Call of Duty cited for the death of a preteen

[Wazzerphuk]

One of the points that needs to be understood is that each generation always says stuff like "what we were exposed to at a young age is nothing as bad..."

This is just simply not true. It's your perception and cultural values that dictate that kind of stuff. Hell, kids growing up until the 70s/80s would have all seen everyone smoking, it was cool, it was even deemed healthy. That kind of stuff is far worse (in my opinion), and even that is simply opinion. There isn't a severity of inappropriation that is fixed, it constantly fluctuates with society's values.

 

[Scouse]

Aged 9, I watched Driller Killer, I spit on your grave, night of the demon, all the sick sick and soon banned betamax vids, and they had absolutely no impact on me at all, and it would be same for almost everyone else.

As did I. I think it's fairly well established that they never "convert" people into psychopaths. It's the other way around - if you're a psychopath then you may be attracted to them...

...and killing people.

 

[Tom]

I'm 39 and have been playing computer games since I was eight years old. I distinctly remember watching some low-rent zombie film at my mate's house, with his mum present, when I was about 10. This was on VHS (my mate was the first person I know to have a video recorder). We used to play cowboys and indians. I threw half a brick at Martin Oxley and split his scalp in two. A mate of mine threw a knife at another mate's head (fortunately it hit his forehead handle first).

Kids will be kids. If I'd had access to a gun I have no doubt I'd have taken it somewhere quiet and tried to fire it. The A-Team fired guns all the time and nobody died.

I also remember finding porn magazines in bushes (I grew up next to a paper mill). I don't think I've ever raped anyone though.

 

[Scouse]

I don't think I've ever raped anyone though.

Not recently...

 

[throdgrain]

I nicked my Dads .22 bullets, pulled the bullet off the end of the cartridge, took the gunpowder out and used it to fuel home made rockets.

That always blew up

 

[Wazzerphuk]

I'm 39 and have been playing computer games since I was eight years old. I distinctly remember watching some low-rent zombie film at my mate's house, with his mum present, when I was about 10. This was on VHS (my mate was the first person I know to have a video recorder). We used to play cowboys and indians. I threw half a brick at Martin Oxley and split his scalp in two. A mate of mine threw a knife at another mate's head (fortunately it hit his forehead handle first).

Kids will be kids. If I'd had access to a gun I have no doubt I'd have taken it somewhere quiet and tried to fire it. The A-Team fired guns all the time and nobody died.

I also remember finding porn magazines in bushes (I grew up next to a paper mill). I don't think I've ever raped anyone though.

It looks like you've turned into Alan Partridge. That could almost be lifted from his autobiography.

 

[Bahumat]

Tom has a very valid point.
I farted next to a Jewish girl at work and unfortunately she passed out, but that does not make me a nazi?!

P.s. my pillows at home are a bit flat so I did shave her hair to give them a boost!

 

[Tom]

It looks like you've turned into Alan Partridge. That could almost be lifted from his autobiography.

Needless to say, I had the last laugh.

 

[Wij]

We used to fire air rifles at each other as kids. Call of Duty did not cause this. The fact that boys love violent fun did.

Home made nunchuk fights also fucking hurt.

 

[DaGaffer]

We used to fire air rifles at each other as kids. Call of Duty did not cause this. The fact that boys love violent fun did.

Home made nunchuk fights also fucking hurt.

I once got an air-rifle ricochet right in the eye when me and a mate were daring each other to stand in front of a target. Spot on about the nunchuks, and me and my little brother once caused a visit from the police because we were fighting with swords (real ones) in the street and the neighbours reported us. And if pop culture takes any blame for that, it would be Lord of The Rings, Michael Moorcock, and Bruce Lee movies.

 

[Scouse]

Home made nunchuk fights also fucking hurt.

That's Bruce Lee's fault, obviously.


If Bruce wasn't about you'd have had to play hurty-hurty stick-stick. Or something.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Let's put it this way; if we had violent video games of modern days in our youth, jack from next door might still have his eye due to our "games" and Jill would never have gotten pregnant out of boredom.

 

[Wij]

Without Bruce Lee films all kids from the 70s would be GAY !

 

[caLLous]

Kindergarten boy brings heroin to show and tell

Which game shall we pin the blame on for this one?

 

[TdC]

Actually Teedles you make a lot of sense. I missed out a crucial word some children dont see the difference.

indeedy, the ones with issues and/or shitforbrains parents. I'm aware that some kids are lost causes, but imo everything else is parents parents parents with environment being a very shady 4th place. imo ofc.

The child I am talking about (with the knife incident) is suspected to have had access to these games since he was 4, amongst other things. But there are others -lots of them -maybe it is because of an increase in poorer parenting, shit american tv programs, explicit pop videos, gangsta culture, less family values? i dont know why we have more children acting out these distressing violent behaviours, but it is not just boys being boys.

my friends kid is three. she's likes to play a Dora game. She loves Dora. there are also zombie shooter games potentially available to her, but she doesn't play them. also, her dad doesn't play them until she's gone to bed. I think her parents are on the right track with slowly exposing her to computers / the internet / etc. tbh, a child of 6 or so going to a current school who doesn't know about such things will stand out. Actually, what deeply disturbs me is that her parents let her play nekkid in a public fountain here in the city with other kids, while surrounded by adults, whereas I probably wouldn't bat an eyelid if she watched her dad play said zombie game slaughtering zombies with a chainsaw (if the concept of the game was properly explained to her).

And we are a similar age TDC, so unless you were into some wierd shit- what we were exposed to at a young age is nothing as bad as what is currently bombarding my kids 24/7 (at aged 7 and 10) and yes it is my job, as a responsible parent to filter this and talk to them about it all.

yeah it is your job (and by you I mean every parent on the planet) to do the right thing. it's a hard job, and it will only get harder. kids are really frigging smart, and they will probably do their utmost to wiggle around parental control. hell, I did that, for sure and I watched / did / created my share of funky stuff. that's a good thing though, and imo the important thing is that before / after they push the envelop once again they have a decent parental cushion to fall back on and that means active parenting, being on the ball and knowing what your kids are up to. it doesn't mean sticking your kids in front of a playstation to play a 16+ game at 7 years old because mummy/daddy are busy or have more important things to do than bringing up their kids. tough titties.







(that said I'm hella glad I don't have kids )

 

[Scouse]

what deeply disturbs me is that her parents let her play nekkid in a public fountain here in the city with other kids

Don't see a problem with that as long as she's supervised and her parents haven't just wandered off into a shop. People worry about paedo's too much.

 

[TdC]

I know, I know. and if she were 20 and wanted to dally nekkid in my back garden with her lady friends I'd be all for it! her parents actually make jokes about this at my expense

 

[DaGaffer]

my friends kid is three. she's likes to play a Dora game. She loves Dora.

I fucking loathe Dora. I think I'd prefer my daughter to play the zombie game. On the other hand, I could watch Peppa and Ben & Holly all day.

 

[Cemeterygates]

No,

Actually they don't.

It's not (and to my knowledge ever has been) illegal to supply alcohol or cigarettes to your own children, so long as (in the case of alcohol) the child is over the age of five years old.

It's only illegal if the child buys it themselves.

No, it is an offence to supply underage kids with alcohol and cigs!

 

[Fweddy]

It is not illegal for a person under 18 to drink alcohol at home or at a friend’s house. Parents can choose to give young people some of their own alcohol when at home.

From http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/parents/yourchildshealthandsafety/worriedabout/dg_10026211

 

[Cemeterygates]

Doesn't apply to cigs and buying random kids outside the offie a 6 pack.

 

[Deebs]

From http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/parents/yourchildshealthandsafety/worriedabout/dg_10026211

If someone is over the alcohol limit, they could be arrested even if they are not driving or trying to drive. For example, a person could be arrested if they are over the alcohol limit and in possession of car keys, if their car is nearby.

What the fuck? What if I am pissed and walking past my car to a taxi rank or train station (or it could be parked in a side street etc)

 

[Scouse]

It also counts if you decide to sleep in your car if you're pissed rather than drive home. The rozzers will nick you.

TBH - the offence should be drink driving, not "might drink drive in the future" or "has the potential to drink drive"...

 

[TdC]

time to implement the Thought Crime Police!!!

 

[DaGaffer]

It also counts if you decide to sleep in your car if you're pissed rather than drive home. The rozzers will nick you.

TBH - the offence should be drink driving, not "might drink drive in the future" or "has the potential to drink drive"...

The way around that is to put the keys up the exhaust pipe. And I don't think the offence is drink-driving, pretty sure there's another description they use for it.

 

[Tom]

What the fuck? What if I am pissed and walking past my car to a taxi rank or train station (or it could be parked in a side street etc)

It's fairly sensible, the aim is to prevent an accident, not to criminalise someone for being pissed and being near their car with keys. That situation can easily arise in a pub car park, for instance.

Sleeping in your car, while over the limit, is a strict no-no. If you're going to do that, stash the keys outside the car in the nearest bush or something.

 

[BloodOmen]

What the fuck? What if I am pissed and walking past my car to a taxi rank or train station (or it could be parked in a side street etc)

If that happens Deebs a mystical leprechaun will appear in a government enforcer outfit and bum you over a traffic cone.

 

[Deebs]

It's fairly sensible, the aim is to prevent an accident, not to criminalise someone for being pissed and being near their car with keys. That situation can easily arise in a pub car park, for instance.

Sleeping in your car, while over the limit, is a strict no-no. If you're going to do that, stash the keys outside the car in the nearest bush or something.

What type of accident? That I might fall over and stab myself with my car keys? Sometimes a few of us drive a car to Farnham, dump it nearby, then get a cab home. Under the eyes of the law the driver could be nicked for drink driving whilst walking past it to the taxi rank. Bollox.

 

[Tom]

No, the type of accident that comes from the sort of scumbag who doesn't mind driving when pissed. That same sort of person doesn't just materialise in their car while drunk, as if they were the unfortunate victim of a Star Trek transporter malfunction.

"What if" scenarios are all very well, but I doubt you could demonstrate that these laws are used to criminalise law-abiding people rather than catch scumbags staggering toward their vehicles.

 

[caLLous]

The way around that is to put the keys up the exhaust pipe. And I don't think the offence is drink-driving, pretty sure there's another description they use for it.

I think it's "being drunk in charge of a vehicle" or something similar; the guy in the BT adverts got done for it last year. Well, that and refusing to take the breath test properly.