bye camlann

[Yoshimo]

As those of you who know me will know, i'm Irish.
recently a new guild started on camlann <IRA> it is a guild made by the italian players on our english server. to them the name means "Anger".
to us the name symbolizes a history of war, hatred and pain.
I tried contacting members of this guild to express my distaste at the name they had chosen, maybe on an italian server it would be ok. I was met with the disregard I have come to expect from these players and eventually I gave up on the idea of appealing to their sense of human decency. I decided to take my problems up the ladder a step to the only other people who could help: rightnow.
although people complain about them all the time, I have generally had good experience with them before. after almost a week they eventually made a response:

camlann guild:< IRA>

Discussion Thread
Customer (Robert ALEXANDER) 10/03/2006 03:48 PM
hi,
I regret your decision on the matter. although I am sure they were unaware of what the name stands for to an Irish player i'm sure you can understand why I would have a problem playing for or against players with this guild name. I play this game to have fun, not to remind myself of the terrible history of my country and anytime I see a member of this guild it just reminds me of the loss my country has sustained.
For this reason I will be choosing not to renew my account, I hope the rest of your irish customer base on camlann can see past this and continue to play.
thanks for your investigation and all previous help to continue improving the quality of the server.

Response (CM) 10/03/2006 03:29 PM
Hello again,
THe guildname IRA is not considered to be in violation of our naming policy and will not be changed. Ira is an Italian word meaning 'anger' or 'wrath' whilst the abbreviation for the Irish Republican Army is I.R.A.

Yours sincerely,
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European Dark Age of Camelot Community Manager

Customer (Robert ALEXANDER) 10/02/2006 03:30 PM
Apologies for being pushy. I just really am upset about the whole situation.

Response (CM_EN) 10/02/2006 10:33 AM
Hello,

Thank you for your update.

We are aware of what the IRA is thank you.

Yours sincerely,
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European Dark Age of Camelot Community Manager

so this is goodbye camlann, I will not be renewing my subscription,
thanks for all the fun times and great fights

 

[Novac]

thats dumn :/ sad to see u go. bye bye Cetus ! have fun what ever u do

-Cavas

 

[old.windforce]

really sucks to have to quit for a reason like this

altough i am not Irish i understand your motive in reporting and the reaction of Rightnow flabbergasts me.

gl and thanks for the good fights i had with you

/cheers

 

[kindrid]

if mvv renew`s i`d probobly leave my self ... cant stand his cleric .. but blackflames the reason is kinda silly not that they named like this to offend you or any irish folk.

 

[Yoshimo]

if i named a guild "Al quida" even if it meant something in irish do u think they would let me keep the name on US servers? do you think they would find it less offensive because its irish?

 

[kindrid]

i think only about my self just maybe i am selfish prick tbh i dont care that some irish died wtf Qlu Qlu`s clan did to africans ^_^ neither that many people died when the plain crushed in the buildings, neither that johanka is a brainless baby dick suckling, i am happy all that matters . Your situation here is kinda simular with one wich happened while i was traveling in england went to mark and spenser super market ... a female cursed that there is no place to park her bycicle.. next thing she catches me and tell that tommrow she gonna sue the market and she needs a whitnes coz she hurted her ancle while trying to do soo. kinda retarded dont u think? look on your story from different angle not that i care much m8...


P.S: Told that chick to buy a pupcile and put it on her forhead to cool down :<

 

[ProDMaN]

where can i apply to join <IRA> plz ?

hahaha Fear made me leave cos i couldnt stop laugh at them haeheahhaa

 

[Kuhan]

As those of you who know me will know, i'm Irish.
recently a new guild started on camlann <IRA> it is a guild made by the italian players on our english server. to them the name means "Anger".
to us the name symbolizes a history of war, hatred and pain.
I tried contacting members of this guild to express my distaste at the name they had chosen, maybe on an italian server it would be ok. I was met with the disregard I have come to expect from these players and eventually I gave up on the idea of appealing to their sense of human decency. I decided to take my problems up the ladder a step to the only other people who could help: rightnow.
although people complain about them all the time, I have generally had good experience with them before. after almost a week they eventually made a response:






so this is goodbye camlann, I will not be renewing my subscription,
thanks for all the fun times and great fights

gl in rl

 

[kindrid]

where can i apply to join <IRA> plz ?

hahaha Fear made me leave cos i couldnt stop laugh at them haeheahhaa

You are fothless maricon even kuhan decidet not to renew with you guild membership for next mounth..xD

 

[Alan]

Well, this kinda sucks ... actually this REALLY sucks.

I thought Camlan (like Glast) was an english speaking server, surely in this instance having to watch a guild run around with a tag of <IRA> would cause some offense. Who gives a shit if it means "anger" in italian, if the server was italian then fine but its not.

Grrrr.... bad GoA

 

[Yoshimo]

I thought Camlan (like Glast) was an english speaking server,

ye it is. but I guess 20-30 italian subscriptions per months means more than doing the right thing

 

[kindrid]

Well, this kinda sucks ... actually this REALLY sucks.

I thought Camlan (like Glast) was an english speaking server, surely in this instance having to watch a guild run around with a tag of <IRA> would cause some offense. Who gives a shit if it means "anger" in italian, if the server was italian then fine but its not.

Grrrr.... bad GoA

why do you want to take all the crap that some retards do personaly.

 

[Yoshimo]

Well I once had a guild named Warriors of Iraq, and that got changed pretty quick :|

you should have told them that Iraq was the word for Cheese in some tribal language that they have no way of checking, by their logic here. they would have to leave it

 

[Samaroon|Terracotta]

you should have told them that Iraq was the word for Cheese in some tribal language that they have no way of checking, by their logic here. they would have to leave it

Would've done something along them lines had it not been just a pure guild to piss about with ._.

Shouldn't have deleted that message either ^^

 

[~Latency~]

edit: english please.

 

[Tombha]

someone should make a guild called
<Drawing of Allah> ^^

 

[Lawnmower]

not renewing subs because of a guild name?... in all fairness i can see what your saying and all, but to be honest, the italians probably are just using IRA as an abbreviation of wrath or anger or whatever its sposed to mean... i wouldnt let it bother its just words, empty air.. keep on playing daoc imo cant afford to lose more good guys

 

[Alan]

not renewing subs because of a guild name?... in all fairness i can see what your saying and all, but to be honest, the italians probably are just using IRA as an abbreviation of wrath or anger or whatever its sposed to mean... i wouldnt let it bother its just words, empty air.. keep on playing daoc imo cant afford to lose more good guys

Well I still think its bad form, wouldnt be enough to make me cancel my subs tho.

 

[Commandment]

Spasticated....

 

[kindrid]

in the end lets just blame our beloved italian vaffanculo axty

 

[Axtanax]

effectively ira in italian means wrath, but writted in caps has another meant also in italy rofl

in the end lets just blame our beloved italian vaffanculo axty

:kissit:

 

[Bahumat]

Really sad to know your cancelling subs :-(

One of the nicest people i've ever had the pleasure of knowing. Thanks for all the good times

/hug x 100

 

[Epo]

lmao, thinking about creating a guild named SS or SA
anyways..

bye m8

 

[Feylamia]

A name means what it is supposed to mean and not what ppl think it means.

Tears has a point though, Camlann is an English server, and most ppl here will get the name wrong (so did I, but since I am not Irish, I didn't care - for my taste, I've seen worse names than that...).

Still, you can ask anyone from that guild "Hey, what does your guild name stand for?" - and he will say "It's Italian, and it means 'wrath'". And once you know that, what is your problem? It's just a name, it has nothing to do with the I.R.A., so fuck it...

(btw, how many swedish ppl left the server because they are annoyed by Horason? )

Oh, and I agree with Kindrid that we should blame it on Axty!

 

[old.windforce]

i blame Axty

 

[Spis]

Sad to see you go m8.. I wish you the best of luck

Axty, its all your fault.

 

[MrBurns]

hiho,

if they wanted to call it anger in italian, they wouldn t have written it capsed... my opinion.

greetings, Mrburns

 

[Nodoubt]

A name means what it is supposed to mean and not what ppl think it means.

Tears has a point though, Camlann is an English server, and most ppl here will get the name wrong (so did I, but since I am not Irish, I didn't care - for my taste, I've seen worse names than that...).

Still, you can ask anyone from that guild "Hey, what does your guild name stand for?" - and he will say "It's Italian, and it means 'wrath'". And once you know that, what is your problem? It's just a name, it has nothing to do with the I.R.A., so fuck it...

(btw, how many swedish ppl left the server because they are annoyed by Horason? )

Oh, and I agree with Kindrid that we should blame it on Axty!

how can you compare some1 calling his char "sun of a whore" to people calling a guild after a terror organization that has given irland a crual history and killed many inocent people?

to us the name symbolizes a history of war, hatred and pain.

get it?

 

[Alan]

hiho,

if they wanted to call it anger in italian, they wouldn t have written it capsed... my opinion.

greetings, Mrburns

Another good point, but for me the main factor is the server is classed as English speaking so surely the naming policy should reflect that.

 

[IainC]

There were a number of reasons why we didn't rename the guild.
One of the things we look at in cases like this is intent. If the people who created the guild where choosing a name that they knew was likely to offend then it makes the decision much more clear cut. In this case there was no intent. The guild is an Italian guild, with Italian players, an Italian MOTD. There was no way that they were alluding to terrorist organisations when they created the name.

Secondly, with or without intent, we look at each name on a case by case basis and decide whether on the balance of everything it needs to be renamed. Some names are easy decisions - those involving swear words, racial insults, illegal drugs etc. Others are a judgement call and where possible we avoid renaming unless there is a very good reason to do so. In this case IRA means wrath or anger in Italian, there are many foreign guild names on English servers and they are subject to the same naming rules as English names, whether your name is in Latin, Greek, Finnish or whatever, we expect you to choose a name appropriate to the game atmosphere. a Guild called Wrath is appropriate. If the guild had been called I.R.A. or Sinnfein or Irish Republican Army then it would of course have been renamed as there is no ambiguity and no room for interpretation.

We tend not to rename unless absolutely necessary as otherwise we find people report names for stupid reasons. If someone with a silly but not infringing name kills another person in RvR we'll get reports about that person for all time, it's like the situation with emote spamming, the first person to get slapped for flooding reported everyone else who did it to him out of spite and soon we got reports from people who were apparently deeply offended that someone's little digital man had made a rude gesture at their little digital man in a digital world. It's a big can of worms and where possible our policy is not to get involved unless someone is genuinely taking the mickey.