casters vs assassins (discussion)

[Ilum]

I didnt say a single lifetap, i said you will and very few on a melee char who has played his/her char for a while.


As said pets DO NOT intercept 50% the hits, Mythic/GOA did not say it will intercept 50% the hits.
50% CHANCE to intercept a hit, therefore EVERY hit is calculated on its own right, therefore it is not a fixed 50%. FACT
As a result SM's do not have a extra 50% hp because of the pet as it is random. FACT
Pet could intecept every hit one fight and intercept none another. FACT
Sm's CANNOT CHOOSE their pet type. FACT

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50% chance to intercept = You can take 50% more damage. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Overall, it will be 50%. Sometimes it will mean 50% more hp, sometimes it will mean 25% more hp, sometimes it will mean 75% more hp etc. Also take into account that an intercept (or sometimes you need more) allow the sm to cast a lifetap, which gives him more life.

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[Chronictank]

Its better than PD5, you cant counter it with elemental weapons.

When compared to its counterpart a intecepting pet is fair imo

 

[Ilum]

What counterpart? Enchanter, Cabalist?

 

[Chronictank]

sorc/chanter is a counterpart to a sm tbh
Chanter debuff their own dmg and choose their pets
Sorc choose their pets and have endless ammounts of tweaks not to mention access to ichor
Caba also chain stunning pet and can debuff its own dmg

pretty far field imo

 

[Vodkafairy]

you can have chanter pets anyday if you lose the intercepting pet

 

[Ilum]

sorc isnt the counterpart imo, but if it is, you have to realize when comparing it to an overpowered class doesn't really mean its balanced just cause its not as good. sm can use stun pets too - they just get less intercepts? i mean you can choose, but since you got such an obvious choice, you always pick the intercepting one...

 

[eissua]

rofl so you're saying that intercept pet is ok because a sorc with r5 RA up and MoC 3 achieve the same?

 

[Helme]

Spiritmasters intercepting pet is overpowered. Some days ago just for example our zerk had a duel with kesa I think he got in one of 30 rounds. (pet was buffed aswell for mega-absorb)

 

[Saveus]

Spiritmasters intercepting pet is overpowered. Some days ago just for example our zerk had a duel with kesa I think he got in one of 30 rounds. (pet was buffed aswell for mega-absorb)

THats just insane lol, good thing pet dont block my nukes

 

[Golena]

50% chance to intercept = You can take 50% more damage. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Overall, it will be 50%.

Actually with a 50% chance to intercept, that would equal 100% more damage.

 

[Chronictank]

rofl so you're saying that intercept pet is ok because a sorc with r5 RA up and MoC 3 achieve the same?

noone said that except you

Spiritmasters intercepting pet is overpowered. Some days ago just for example our zerk had a duel with kesa I think he got in one of 30 rounds. (pet was buffed aswell for mega-absorb)

Class balance isnt based on being buffed as Mythic have said time and time again.

 

[Chronictank]

nerf edit timer: (woo i got 100th post)
I personally would gladly give up intercept for a pet that chain stuns at the same rate as a caba

 

[Ilum]

then put your lvl 1 pet on hotbar?

 

[Chronictank]

then put your lvl 1 pet on hotbar?

doesnt nuke at the same rate as a caba, play both and i garuntee you will notice the difference

 

[Ilum]

but but but but mythic says they do

 

[Puppet]

As said pets DO NOT intercept 50% the hits, Mythic/GOA did not say it will intercept 50% the hits.
50% CHANCE to intercept a hit, therefore EVERY hit is calculated on its own right, therefore it is not a fixed 50%. FACT

So on average its 50% ? You grasping straws now tho; because your 'Sometimes it intercepts way less, like 10%' I can counter easily with 'Sometimes it intercepts way more, like 90%'.

A GOA-employee told me in a PM that there is a 50% chance on EVERY swing the pet will intercept. It doesnt take a genius to figure out that with a 50% chance to intercept EVERY swing you take approximatly 50% less melee-damage from an encounter with a melee-class then some caster without the pet. You think that is fair? Additionally when the pet intercepts you are not interrupted; so from that PoV it beats PD5 too hands down. And as Illum pointed out legendary weapons dont help against SM's pet-intercept; but they damn well go straight through PD5.

As a result SM's do not have a extra 50% hp because of the pet as it is random. FACT

Correct; however on AVERAGE it will have. As pointed out; sometimes its perhaps 0% sometimes 100%. Its abit odd to totally neglect the knowledge of math we have from averages tho. Therefore on AVERAGE the SM has, on average, 50% intercepts, resulting actually indeed in 100% more hp.

Pet could intecept every hit one fight and intercept none another. FACT
Sm's CANNOT CHOOSE their pet type. FACT

Pretty sure you can cast another pet as SM. But you pick the best pet which has all abilities including intercept (and parry, lifedrain, stun)

 

[Shatar]

Pretty sure you can cast another pet as SM. But you pick the best pet which has all abilities including intercept (and parry, lifedrain, stun)

Yes you can sort of choose a pet as an sm but there is no real differance. Pet 1 no armor no weapon, pet 2 a weapon, pet 3 leather armor and weapon (I think), pet 4 studded armor and weapon and sum abilitys (parry, some proc...) pet 5 chain armor and weapon and abilitys (parry, some proc, stun, bladeturn...)
A chanter can have different kinds of pets like healer, caster or tank. But to say a sm cannot choose his/her pet is in fact wrong, they can use a worse version of the best pet if they feel like it. (only really applicable in old style TG raids with focus shield since you didnt want the pet to absorb any lots of dmg or parry, since it kinda defeated purpose)

 

[Vodkafairy]

chanter mage pet is nice but extremely weak, ally is the only decent pet and it does some minor heals when people are at 30-40%

intercept pet > chanter pet

and caba pet is simply bugged, teleports all over the place and stuns without los.. its retarded. still, sm pet is in most situations superiour

 

[Shatar]

chanter mage pet is nice but extremely weak, ally is the only decent pet and it does some minor heals when people are at 30-40%

intercept pet > chanter pet

and caba pet is simply bugged, teleports all over the place and stuns without los.. its retarded. still, sm pet is in most situations superiour

Yes I am sure sm intercepting pet is worse than the others but I was just exemplifying the "choice" of pet's open to an sm and compared it to a chanters choices. I in no way mean that the chanter pet is better. Though I rly hate that cabba pet as a healer.

 

[Saveus]

chanter mage pet is nice but extremely weak, ally is the only decent pet and it does some minor heals when people are at 30-40%

intercept pet > chanter pet

and caba pet is simply bugged, teleports all over the place and stuns without los.. its retarded. still, sm pet is in most situations superiour

Yes, my simi is a terrorizer at times other times stops, wont come, runs away when i tell it to stay ect darned bugger He seems to like you tho VF. :wub:

 

[Vodkafairy]

Yes, my simi is a terrorizer at times other times stops, wont come, runs away when i tell it to stay ect darned bugger He seems to like you tho VF. :wub:

yeah but it never reaches me because you die too fast

 

[Chronictank]

Correct; however on AVERAGE it will have.
I was simply pointing out the flaw in his logic, it is on average, doesnt mean a sm is garunteed 50% more hp as he stated
I didnt at any point claim it was better than Physical Defence 5, but putting things into perspective. Every class has its strengths and weaknesses, a intercepting pet is hardly a i win vs stealthers