casters vs assassins (discussion)

[wittor]

bloody sm's ;((

ps: fu dorin

 

[Dorin]

c'mon aussie, dont be rude, tell him :<

aussie is making it up atm, so give the poor man a few minutes :[

wittor :wub: :E

 

[wittor]

just ignore sm's w/o mezz poison

btw a month or 2 ago I attacked some rr3 sm but he was a bit far away but cus he was rr3 I thought ah well just unstealth and sprint to it and kill him easy but something went wrong with the planning ;(
http://users.pandora.be/witt0r/ffs.jpg

QQ ;D

The following set of pictures is not meant to be a whine. It is just a documentation of the "Assassin vs Caster" situation we've seen, after TOA and NF.

sm intercept pet was before TOA evil aswell not only after it .. xD
and also you can pick ur fights , just ignore sm's

 

[Chronictank]

strafe!!! not in view!!!!!!!!

You fail to cast xxxxxxxxxxx

Sums it up perfectly, ive had a fight on my rm where i landed 1 nuke the whole fight because the infil ran through and caused all spells to fail.

You can foil moc which was designed to give free casting for 15 seconds but doesnt because of game dynamics, you do know MOC costs 30 rsp? and only does 70% the dmg when used?

Taking a screenshot of a pet intercepting more than usual is easy to do, i can get a screenie being 3 shot by a NS when my brittles were down cus of a dot mine. But does that mean stealthers need a nerf?

Stealthers choose when and where to take on a caster, can a caster do the same? Does the caster have a escape (vanish)?

 

[Kwidz]

You can foil moc which was designed to give free casting for 15 seconds

fyi 30 secs

 

[Chronictank]

fyi 30 secs

didnt bother getting it in NF as i think points are better spent elsewhere, its pretty much a all or nothing deal

 

[Jaem-]

Stealthers choose when and where to take on a caster, can a caster do the same? Does the caster have a escape (vanish)?

Unless they were like me always walking over DD mines.

 

[Puppet]

Taking a screenshot of a pet intercepting more than usual is easy to do, i can get a screenie being 3 shot by a NS when my brittles were down cus of a dot mine. But does that mean stealthers need a nerf?

The fact it doesnt the majority of the time means SM's need a nerf imo. Also its alot harder to get a screenshot with bucketloads of intercepts then a screenshot of 3 hits going passed by that easy, that is if the intercept-rate is indeed 50% which every Mid-SM claims it is; and which every other realm claims it aint

Stealthers choose when and where to take on a caster, can a caster do the same? Does the caster have a escape (vanish)?

as Dark-SM I would say your 'escape' is MOC+lifetap

Fact is however: Spiritmaster has a 50% chance (according to SM's themselves) to not take melee-damage. You can see it as a 50% hp boost against melee or some super-PD which gives 50% resists to EVERY melee. They get this for free; which makes it rather imbalanced compared to most other casters :O

Its a stunning example of a growing imbalance when more and more assassins rather attack a heavy-tank then a caster.

 

[eggy]

didnt bother getting it in NF as i think points are better spent elsewhere, its pretty much a all or nothing deal

moc1 is fine for mind sorcs, as you should be interrupting after initial mez.

 

[eissua]

moc1 is fine for mind sorcs, as you should be interrupting after initial mez.

no its not.

Ceremonial bracer , some that resist , tanks that come out of charge..

 

[eggy]

no its not.

Ceremonial bracer , some that resist , tanks that come out of charge..

Well I'm hoping that there aren't many sorcs that only mez once on impact.

Also, my point was that it's not simply an all-or-nothing situation. Yes moc3 would be nice on mind sorcs, but the value of perma 30 second interrupts for 5 spec points is invaluable.

 

[Kwidz]

no its not.

Ceremonial bracer , some that resist , tanks that come out of charge..

haha!!
"OMG INC I MEZZ ONCE THEN POP MOC AND ROX!"#¤%&/!"

 

[eissua]

Well I'm hoping that there aren't many sorcs that only mez once on impact.

by the time the sorc mez lands, the healer is already in 1650 range , any "decent" healer purges and instas back .

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

in old fronteers I have seen Tinny(rl m8) killing the SM's pet before the SM died by shooting from range, and the SM was running around like a clueless gimp trying to find a scout in shade morph xD

but a SM pet have like 2k hp ? and decent absorb ^^ but well ones the pet is down he is down aswell in a sec ;p

 

[Kwidz]

by the time the sorc mez lands, the healer is already in 1650 range , any "decent" healer purges and instas back .

before the "decent" healer purge and instamezz the grp they meet prolly split so he only max 2 peeps get instamezzed

 

[Kathal]

Nerf sm pets

Now Bob is crying. What am I supposed to tell him now?? Is your lub for Bob gone??

 

[eissua]

before the "decent" healer purge and instamezz the grp they meet prolly split so he only max 2 peeps get instamezzed

ye so? any decent healer uses it on the sorcer

 

[Kwidz]

ye so? any decent healer uses it on the sorcer

and then?

 

[Phule_Gubben]

Most healers these days don't have any insta AE mess.

 

[eissua]

and then?

maybe read eggys reply where this all started with, you should probably be able to figure out the answer on your own stupid question.

 

[Kathal]

maybe read eggys reply where this all started with, you should probably be able to figure out the answer on your own stupid question.

Aussie style sucks. You should know that by now.
If you can't answer his question, then just be quiet.

 

[Chronictank]

as Dark-SM I would say your 'escape' is MOC+lifetap

Wrong, how many times have you actually landed a nuke after using moc on a infil/ns? 1? 2? EVERY infil i have fought has chain run through to avoid moc.

Fact is however: Spiritmaster has a 50% chance (according to SM's themselves) to not take melee-damage. You can see it as a 50% hp boost against melee or some super-PD which gives 50% resists to EVERY melee. They get this for free; which makes it rather imbalanced compared to most other casters :O

Its not a fact, its an opinion, until someone has actually did some proper tests, thats all it is... an opinion.

 

[Eregion]

Most healers these days don't have any insta AE mess.

lol?

 

[Dorin]

Wrong, how many times have you actually landed a nuke after using moc on a infil/ns? 1? 2? EVERY infil i have fought has chain run through to avoid moc.

most melees do that and you can still land 50-90% of your spells if you got some clues what to do + depends how advanced is his run through skill

 

[Helme]

lol?

dey all respecced to hardmode-aug m8r or uber battle-healer speccs like the US ppl!

 

[Meradesh]

use ur crossbow to kill a brittle guard then hide wait and repeat, if the casters is still there waiting for u, u'll have a choice.

 

[Ghaladriel]

lolz xD

 

[Puppet]

Wrong, how many times have you actually landed a nuke after using moc on a infil/ns? 1? 2? EVERY infil i have fought has chain run through to avoid moc.

So you say you cant land a single lifetap in 30 secs? Sorry there's only 1 to blame then: Yourselves.

Its not a fact, its an opinion, until someone has actually did some proper tests, thats all it is... an opinion.

Wrong again. It is a FACT that the SM-pet intercepts. This gives the SM an additional 'resist' to melee-damage. FACT. That % of resist depends on the intercept-rate. FACT.

GOA and Mythic claim the intercept-rate is 50%, most Alb/Hibs claim its higher. SM's claim its 50%. So Im being careful and I say it intercepts 50%. Grats you now have 50% extra melee-resists.

Now I ask you: Why does a SM suddenly get this ? Where they gimped before? Did they need it?

You should have seen the whines if an enchanter would get free PD5 on level 32. However in essence this is what you receive; for the trade-off u keep your pet close. As a bonus u dont get interrupted when the pet intercepts.

I think even 10% intercept-rate is imbalancing; let alone 50% (or more).

 

[Chronictank]

So you say you cant land a single lifetap in 30 secs? Sorry there's only 1 to blame then: Yourselves.

I didnt say a single lifetap, i said you will and very few on a melee char who has played his/her char for a while.

Wrong again. It is a FACT that the SM-pet intercepts. This gives the SM an additional 'resist' to melee-damage. FACT. That % of resist depends on the intercept-rate. FACT.

GOA and Mythic claim the intercept-rate is 50%, most Alb/Hibs claim its higher. SM's claim its 50%. So Im being careful and I say it intercepts 50%. Grats you now have 50% extra melee-resists.

Now I ask you: Why does a SM suddenly get this ? Where they gimped before? Did they need it?

You should have seen the whines if an enchanter would get free PD5 on level 32. However in essence this is what you receive; for the trade-off u keep your pet close. As a bonus u dont get interrupted when the pet intercepts.

I think even 10% intercept-rate is imbalancing; let alone 50% (or more).

As said pets DO NOT intercept 50% the hits, Mythic/GOA did not say it will intercept 50% the hits.
50% CHANCE to intercept a hit, therefore EVERY hit is calculated on its own right, therefore it is not a fixed 50%. FACT
As a result SM's do not have a extra 50% hp because of the pet as it is random. FACT
Pet could intecept every hit one fight and intercept none another. FACT
Sm's CANNOT CHOOSE their pet type. FACT

 

[Ilum]

Its better than PD5, you cant counter it with elemental weapons.