BW subs, liaisons, and utter insanity.

S

Scooba Da Bass

Guest
Look around the forums for various games, check out the various names of games and see how often they are used. Check when the last post was. Check how often things are arranged for your benefit (when I say your, I obviously mean the paying customers, the people who keep this place going)

As is probably obvious from my title, I'm the Bf1942 liaison. With the help of Adam the other liaison, and the admin team which includes Deadmanwalking we try to arrange at least 1 game a week, with a few different events planned as soon as we can whip up the interest. We have a small but fairly well used channel for the game. We dedicate a few hours a week to this for no other reason than wanting to play and wanting to help BW/Game.net.

Most liaisons get free subs to Game.net. Part of your duty to game.net is to sit in the admin channel in case anyone needs help. This channel is the equivalent of an old boys club, words like ought have no place here, and everyone is jolly decent to each other. The current concern in the channel is that some people have lost their vhost, and that some people's subs are running out.

We recently arranged a community game for bf42. Only 8 people turned up, whilst I ran around looking for more people, 4 of the liasons/admins for other games discussed what EA server they were going to head onto for a game. This angered me, and I made a point of bringing up the issue of community games and that things were probably in a bad way when instead of the liaisons or admins doing things, instead subs had to organise things themselves. For this I'm now in trouble.

Nothing's changed, and nothing will change. This isn't a personal thing, as I imagine anyone who does make the effort is as frustrated as I am by the actions of people who just can't be bothered whilst 'reaping the benefits'.

People, don't sub until Game.net can garuntee that people who are their representatives in the various games are sufficiently motivated to arrange things for YOU, because unless there's a sudden influx of 50,000 subs, things won't change.
 
D

Durzel

Guest
Well duh?

Could you not see this at the outset? I am still amazed by people who seem oblivious to the fact that people will not pay for something that they can get elsewhere for free. It doesn't matter how much "better" the service is, or how many more servers there are.

People fall into 3 factions ever since P2P was introduced - those that pay for it because it provides them with a genuine, tangible service (i.e. people who pretty much exclusively played on BW at all times), people who have just paid it for "services rendered in the past", and those who won't pay for it out of general principal, or lack of need for it. The latter makes up the vast majority of people.

When will people learn that people simply will not pay for it while there are free alternatives. It really is as simple as that.

That's nothing against BWs service or its staff - that's just a plain, old fact of life. Take it or leave it. Nothing, and I mean that as clear as the sky is blue and the grass is green, nothing is going to change that fact. Not until everyone else is P2P anyway.

I don't mean the above to sound like a personal attack Scooba, but if you honestly thought that everyone and anyone would rush to sub to BW like good little gamesplayers, you really are kidding yourself.
 
D

dysfunction

Guest
Oh bloody hell we are not talking about this again??!!11
 
L

lynchet

Guest
Tbh thats not how I read Scoobs post

I read it as basically saying that BW servers etc WILL die unless they provide something new and different (ie basically agreeing with you Durzel that people dont pay for what they can get free elsewhere)

I largely fell into the services rendered in the past category of subscribers, although I also wanted to use the BF servers as I prefer playing with BW peeps - even if they do thrash me ;) . As I've said elsewhere I wish Ted, Dbs et al all the luck and cash in the world. They put a LOT of time, money and effort into Barrys for nothing for years and they deserve some reward.

Having said that I do agree with you that if they want to keep going as a business concern as it stands then something needs to be done. I don't feel so cheated out of my years sub money for the reasons outlined above --- but thats not to say I'll go on subbing if nothing changes.

I do have a horrible feeling that the suits at Game don't like "Barrysworld" as a concept -- I mean its not gonna look as good and corporate in their shops as "Game.net" and that really they want the expertise of the Barrys crew but under their name. I don't see Ted and Dbs going quietly with this, but as soon as the money guys start wanting things differently its not always easy to stop !


There have been hints that more is to come -- I think that needs to be clarified and explained as tbh the longer its held in the air with no substance behind it, the more it will look like a fictional "carrot" to get subs in and less like a real happening --- Im not saying it is that, but I think we need more info.

It goes against my nature and beliefs to criticize Barrysworld, a site that has given me so much - and usually for free --- but unfortunately I think most people- me included - when we lay out our own cash to a big company we want to see something back. If it was still a few people asking for money to keep Barrys servers going etc I think we'd stump up -- but now we know that Game get our dosh we want more.
 
D

Deadmanwalking

Guest
I think u have all missed the point of his post =/
 
L

lynchet

Guest
Well OK so his post was about mods/liasons rather than the stuff I was on about -- but I wanted to say it :)
 
D

dysfunction

Guest
Originally posted by Deadmanwalking.
I think u have all missed the point of his post =/

He's basicly frustrated that with all the hard work he is putting into trying to arrange online games for Bf1942 and liasing with admins about which server they can use to play on and ending up with 2 people at the end of the day.

I can see his point of view and I certainly would not wish to be in his position....

I agree with him. And I'm quite surprised he has not given up yet.

Perhaps in the weeks/months to come when Game.net make their grand announcement things may improve...

Lets hope it does.

When I get my new PC I would like very much to join in with the online games that are being arranged.

Keep up the hard work Scoobs
 
M

man like tong

Guest
Game - They take your money when you buy the game, they now they want your money to play the game. It a tad cheeky.

My Question being an employee of the mighty Game is how come no one from Game is repping these boards looking to see the general feeling?

If The barrysworld service was offered free to reward card holders (a "privilage" you had to, until recently, pay 2 pound for). Game could get away with banner ads and direct links to its On-Line store and no one would even blink an eye, providing of course they wern't stupid ad's that take up whole screens for 10 seconds at a time (yeah I'm talking about you gamespy). Then as a double attack, Game physical stores could be flogging the ass out of Barrysworld telling everyone who even glances at a PC game that BARRYSWORLD IS GREAT FOR ONLINE GAMES!!! Which in fairness it used to be.

Game Head Office, Please just contact me or somthing! I will happily read a shitload of posts to gauge the general feeling, I'll sit in Mirc chat forums and listen to what the consumer has to say. I'll be your online liasion because if you have one now, he/she is not very good at thier job.
 
T

throdgrain

Guest
Well, I think your organised games of BF have on the whole, been a great success Scooba. Stick at it m8, I say.
I also organise DoD games every so often , though not as often as BF, its not a new game and tbh wasnt that popular when BW was free, let alone now, but I try. I also get people onto the BW cs servers at least once a week.
But you're right, its not a substitute for being able to play whenever you want to. That will only come with proper advertising and sales.
You're partially right about BW admins too, loads of people in there, but hardly a word ever spoken, let alone games organised. When theres half a dozen or so KEA members on a cs server no-one else joins any more, even though the admins' and the bwcs channels both have quite a few people in them. Never mind. I and a few folk still use em, and so they are still alive. I can only hope they will get more populated.
In the meantime, dont give up mate, I really enjoy the Bf games, and Im sure plenty of other people do too.
 
D

Durzel

Guest
My point was more of a general one, directed at the point he made about 8 people showing up, and 4 of them being admins who later decided to go and play on EA servers, which - being free - were presumably more populated.

What I was trying to get across is that anyone with any common sense would've realised how this would've happened, and will continue to happen until it either stops being P2P, or others follow suit.

I feel Scooba's pain though.
 
M

MYstIC G

Guest
Bottom line is Durz is right. The end.

(& I'm sorry to say this Scooba, but circular arguements on this subject have been done to death)
 
C

Clowneh!

Guest
outta curiosity, whos gonna be renewing their subs?
to those who waited to see what would happen, u seen enough? u gonna sub?
 
E

ECA

Guest
Just wanna say, P2P gaming services can and do work.

A shining example is gamers.nu

its 30 quid a year for a sub!!!!!!!

they only do CS and have around 10 servers.

What they offer is not merely a gaming environment.

They pay high class gamers to use their service for a certain amount of hours per week to generate interest, the likes of heaton, potti, vesslan, element etc.

They cover most aspects of the community news, provide exclusive members content in the form of event coverage, downloads - movies etc, video interviews, Q&A with top players that only paying members can participate in.

They have aimed at a specific market - Counter-Strike, and achieved their target, their servers are all full during the day, and theres usually 20+ people on even during the small hours.


My point is if the product is targetted and the services provided to a high quality on one site that saves its members time and provides real benefits, then it will succeed.

Barrysworld just isnt on that level at the moment.

And TTD, i did talk to bazerka with some ideas, and i will email you my list of ideas like i meant to do last week :-]
 
D

Durzel

Guest
ECA:

Maybe the model might work if its targeted at a single game, but I suspect your example is an isolated incident and more likely a success purely due to how games (particularly CS) are viewed in specific countries.

Germany and Holland (for example) seem to be home to very single-minded communities of players, who are far more passionate about games than us UK folk. Ok, that's a sweeping generalisation but I would go as far as to say that except for pockets of ardent fans, the vast majority of casual UK gamers are generally apathetic to "hardcore" online gaming.
 
E

ECA

Guest
Originally posted by Durzel
ECA:

Maybe the model might work if its targeted at a single game, but I suspect your example is an isolated incident and more likely a success purely due to how games (particularly CS) are viewed in specific countries.

Germany and Holland (for example) seem to be home to very single-minded communities of players, who are far more passionate about games than us UK folk. Ok, that's a sweeping generalisation but I would go as far as to say that except for pockets of ardent fans, the vast majority of casual UK gamers are generally apathetic to "hardcore" online gaming.


Gamers.nu is targetted at the scandanavian countries.

My point being what does Bw offer that gamers.nu offer?

virtually nothing.

They both offer bookables and private subs only servers, but thats about it, BW isnt offered any of the other aspects that have made it a success.

A large number of initial sign ups for gamers.nu were based on the fact that *Heaton* played there, this got the servers active, and then other gamers decided it was worth subscribing too and playing on.

Barrysworld do NOT have the same level of service or attraction that gamers.nu does.

It would take BW getting players from 4K and ONE to publicise it within the community, CS movies to be hosted & reviewed and a news section following the community, and then it would be at about the same level, the only thing gamers.nu does worse than BW imho is the state of the forums which are pretty shit.

The rest is just excellent.
 
T

Tom

Guest
If you look at the amount of bookings on the bookables, I'd say that BW have done quite well.
 
D

Daffeh

Guest
Originally posted by Clowneh!
outta curiosity, whos gonna be renewing their subs?
to those who waited to see what would happen, u seen enough? u gonna sub?

depending on the price, i'll resub purely for the web hosting, dunno why considering i get 55meg free with NTL, but i just like the BW hosting :p

but i guess i we'll have to pay the full £25 thing now?


and being a subscriber makes me popular with all the cheap fucks who want a server booking :D
 
C

Clowneh!

Guest
Originally posted by Daffeh
and being a subscriber makes me popular with all the cheap fucks who want a server booking :D

:) (cough) :rolleyes:





:(
- i should sub for them bookables innit? but i know i can live without them. i'd rather buy a kebab ;)
 
B

bigfoot

Guest
Although Scooba raises some valid points we are taking steps to correct the malaise that has happened on our "Subs Only" servers since Subs was introduced, I've spent most of the past 5 days sending mails out to the admins & liaisons as listed on the site, talking to those who have responded and are still interested in helping out and starting to move things into a more organised structure. New tools will be made available to those overseeing each game to hopefully enable them to get the best of out what is there, plus we will be introducing some features on the Game.Net site to direct people towards specific games and things happening for those specific games, along with other Subs-Only services which should further enhance the value of it.

This probably should have happened a long time ago but, as I've said before, in the structure of BW/GAME i'm the lowest of the low so it's not my call as to why it didn't. Fortunately, I think there is now a realisation in GAME at higher levels that there does need to be a stronger "community" and better / more individual parts of the Subscription package to keep Subscribers coming back to the service as a whole. With the stores launch happening soon this needs to be put in place and we will also hopefully make things up to you if you have subscribed already and feel a bit "cheated" out of what you have got from the service, even though we regularly get people complimenting us on other areas such as the Bookables, although I will be the first to admit things could be better there too.

If you want to use this thread to offer up suggestions as to what we *should* be doing in your eyes then feel free, though if you just want to bitch and moan about the past 6 months then do it elsewhere as there really isn't a great deal of point.
 
W

Wilier

Guest
Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass


Most liaisons get free subs to Game.net.

and

Origionally posted by Scobba Da Bass

whilst I ran around looking for more people, 4 of the liasons/admins for other games discussed what EA server they were going to head onto for a game.

Surley this is this point Scoobs is making.

If the Liasons (admittedly from other games) cant be arsed to help to fill the GAME.Net servers, what chance has BW got?
 
L

Lester

Guest
Originally posted by ECA




A large number of initial sign ups for gamers.nu were based on the fact that *Heaton* played there, this got the servers active, and then other gamers decided it was worth subscribing too and playing on.


But we have *Throddy* fs!!

Maybe Game can do some in-store posters: "*Throddy* PLAYS HERE!!!"
 
T

Testin da Cable

Guest
with a large picture of a *BLEEP*bagder to go with?
 
L

leggy

Guest
I mean really. Who gives a toss about the so-called good players that play on a gsp's servers. Not me. Good, bad or unknown I signed up for the community at the time.

Granted we have legends such as "throddy" and the infamous "tremor", but these pro-players just don't cut it with me anymore.
 
T

throdgrain

Guest
I am Your God !!!

Oh alright then ... :(

Theres only one answer to all this, SELL SELL SELL. Sell the bloody servers, advertise them, let people know what they will get. Give away 3 months free with a game purchase at Game . It cant be that complicated can it ?

Btw, Lester and Tremor and Leggie, Fishy's wife gave birth to a baby girl at midnight last night, thought you would like to know :)
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top Bottom