Caster RA's For damage

[Bubble]

I was wondering if anyone had researched which RA's effect your damage as a caster the most.
Does Aug Acuity3 effect damage better than MoM3. Does WP3 deal more damage over time than both?

At the moment i have my RA points split between the 3 of them.

(Stuff like would 48 extra Acuity help spell damage more than 15% extra damage from MoM5?)

 

[Foadon]

there was some kind of researching that mom > wp in damage over time, but the best is a mix of all 3 ras, smt like mom4 wp3 etc etc, im sure some caster will post one of those tables soon :d

 

[Chronictank]

MoM>WP
Tested it when the ra stones were free on my sm.
MoM raises youre base dmg so you will hit harder every time, whereas WP increases the chance to crit, so by default it wont add to youre dmg every hit.

Aug Acuity wont make a noticeable difference till about Acuity 3, but for the same points MoM gives you more

 

[Mavericky]

MoM>WP


Aug Acuity wont make a noticeable difference till about Acuity 3, but for the same points MoM gives you more

However, the higher your acuity the less chance there is for a spell to be outright resisted (according to rag's a while ago)

 

[Foadon]

MoM>WP
Tested it when the ra stones were free on my sm.
MoM raises youre base dmg so you will hit harder every time, whereas WP increases the chance to crit, so by default it wont add to youre dmg every hit.

but it adds alot more dmg in one hit when u crit, so you get "all that added dmg in one hit", and in OF wp > mom, but thats different now, still mom5 <<<<<<< mom4 wp3 or smt for example, so its not just mom is the way to go, its the mix of both or all 3 that gives best combo

 

[Bubble]

Atm i have WP4 AA3 and MoM3.
I'll test it tonight, I'll respec to AA5 and then MoM5 and see which does the most etc.

 

[Zebolt]

I got this from a guildie.

Cost _ bonus _____ MoM _ WP _ AA
0 _____ 0.0% _____ 0 ____ 0 ___ 0
1 _____ 2.0% _____ 1 ____ 0 ___ 0
1 _____ 0.9% _____ 0 ____ 1 ___ 0
1 _____ 0.9% _____ 0 ____ 1 ___ 0
1 _____ 0.8% _____ 0 ____ 0 ___ 1
2 _____ 2.9% _____ 1 ____ 1 ___ 0
2 _____ 2.8% _____ 1 ____ 0 ___ 1
2 _____ 1.7% _____ 0 ____ 1 ___ 1
2 _____ 1.7% _____ 0 ____ 1 ___ 1
3 _____ 3.7% _____ 1 ____ 1 ___ 1
4 _____ 4.0% _____ 2 ____ 0 ___ 0
4 _____ 2.4% _____ 0 ____ 0 ___ 2
5 _____ 4.9% _____ 2 ____ 1 ___ 0
5 _____ 4.8% _____ 2 ____ 0 ___ 1
5 _____ 4.7% _____ 1 ____ 2 ___ 0
5 _____ 4.4% _____ 1 ____ 0 ___ 2
5 _____ 3.3% _____ 0 ____ 1 ___ 2
5 _____ 3.3% _____ 0 ____ 1 ___ 2
6 _____ 5.7% _____ 2 ____ 1 ___ 1
6 _____ 5.5% _____ 1 ____ 2 ___ 1
6 _____ 5.3% _____ 1 ____ 1 ___ 2
8 _____ 6.7% _____ 2 ____ 2 ___ 0
8 _____ 6.4% _____ 2 ____ 0 ___ 2
9 _____ 7.5% _____ 2 ____ 2 ___ 1
9 _____ 7.3% _____ 2 ____ 1 ___ 2
9 _____ 7.1% _____ 1 ____ 2 ___ 2
10 ____ 7.0% _____ 3 ____ 0 ___ 0
10 ____ 5.1% _____ 0 ____ 3 ___ 0
10 ____ 4.4% _____ 0 ____ 0 ___ 3
11 ____ 7.9% _____ 3 ____ 1 ___ 0
11 ____ 7.8% _____ 3 ____ 0 ___ 1
11 ____ 7.1% _____ 1 ____ 3 ___ 0
11 ____ 6.4% _____ 1 ____ 0 ___ 3
11 ____ 5.9% _____ 0 ____ 3 ___ 1
11 ____ 5.3% _____ 0 ____ 1 ___ 3
11 ____ 5.3% _____ 0 ____ 1 ___ 3
12 ____ 8.7% _____ 3 ____ 1 ___ 1
12 ____ 7.9% _____ 1 ____ 3 ___ 1
12 ____ 7.3% _____ 1 ____ 1 ___ 3
12 ____ 9.1% _____ 2 ____ 2 ___ 2
14 ____ 9.7% _____ 3 ____ 2 ___ 0
14 ____ 9.4% _____ 3 ____ 0 ___ 2
14 ____ 9.1% _____ 2 ____ 3 ___ 0
14 ____ 8.4% _____ 2 ____ 0 ___ 3
14 ____ 7.5% _____ 0 ____ 3 ___ 2
15 ____ 10.5% ____ 3 ____ 2 ___ 1
15 ____ 10.3% ____ 3 ____ 1 ___ 2
15 ____ 9.9% _____ 2 ____ 3 ___ 1
15 ____ 9.5% _____ 1 ____ 3 ___ 2
15 ____ 9.3% _____ 2 ____ 1 ___ 3
15 ____ 9.1% _____ 1 ____ 2 ___ 3
18 ____ 12.1% ____ 3 ____ 2 ___ 2
18 ____ 11.5% ____ 2 ____ 3 ___ 2
18 ____ 11.1% ____ 2 ____ 2 ___ 3
20 ____ 11.0% ____ 4 ____ 0 ___ 0
20 ____ 8.1% _____ 0 ____ 4 ___ 0
20 ____ 6.8% _____ 0 ____ 0 ___ 4
20 ____ 12.1% ____ 3 ____ 3 ___ 0
20 ____ 11.4% ____ 3 ____ 0 ___ 3
20 ____ 9.5% _____ 0 ____ 3 ___ 3
21 ____ 11.9% ____ 4 ____ 1 ___ 0
21 ____ 11.8% ____ 4 ____ 0 ___ 1
21 ____ 10.1% ____ 1 ____ 4 ___ 0
21 ____ 8.9% _____ 0 ____ 4 ___ 1
21 ____ 8.8% _____ 1 ____ 0 ___ 4
21 ____ 7.7% _____ 0 ____ 1 ___ 4
21 ____ 7.7% _____ 0 ____ 1 ___ 4
21 ____ 12.9% ____ 3 ____ 3 ___ 1
21 ____ 12.3% ____ 3 ____ 1 ___ 3
21 ____ 11.5% ____ 1 ____ 3 ___ 3
22 ____ 12.7% ____ 4 ____ 1 ___ 1
22 ____ 10.9% ____ 1 ____ 4 ___ 1
22 ____ 9.7% _____ 1 ____ 1 ___ 4
24 ____ 13.7% ____ 4 ____ 2 ___ 0
24 ____ 13.4% ____ 4 ____ 0 ___ 2
24 ____ 12.1% ____ 2 ____ 4 ___ 0
24 ____ 10.8% ____ 2 ____ 0 ___ 4
24 ____ 10.5% ____ 0 ____ 4 ___ 2
24 ____ 14.5% ____ 3 ____ 3 ___ 2
24 ____ 14.1% ____ 3 ____ 2 ___ 3
24 ____ 13.5% ____ 2 ____ 3 ___ 3
25 ____ 14.5% ____ 4 ____ 2 ___ 1
25 ____ 14.3% ____ 4 ____ 1 ___ 2
25 ____ 12.9% ____ 2 ____ 4 ___ 1
25 ____ 12.5% ____ 1 ____ 4 ___ 2
25 ____ 11.7% ____ 2 ____ 1 ___ 4
25 ____ 11.5% ____ 1 ____ 2 ___ 4
28 ____ 16.1% ____ 4 ____ 2 ___ 2
28 ____ 14.5% ____ 2 ____ 4 ___ 2
28 ____ 13.5% ____ 2 ____ 2 ___ 4
30 ____ 16.1% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 0
30 ____ 15.4% ____ 4 ____ 0 ___ 3
30 ____ 15.1% ____ 3 ____ 4 ___ 0
30 ____ 13.8% ____ 3 ____ 0 ___ 4
30 ____ 12.5% ____ 0 ____ 4 ___ 3
30 ____ 11.9% ____ 0 ____ 3 ___ 4
30 ____ 16.5% ____ 3 ____ 3 ___ 3
31 ____ 16.9% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 1
31 ____ 16.3% ____ 4 ____ 1 ___ 3
31 ____ 15.9% ____ 3 ____ 4 ___ 1
31 ____ 14.7% ____ 3 ____ 1 ___ 4
31 ____ 14.5% ____ 1 ____ 4 ___ 3
31 ____ 13.9% ____ 1 ____ 3 ___ 4
34 ____ 15.0% ____ 5 ____ 0 ___ 0
34 ____ 11.6% ____ 0 ____ 5 ___ 0
34 ____ 9.6% _____ 0 ____ 0 ___ 5
34 ____ 18.5% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 2
34 ____ 18.1% ____ 4 ____ 2 ___ 3
34 ____ 17.5% ____ 3 ____ 4 ___ 2
34 ____ 16.5% ____ 3 ____ 2 ___ 4
34 ____ 16.5% ____ 2 ____ 4 ___ 3
34 ____ 15.9% ____ 2 ____ 3 ___ 4
35 ____ 15.9% ____ 5 ____ 1 ___ 0
35 ____ 15.8% ____ 5 ____ 0 ___ 1
35 ____ 13.6% ____ 1 ____ 5 ___ 0
35 ____ 12.4% ____ 0 ____ 5 ___ 1
35 ____ 11.6% ____ 1 ____ 0 ___ 5
35 ____ 10.5% ____ 0 ____ 1 ___ 5
35 ____ 10.5% ____ 0 ____ 1 ___ 5
36 ____ 16.7% ____ 5 ____ 1 ___ 1
36 ____ 14.4% ____ 1 ____ 5 ___ 1
36 ____ 12.5% ____ 1 ____ 1 ___ 5
38 ____ 17.7% ____ 5 ____ 2 ___ 0
38 ____ 17.4% ____ 5 ____ 0 ___ 2
38 ____ 15.6% ____ 2 ____ 5 ___ 0
38 ____ 14.0% ____ 0 ____ 5 ___ 2
38 ____ 13.6% ____ 2 ____ 0 ___ 5
39 ____ 18.5% ____ 5 ____ 2 ___ 1
39 ____ 18.3% ____ 5 ____ 1 ___ 2
39 ____ 16.4% ____ 2 ____ 5 ___ 1
39 ____ 16.0% ____ 1 ____ 5 ___ 2
39 ____ 14.5% ____ 2 ____ 1 ___ 5
39 ____ 14.3% ____ 1 ____ 2 ___ 5
40 ____ 19.1% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 0
40 ____ 17.8% ____ 4 ____ 0 ___ 4
40 ____ 14.9% ____ 0 ____ 4 ___ 4
40 ____ 20.5% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 3
40 ____ 19.5% ____ 3 ____ 4 ___ 3
40 ____ 18.9% ____ 3 ____ 3 ___ 4
41 ____ 19.9% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 1
41 ____ 18.7% ____ 4 ____ 1 ___ 4
41 ____ 16.9% ____ 1 ____ 4 ___ 4
42 ____ 20.1% ____ 5 ____ 2 ___ 2
42 ____ 18.0% ____ 2 ____ 5 ___ 2
42 ____ 16.3% ____ 2 ____ 2 ___ 5
44 ____ 20.1% ____ 5 ____ 3 ___ 0
44 ____ 19.4% ____ 5 ____ 0 ___ 3
44 ____ 18.6% ____ 3 ____ 5 ___ 0
44 ____ 16.6% ____ 3 ____ 0 ___ 5
44 ____ 16.0% ____ 0 ____ 5 ___ 3
44 ____ 14.7% ____ 0 ____ 3 ___ 5
44 ____ 21.5% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 2
44 ____ 20.5% ____ 4 ____ 2 ___ 4
44 ____ 18.9% ____ 2 ____ 4 ___ 4
45 ____ 20.9% ____ 5 ____ 3 ___ 1
45 ____ 20.3% ____ 5 ____ 1 ___ 3
45 ____ 19.4% ____ 3 ____ 5 ___ 1
45 ____ 18.0% ____ 1 ____ 5 ___ 3
45 ____ 17.5% ____ 3 ____ 1 ___ 5
45 ____ 16.7% ____ 1 ____ 3 ___ 5
48 ____ 22.5% ____ 5 ____ 3 ___ 2
48 ____ 22.1% ____ 5 ____ 2 ___ 3
48 ____ 21.0% ____ 3 ____ 5 ___ 2
48 ____ 20.0% ____ 2 ____ 5 ___ 3
48 ____ 19.3% ____ 3 ____ 2 ___ 5
48 ____ 18.7% ____ 2 ____ 3 ___ 5
50 ____ 23.5% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 3
50 ____ 22.9% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 4
50 ____ 21.9% ____ 3 ____ 4 ___ 4
54 ____ 23.1% ____ 5 ____ 4 ___ 0
54 ____ 22.6% ____ 4 ____ 5 ___ 0
54 ____ 21.8% ____ 5 ____ 0 ___ 4
54 ____ 20.6% ____ 4 ____ 0 ___ 5
54 ____ 18.4% ____ 0 ____ 5 ___ 4
54 ____ 17.7% ____ 0 ____ 4 ___ 5
54 ____ 24.5% ____ 5 ____ 3 ___ 3
54 ____ 23.0% ____ 3 ____ 5 ___ 3
54 ____ 21.7% ____ 3 ____ 3 ___ 5
55 ____ 23.9% ____ 5 ____ 4 ___ 1
55 ____ 23.4% ____ 4 ____ 5 ___ 1
55 ____ 22.7% ____ 5 ____ 1 ___ 4
55 ____ 21.5% ____ 4 ____ 1 ___ 5
55 ____ 20.4% ____ 1 ____ 5 ___ 4
55 ____ 19.7% ____ 1 ____ 4 ___ 5
58 ____ 25.5% ____ 5 ____ 4 ___ 2
58 ____ 25.0% ____ 4 ____ 5 ___ 2
58 ____ 24.5% ____ 5 ____ 2 ___ 4
58 ____ 23.3% ____ 4 ____ 2 ___ 5
58 ____ 22.4% ____ 2 ____ 5 ___ 4
58 ____ 21.7% ____ 2 ____ 4 ___ 5
60 ____ 25.9% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 4
64 ____ 27.5% ____ 5 ____ 4 ___ 3
64 ____ 27.0% ____ 4 ____ 5 ___ 3
64 ____ 26.9% ____ 5 ____ 3 ___ 4
64 ____ 25.7% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 5
64 ____ 25.4% ____ 3 ____ 5 ___ 4
64 ____ 24.7% ____ 3 ____ 4 ___ 5
68 ____ 26.6% ____ 5 ____ 5 ___ 0
68 ____ 24.6% ____ 5 ____ 0 ___ 5
68 ____ 21.2% ____ 0 ____ 5 ___ 5
69 ____ 27.4% ____ 5 ____ 5 ___ 1
69 ____ 25.5% ____ 5 ____ 1 ___ 5
69 ____ 23.2% ____ 1 ____ 5 ___ 5
72 ____ 29.0% ____ 5 ____ 5 ___ 2
72 ____ 27.3% ____ 5 ____ 2 ___ 5
72 ____ 25.2% ____ 2 ____ 5 ___ 5
74 ____ 29.9% ____ 5 ____ 4 ___ 4
74 ____ 29.4% ____ 4 ____ 5 ___ 4
74 ____ 28.7% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 5
78 ____ 31.0% ____ 5 ____ 5 ___ 3
78 ____ 29.7% ____ 5 ____ 3 ___ 5
78 ____ 28.2% ____ 3 ____ 5 ___ 5
88 ____ 33.4% ____ 5 ____ 5 ___ 4
88 ____ 32.7% ____ 5 ____ 4 ___ 5
88 ____ 32.2% ____ 4 ____ 5 ___ 5

For what it's worth I tried out a few of the combination around 40 points and it seemed to be accurate.

I think it's from the VN boards...

 

[Bubble]

Cheers zebolt
100% what i needed

 

[Sycho]

Acuity 5 is better than mom 5 for a non debuffing nuker, but if you assist a debuffer often then mom 5 would be better however bare in mind acuity 5 also is 60-80% more power pool but acuity doesn't adjust caps like master of magery, it makes you hit noticeably more nearer to them though.That table says the exact master of magery increase percentage but it doesn't work like that unless you are a debuff nuker, never the less still good table.

 

[willowywicca]

I personally did tests on combinations of: AA3 mom5, aa4 mom4, aa5 mom3 (and also aa5 mom5 for reference even tho I wouldn't spec that as too costly).

aa5 mom3 is worst, aa4 mom4 is marginally less than mom5 aa3, at a saving of 4 pts, and an increase in power pool from more acuity. settled on aa4 mom4 in the end, the power pool increase from aa4 is *really* nice (I'm getting 40 pow per tick from fops atm, and only got 19% power in template)

 

[TiwiS]

very nice list there

 

[Gelid]

The table doesn't seem to consider the effects of increased dex etc so doesn't look at dps, which is probably the most important thing you should be looking at if you're looking at, excepting power of course :>

http://mortal.peril.org/jack/daoc/dmgcalc.html

 

[Zebolt]

The table doesn't seem to consider the effects of increased dex etc so doesn't look at dps, which is probably the most important thing you should be looking at if you're looking at, excepting power of course :>

http://mortal.peril.org/jack/daoc/dmgcalc.html

Dex is irrelevant in that table. Dex has nothing to do with the dmg output per strike which this table are showing.

 

[Sycho]

Zebolt gone aa 4 mom 4 wp 4 dex 3?xD

 

[Ilum]

Dex is irrelevant in that table. Dex has nothing to do with the dmg output per strike which this table are showing.

I think the point was that it would be even better to see the DPS, cause thats what matters at the end of the day

 

[Zebolt]

I think the point was that it would be even better to see the DPS, cause thats what matters at the end of the day

But you can't do that with one table since you have to count in all the different spells with different dmg type, speed and value. And if you really wanna be picky you have to count in the realm aswell

 

[Zebolt]

Zebolt gone aa 4 mom 4 wp 4 dex 3?xD

Not rly.. but mom 4, wp 3, aa 3 and dex 3. Thinking of changing mom 4 to dex 4 but Im quite happy with my spec atm :>

 

[Zebolt]

http://mortal.peril.org/jack/daoc/dmgcalc.html

That calc seems to be flawed tho cuz' I have a higher dmg cap than it says and I've put in my exact stats..

 

[Equendil]

The sad thing is it takes like 4 realm ranks worth of RAs to get the same kind of bonus three relics give for 'free', unless you hit for cap or something.

Not that I can complain about that atm

 

[Maeloch]

Guessing a lot of peeps not bothering with MoC with these lvls of passives...

Afaik:

- Dex gives roughly 1.5% DPS every 10 points dex.
- Int gives roughly 1.5% DPS every 10 points int (till you hit cap).
- MoM does exactly what it sez to DPS
- WP increases DPS equal to the increased chance of crit multipled by 0.25

Only things not 100% sure of are the first two, but easy enuff to test the effect of int and dex via some quality time with ur bot.

Feed all the above into Excel spreadsheet can soon work out best DPS. From what I can see aug dex and int have much less effect on damage output than MoM and WP, but shoot me down if u figure things different (i've not done the testing here, so secondhand numbers) .

Don't think it's just a pure numbers game anyhow, some peeps might want to bump up cast speed or increase damage spikes via crits even with an overall loss of DPS compared to other RA setups.

Anyhoows, got Wild Minion 5 atm for some new tempate PvE and it doth rock very much with 3 str relics. cu u lot when i'm done.

Mael, 50th ment.

 

[Aldrick]

I think the point was that it would be even better to see the DPS, cause thats what matters at the end of the day

Not really since what u want as a caster is frontload, u wanna make as much damage possible per hit so that u need to nuke less times on the person, if u need 3 nukes instead of four it negates the bonus u would get from nuking faster with aug dex. But ofc, a bit of everything is best even if u focus on more damage.

 

[Foadon]

DPS would be false DPS too, since u can always get interrupted or smt, so better to look at dmg increase instead of dps, its handy ofc if u stay free all the time

 

[Ilum]

Of course caster DPS relies on being free to nuke, unless you have MoC. Still aug dex will increase your DPS.

What I want as a caster is doing damage fast enough to be able to kill targets. So even a pure nuker should take cast speed into the calculation when planning a template to do as much damage as possible.

 

[Zebolt]

What I want as a caster is doing damage fast enough to be able to kill targets. So even a pure nuker should take cast speed into the calculation when planning a template to do as much damage as possible.

Yes, but if you do more dmg per nuke you might gain speed even if you have a slower nukes since you get targets down in lesser nukes etc, so dps isn't allways good..

 

[Ilum]

and some times the faster nuke will kill faster...not like you can predict that. Most people try to get 26 dex cap before 26 int cap tho, maybe for a reason When you take mom, wp etc high you start getting diminishing returns, at some point aug dex will be better for taking targets down fast. Would be possible to determine if table showed it, but it doesn't :/

As well as that, dex helps for everything else you cast (which is nice if you are using more than 1 button )

 

[Zebolt]

and some times the faster nuke will kill faster...not like you can predict that.

No we can't predict that, but I for one don't usually get to stand alone nuking without anyone interrupting me in any way long enough to get cast time in favour.

When you take mom, wp etc high you start getting diminishing returns, at some point aug dex will be better for taking targets down fast. Would be possible to determine if table showed it, but it doesn't :/

You can't rly include that in a table like this one since it depends on how long you will be able to nuke without interruption. ^^
So it depends on situation to situation..

As well as that, dex helps for everything else you cast (which is nice if you are using more than 1 button )

But now the topic were "Caster RA's for damage" and not how dex effects your abilities :>

 

[Ilum]

But faster cast speed can sometimes mean you're able to nuke 1 more nuke without getting interrupted as well?

 

[Zebolt]

But faster cast speed can sometimes mean you're able to nuke 1 more nuke without getting interrupted as well?

Sometimes yes, but I prefer to go with the most usual

 

[Ilum]

It's an even race all the time.

No we can't predict that, but I for one don't usually get to stand alone nuking without anyone interrupting me in any way long enough to get cast time in favour.

This is just not true, cast speed affects damage equally much throughout the entire period of a nuke session.

You just want good screenshot and Sycho quotes, admit it ;/

 

[Illtar]

It's an even race all the time.



This is just not true, cast speed affects damage equally much throughout the entire period of a nuke session.

You just want good screenshot and Sycho quotes, admit it ;/

haha


wish i could find the quote from Zebolt where he says that pet casters are insecure ppl, though