i cant really see the point of cheating,i mean what thrill does it give you to know you are winning games by cheating?to me if i get some kills im chuffed as fuck(and if you see me play you'll know what i mean)its taking the enjoyment out of the game when somebody clearly is cheating and this is not directed to anyone in particular im just having a good morning moan.STOP FUCKING CHEATING.and enoy playing the game for what it is,a game! here endeth the lesson.

 

[Moving Target]

Now this is gonna convert a lot of cheaters!

 

[throdgrain]

If you want my opinion, and you're getting it whether or not, theres far more cheat whingers on cs than actual cheats.
You cant have a game without some pre-pubescent n00b shouting "omg cheator" or whatever, when most of the time the player is just good. BW servers 1 to 4 in particular attract some bloody good players, I struggle to keep up sometimes, but it dont mean they cheat. In contrast, go on a Jolt server and often the players are far more avarage. But i can play on jolt for a bit, win easy, or at least do well, then go on BW and -omg!

 

[S-Gray]

I'll change my ways now no more cheating from me

 

[Embattle]

Now this really is a pointless subject, there will always be cheats and no program will stop that, no amount of moaing will either

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

There are other ways to cheat without progs in CS, though I never used them.

A3D cards let you hear across the whole map.

And on a certain little netgraph you can summon one of the lines will go up everytime someone is near you...

CS is flawed enough without cheaters adding to it.

 

[Moving Target]

Originally posted by old.D0LLySh33p
A3D cards let you hear across the whole map.

They do?

/me hacks Sonicvortex 2

 

[S-Gray]

I have the option to enable A3d or EAX... ive enabled both but now i may enable just A3d and check it out

 

[Rubber Bullets]

6 months or so ago, CS1.2 or thereabouts, cheating was rife. It was hardly possible to join a server without there being blatant wallhacks and aimbots. When the reasonable anti cheat software went online I was constantly seeing people kicked for hacking.

Now days it is incredably rare to see blatant cheating. I can't remember the last time I did.

There are some extremely good players around, and if you are still at the stage where 1 good kill makes you chuffed then it is difficult to imagine just how good it is possible to be, some guys are simply superhuman, or so it seems.

This does not all mean that there are no cheats around. What I think has happened is that those people who do, are much more subtle. Anyone with half a brain can use a hack to get a very good score without attracting much attention. I don't think there are many, but those that are with us are here to stay, proving anything without going round to their houses and spying through a window, is impossible.

s

 

[S-Gray]

The other day i finally played a [Myg0t] Person (Wannabe) on the FF Server, i had the misfortune of being on his team, he was ok for the first 1/2 rounds, but then, he tk'd everyone (2 of us - 3v3), then, he would Wallhack, then when he died he would retry, and come back, and TKd us again ,so eventually, the other teammate waited for him at Spawn (for him to join in) the minute he connected he got AWPd , then he just left, pissed off heh

 

[Trem]

Originally posted by schadenfreude
6 months or so ago, CS1.2 or thereabouts, cheating was rife. It was hardly possible to join a server without there being blatant wallhacks and aimbots. When the reasonable anti cheat software went online I was constantly seeing people kicked for hacking.

Now days it is incredably rare to see blatant cheating. I can't remember the last time I did.

There are some extremely good players around, and if you are still at the stage where 1 good kill makes you chuffed then it is difficult to imagine just how good it is possible to be, some guys are simply superhuman, or so it seems.

This does not all mean that there are no cheats around. What I think has happened is that those people who do, are much more subtle. Anyone with half a brain can use a hack to get a very good score without attracting much attention. I don't think there are many, but those that are with us are here to stay, proving anything without going round to their houses and spying through a window, is impossible.

s

Once again you are spot on, Rubber I think I love you

 

[Rubber Bullets]

Heh, thanks Trem, I'm rather fond of you too.

 

[Ch3tan]

Valves anti-cheat does actually work to an extent, its good because it runs anway, combined with hlgaurd and admins its a good anti-cheat package. Cheating will never stop completely, but if you think its worst at the moment your wrong, 1.1 was probably the worst for cheating and accusations.

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

Trems loves Rubber Bullets...

Bet they play hide the sausage.



/me jealous.

1.1 was so bad for cheating and accusations. Twas gh3y. So many peeps whom I thought had pwnzd me because they were amazing turned out to be botters...

But then saying that, the accusations were almost as bad. Would be so annoying when peeps on a server would just start riling against anyone doing particularly well - most of the time out of paranoia and misplaced frustration.

Everyone knows naked twister should solve all these problems.

But does it? Nooooo!

 

[*Kornholio*]

Originally posted by schadenfreude
Heh, thanks Trem, I'm rather fond of you too.

get a room you 2...

 

[weapey]

Valve should implement similar techniques to what Cheating Death used, as well as detection and prevention of known cheats, it should be made as difficult as possible for undetected/unknown cheats to work.

HLG may have the wallhack block, but it isnt perfect, since (well, 56k only possibly) people pop up in doorways, which is off-putting :/

Least I don't see that many cheats.

 

[Ivan.]

one of the most annoying things for me with all the cheating is that i've become so accustomed to it being around, that my first thought when someone gets a one shot head shot or a lucky/skillful kill on me is that they're cheating. i rarely start accusing them or anything, or in fact believe they are cheating after watching them for a while, but it's just what immediately pops into my head.

maybe i'm just weak minded .

 

[Mr Flibble]

Originally posted by Ivan.
one of the most annoying things for me with all the cheating is that i've become so accustomed to it being around, that my first thought when someone gets a one shot head shot or a lucky/skillful kill on me is that they're cheating. i rarely start accusing them or anything, or in fact believe they are cheating after watching them for a while, but it's just what immediately pops into my head.

maybe i'm just weak minded .

^^^^exactly. Why online gaming will never be as fun for me as it used to be and the worst affect that cheating has by far.

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

Wow, a post from MrFlibble.

Heh. Soz. Never seen one before.

Too used to irc in bwadmins I guess.

 

[isuck]

i think 1.1 was probably my fav update tbh, cant remember why, maybe it was just around the time when i was playing cs 24/7 with no worries about work or anything.

as for the cheating aspect, it was probably around the time that myg0t were around that it was worst, not just the maggots, just about every server i'd go on would have a cheaty fucker on it.

seems a little better these days, or maybe im playing cs stoned too much :/

ahh well.

p.s. you're all gay

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

I may be gay, but that's only cos i saw ur lovely blue eyes big boy.

Heh.

I think it's cos your stoned m8y

 

[Skyler]

Originally posted by old.D0LLySh33p
There are other ways to cheat without progs in CS, though I never used them.

A3D cards let you hear across the whole map.

And on a certain little netgraph you can summon one of the lines will go up everytime someone is near you...

CS is flawed enough without cheaters adding to it.

Dolly has hit the nail on the head somewhat, forget the wallhacks and aimbots for a moment, only the lame easy to spot cheats tend to use those now. There is a new breed of stealth "cheats" around in CS, and they are being used more and more, they dont give skill (not even wallhacks/aimbots give that), they give a distinct advantage to a skilled player who is using them.

Once again my argument against some customisations in CS comes into it partly, I know there are many "legit" customisations and they are ok pretty much, but the fact you can customise certain parts of CS so much makes it very open to the new breed of advantageous, almost accepted, cheating.

lets run through some of them....

A3D, as mentioned by dolly it gives a huge advantage to the user in nearly all situations. With A3D sound in HL (note: only using A3D 2.0 will you see a benefit, this doesnt work on 2k/XP either) you can hear twice as far as standard sound. Plus, all sounds that you cant normally hear very loud on normal/eax sound in HL, are greately magnified.

Take a small scenario to be used as an example:...

A 5v5 clanmatch takes place on say... prodigy. One member of clan A, has a3d 2.0 sound. All other players have normal or eax sound. Clan A start as CT and move into positions. Clan B begin moving up in a 4 / 1 split formation, with 4 boxes and 1 hut, they make a bit of noise coming out of spawn then walk to their positions. The a3d 2.0 user on the CT side will be able to hear those initial footsteps, and thus can gauge where the main amount of T's are, he can then inform his clan and shuffle all their positions accordingly, so that they can handle the rush much better.

This is only a quick example but it should help you to see some of the situations a3d can give a huge advantage in. I fail to see how anyone can disagree that a3d 2.0 gives cheat like advantages based on a scenario like that

There are many many areas where a3d 2.0 can give a huge advantage, funny how only a3d users tend to argue against the advantage.

Imagine a 2v2 game with one pair having a3d 2.0 and one having normal sound. The pair with a3d could easily hear where the other 2 were planning to rush, and easily manouvre into a position to counter it, or even lay an ambush on it, akin to a wallhacker being able to see someone before they come round the corner, or akin to the OGC radar.

I'll move off a3d now as I have to go out in a moment.



There is another distinct way of cheating with sounds, which I am not going to reveal publicly, because it is to easy to do and too effective, its also almost undetectable. A lot of top clan players in europe have been known to do it too, although many dont now.



You then have the of course obvious, changing of models to slightly brighter but accepted models, to a good player this can give a serious advantage, I expect some will argue against this, but I have tested it and I noticed a huge change in my gameplay (this was back in version 6, I cant see it being any different now)


Last thing I cba to think of atm is "netcode h4x" as some people say.

There are many commands in halflife which modify the netcode greatly, there is one that forces people around you to update as many times as you do, which can obviously lag modemers to pieces the second you walk near them, thus giving an easy kill. There are other commands which seem to affect the amount of damage you can take, or the amount of damage you give. This is all very hard to proove and test as CS is very random itself in the damage it does, but I have a demo of a clanmate shooting someone at a well known lan (the someone he was shooting was AFK at spawn, with no kevlar). He shot him with the deagle in the head 7 times, the guy didnt die, he reloaded and shot another 3 times before achieving a headshot kill. This is rather abnormal, and was tested several rounds in a row on the same guy who was afk at spawn, and each time he took at least a deagle clip of headshots to kill. Other players on the server also took part in the test and were shot in the head with a deagle by the same person, they died in 1 bullet everytime. Now this strikes me as very odd, as it should take 1 deagle bullet in the head to kill someone, not a clip. I leave it to you to decide what to make of that, I may turn the demos into AVI's sometime for your viewing.
Its worth thinking about, but also remember, CS can also loose bullets by itself, so dont go around thinking every who didnt die in the right amount of bullets is a "config h4x0r"......


Anyway, I'm going out to meet Sujoy in a snazzy London restaurant, laters :>


Oh and one last thing to say, I'm sure not many of you are aware, but I think you should be, I got banned from Barrysworld CS the other day (yes I am an admin). I am unbanned now, and have a copy of the demo that got me banned in the first place, I have avi'd it and may well post a link to it here sometime, it is quite ridiculous that I was banned for that footage (I didnt get any kills and I died), if what was in that demo is bannable then 80% of BW players should be banned now!

I'll say no more on that subject tho

Good day to all.... etc ;p

 

[S-Gray]

Originally posted by Skyler
Oh and one last thing to say, I'm sure not many of you are aware, but I think you should be, I got banned from Barrysworld CS the other day (yes I am an admin). I am unbanned now, and have a copy of the demo that got me banned in the first place, I have avi'd it and may well post a link to it here sometime, it is quite ridiculous that I was banned for that footage (I didnt get any kills and I died), if what was in that demo is bannable then 80% of BW players should be banned now!

I'll say no more on that subject tho

Good day to all.... etc ;p

You where banned by another Admin, or by HLGuard etc?

 

[old.D0LLySh33p]

Well... um.

Skyler.

You have too much time.

Why don't you try wanking a bit more!?!

 

[old.legendario]

I remember someone mentioning this incident not so long ago but they didnt want to give out any names....now we know ( or I do now anyway)

 

[Skyler]

I wouldnt of normally posted it, but I'm still annoyed by the whole attitude of the event, so I felt that you regulars should know what happened and make your own judgements.

I am still an admin now and I have been unbanned, but I havent been cleared and the demo is still apparantly "conclusive" according to Zap

 

[old.legendario]

How large is that avi?

I wouldnt mind seeing it...or the demo.

I'm bored at work ya see

 

[Skyler]

The high quality one is 55 mb, I cant remember what the low quality one is...

I havent uploaded it yet but I should be doing so later on today

 

[Skyler]

and lol leg, you edited your "zappeh is a noobeh" from the end of your post ;p

 

[legendario]

Originally posted by Skyler
and lol leg, you edited your "zappeh is a noobeh" from the end of your post ;p

lmao...nabbed

I originally said it as a joke but realised he may not find it funny after you told us he stands by the conviction...hehe.