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whats stats on scout legs? no piccy of it 
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i see Kemor on your friends list, did he help u guys with the 'bugged' horsemen, Apoc too spawn etc?
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Galewyr Dark
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nope kemor only made his presence known after we had all died.
And all the mobs spawned perfectly while we were inside, nothing buggy at all with any of them...apart from the cheap skate one that didn't drop
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And all the mobs spawned perfectly while we were inside, nothing buggy at all with any of them...apart from the cheap skate one that didn't drop
-Gale
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Re: Re: DROP 9
lol! yes because its that easy to collect
oh yer ill jsut got farm cear sidi for some armour! hehe
lol! yes because its that easy to collect
oh yer ill jsut got farm cear sidi for some armour!
hehe
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Originally posted by Galewyr Dark
Drops went to the following guilds.
Only happened a few mins ago and i forget alrdy
GK: Azure Silencer Fang and the Colbat Doomwarder
PL:Necro Staff and reaver arms, Necro Boots
LOE:Small War-forged Sheild, Cabby Staff
GOP:Clerics Gloves and Cloak
SOTL:Friar Robe, Cabby Robe
OOKT:Scout Legs [Mysteh ones]Mercenary Sword
TDS:Fate Gavel, Cleric Hammer
TR:Reaver Hauberk, Banes Ring
SB:Armsman Legs, Lute
Now i think thats right
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Thanks Gale for a very well led raid - was a fun event. <bows>
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Oh god, a Sidi lute? CBA to load screenies at college, k!
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Garaen
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Re: Re: Re: DROP 9
3fg can get to the Horsemen and can kill the first two without many problems, and can kill all 4 if they are lucky. So yes it is possible to farm Sidi a few times a week, it is unlikely you will get a full set of Sidi armor, but it is possible if you are willing to put the time effort and money into collecting it.
Originally posted by Heffer
lol! yes because its that easy to collect
oh yer ill jsut got farm cear sidi for some armour!
3fg can get to the Horsemen and can kill the first two without many problems, and can kill all 4 if they are lucky. So yes it is possible to farm Sidi a few times a week, it is unlikely you will get a full set of Sidi armor, but it is possible if you are willing to put the time effort and money into collecting it.
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There are two lessons we can learn from this trip:
1) we can do it (at least before 1.59)
2) People need to have more patience.
We started off with about 120 people, but by the time we got to Apoc, it had dropped to around 80 after people got bored and logged. If those people had a little more patience, we would have won.
But it does show that apoc is possible. We shoudl arrange another trip in the near future.
1) we can do it (at least before 1.59)
2) People need to have more patience.
We started off with about 120 people, but by the time we got to Apoc, it had dropped to around 80 after people got bored and logged. If those people had a little more patience, we would have won.
But it does show that apoc is possible. We shoudl arrange another trip in the near future.
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Coren
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And
3) Fairer loot distribution.
/em hides
3) Fairer loot distribution.
/em hides
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Meatballs
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Yes I didn't get any loot.
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Originally posted by Coren
And
3) Fairer loot distribution.
/em hides
Yeah go on hide !!! looks fair to me, all guilds got atleast two drops, whats wrong with that.....
/em safely puts Drop.6 in her minstrel's vault.
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Complaint I heard basically consisted of smaller guilds getting as much as bigger guilds, I.E 6 people guilds got 2 drops and so did 25 people guilds for example.
I can see why, thats why I think character based lotto is better tbh in some respects.
I can see why, thats why I think character based lotto is better tbh in some respects.
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I think Yussef summed it up nicely.
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Galewyr Dark
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umm....i don't
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So theoretically if guild A brought 25 tanks and guild B brought 6 cleric...A would get more drops than them? simple because we had more numbers and not the ever useful cleric?
anyway it doesn't matter..Yussef wasn't on the hunt [no offence Yussef but u weren't] and it was my hunt thus go by my rules.
I invite people to run their own hunts..its a great thing to do except for all the bitching that happens at the end.
As i said at the time coren..if u didn't like the rules you should have piped up [u piped up at the end as i remeber...correct me if i am wrong here]..it was upto representatives to agree to the rules and agree they did...so blame derric if u didn't like them...but those were the rules and i wasn't gonna change the rules after they were agreed to by EVERYONE else...even LoE who brought the most people.
As I said also during the CG when i get a while i will post the rules i used on the hunt on the inter alliance boards for discussion..i expect you to respond 1st
-Gale
PS- My rules are like that becuase i don't like the persoanl loto...simply fill a raid with lots of people who do nowt and ur almost guarenteed any drop you like, but thats me...and my hunts will be carried out under those rules.in the current form or slightly modified depending on the hunt.
PPS- Apologises for all my typos
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So theoretically if guild A brought 25 tanks and guild B brought 6 cleric...A would get more drops than them? simple because we had more numbers and not the ever useful cleric?
anyway it doesn't matter..Yussef wasn't on the hunt [no offence Yussef but u weren't] and it was my hunt thus go by my rules.
I invite people to run their own hunts..its a great thing to do except for all the bitching that happens at the end.
As i said at the time coren..if u didn't like the rules you should have piped up [u piped up at the end as i remeber...correct me if i am wrong here]..it was upto representatives to agree to the rules and agree they did...so blame derric if u didn't like them...but those were the rules and i wasn't gonna change the rules after they were agreed to by EVERYONE else...even LoE who brought the most people.
As I said also during the CG when i get a while i will post the rules i used on the hunt on the inter alliance boards for discussion..i expect you to respond 1st
-Gale
PS- My rules are like that becuase i don't like the persoanl loto...simply fill a raid with lots of people who do nowt and ur almost guarenteed any drop you like, but thats me...and my hunts will be carried out under those rules.in the current form or slightly modified depending on the hunt.
PPS- Apologises for all my typos
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I know, I know. Not blaming you, just adding a lesson that Visit forgot to mention.
As far as I know, most LoE and SotL there expected fair loot rules, so didn't bother asking. But it's your raid, your rules. Just some internal communication problem that made us unaware of it. So we can't do anything else than agree this time.
Just added the lesson because you won't see any SotL (can't speak for LoE) there next time if it's the same rules. And that would be a shame, since the raid itself had the potential of beating Apoc.
As far as I know, most LoE and SotL there expected fair loot rules, so didn't bother asking. But it's your raid, your rules. Just some internal communication problem that made us unaware of it. So we can't do anything else than agree this time.
Just added the lesson because you won't see any SotL (can't speak for LoE) there next time if it's the same rules. And that would be a shame, since the raid itself had the potential of beating Apoc.
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Should be up to every guild to bring balanced groups ideally I can see why people would find it unfair; I know I would. THough if the rules were all stated in advance I can't see why people would complain afterwards
I can see why people would find it unfair; I know I would. THough if the rules were all stated in advance I can't see why people would complain afterwards
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Tis a shame then - that you MUST join a big guild if you wish to recieve drops from an alliance hunt.
I for one never want to be part of a big guild again, you miss out on all that personal touch. Just my 2p worth
I for one never want to be part of a big guild again, you miss out on all that personal touch. Just my 2p worth
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What happened to doing a big hunt just for fun? or maybe to be the first on the server to do so? i think Galewyr has a reasonably good way of drop distribution, but both points have good reasons..
However i think many people in this realm are just out for themselves and can be selfish when it comes to drops! Coren i have nothing against you mate, maybe you should do a Cear Sidi hunt though and see how the rules you'd prefer would go down with people?
just a thought
However i think many people in this realm are just out for themselves and can be selfish when it comes to drops! Coren i have nothing against you mate, maybe you should do a Cear Sidi hunt though and see how the rules you'd prefer would go down with people?
just a thought
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But you chaps wouldn't be able to do it alone ... I take it you'd be happier with not joining the raid and, of course, getting no loot then?
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I would of been there but i LD died cos we didnt stop soon enough for a relog/reconnect break
But it was a good raid (of what i saw of it)
Wd Gale!
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Oh and i agree with Coren, LoE had 3 or 4 full groups where as some smaller guilds had 1 fg.. seems a little unfair but i guess thats the rules
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wow, such high utility drops!
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can you say exactly what you did when you triggered the horsemen encounter...
on excal we said "yes", fames said some stuff, then the horse came over and the fight seemed to start...
but suddenly it stopped
on excal we said "yes", fames said some stuff, then the horse came over and the fight seemed to start...
but suddenly it stopped
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True, but just because you are in a bigger guild you shouldn't have a smaller chance for a drop aswell.
A guild that gets 2 drops and only brought 6 people, will have a 1/3 chance to get one, while the guild that brought 24 and only got 2 drops, will have a 1/12 chance. When I say 'fair', I actually mean 'fair'. Fair to both big and small guilds.I join 2-3 Sidi raids per week, first few times I might have done it for fun aswell, but right now it's just item farming.
And again, read what I wrote above, I just want everyone on the raid to have the same chance of a drop, not that small guilds get relatively more. If that's selfish, then so be it.3fg are able to get all the drops in Sidi, except for the ones that drop from Apoc and the Horsemen. So yes, I'd be happier to stick to the other 2-3 raids where I do have the same chance as everyone else to get a drop.
Anyway, like I said: can't change anything about it and I won't try. We should've known the rules before we started and due to our own fault we didn't. Too bad for us, won't happen again.
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Guild aligence should just be negated for large hunts and done on a per-class basis.
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Well the fact that the loot distribution wasn't communicated to you Coren is not Gale's fault, but rather a failing within your own guild. With that in mind I would have just shut up rather than moan about it starting a discussion here which frankly doesn't belong. Gale was perfectly clear about how loot would be split beforehand, organised the raid, and then divided the loot accordingly.
Naturally, since trolling is all I do now, I am going to add my own comments about Gombur not mentioning before a dragon raid he ran (I think it was the Dragon, though I may be wrong) that of the 4 uber drops we got, one would go to him for organising (ho hum, ok I suppose) and one would then go to his guild, SotL strangely enough, because... errr.... because they, err...... actually I don't think we ever found out exactly why that 2nd drop went to SotL while the last 2 were lottoed... oh... with SotL in the lotto for them too, I believe.......
Basically stop being loot whores anyway, and if you don't like the way loot is split by a raid organiser you should not go on one of their raids again.
Naturally, since trolling is all I do now, I am going to add my own comments about Gombur not mentioning before a dragon raid he ran (I think it was the Dragon, though I may be wrong) that of the 4 uber drops we got, one would go to him for organising (ho hum, ok I suppose) and one would then go to his guild, SotL strangely enough, because... errr.... because they, err...... actually I don't think we ever found out exactly why that 2nd drop went to SotL while the last 2 were lottoed... oh... with SotL in the lotto for them too, I believe.......
Basically stop being loot whores anyway, and if you don't like the way loot is split by a raid organiser you should not go on one of their raids again.
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I know you're able to read, just try to actually do so before commenting next time.
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you mean this, I assume:
Originally posted by Coren
Anyway, like I said: can't change anything about it and I won't try. We should've known the rules before we started and due to our own fault we didn't. Too bad for us, won't happen again.
by which I either infer either you are restating the fact that you should have been told about the loot split by one of your guildies in advance or that you won't be participating in one of Gale's raids. That is not really what I was getting at. The reasons you disagree with the loot split are perfectly valid, but I don't think it is right to bring the complaint and discussion about it to this thread where Gale is just informing people what the end result was. It leads to undue arguments which will only serve to put people off organising raids in the future.
I personally think that that Gale's method of loot split is a good one for some reasons, bad for the reasons you've given. I think that if all raids gave the majority of the drops to the big guilds simply because they can field 4 FGs when others may only field 1 will only serve to promote the idea that you must be in a big uber guild to stand a chance of getting nice items, which in turn may lead to more of a shift towards everyone thinking they need to join one of the biggest guilds to stand a chance. The way Gale has organised this raid stands up for itself as a shining example of how smaller guilds can both participate in and profit from large raids like this.
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I heard a complaint, it was not my complaint.
I do much more raids in Sidi than most people
If you want every guild to receive something, do it % wise or something.
I heard a complaint, it was not my complaint.
I do much more raids in Sidi than most people
If you want every guild to receive something, do it % wise or something.
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The darkside beckons all
The message in this thread is, if you can organise a better raid, do it!
Gombur, I think, stopped the dragon hunts because of all the post-raid bitching. And if it continues to happen now, Galewyr or anyone else who leads raids will quit also.
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