buffbots

[Roo Stercogburn]

Ah. In Midgard when we want crap CC we roll Dark SMs.

Erm. Hang on a sec.

 

[zapzap]

Originally posted by old.Atrox
Sure Give Clerics Healers CC.

U solved the problem. Now give mids all alb RAs and move end from shammy to warrior as chant.

 

[scarffs]

And stealth for skalds pweeease.
And climb walls and ablative songs please.
While you're at it, the stun shout also.

( You can have our mezz, it stinks )

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by zapzap
U solved the problem. Now give mids all alb RAs and move end from shammy to warrior as chant.

would be on Thanes...


but really if you think alb classes are that superior, why not play alb?
or you dont wanna lose savage and healers ?

 

[dracus]

Originally posted by Danya
What he said, only with buffbots not "buttbots"

Aglee

/Dracus

 

[aveh]

Originally posted by old.Atrox
would be on Thanes...


but really if you think alb classes are that superior, why not play alb?
or you dont wanna lose savage and healers ?

The answer to that is quite simple.

Briton chicks are ugly. Really ugly. And highlander women make troll males look like high-school cheerleaders. Norse babes will always be the most solid reasoning for realm selection!

 

[bone_idle]

Give Shamans an instrument to play end on.

 

[ilum]

Originally posted by Cami
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How?

Give spreadheal to shammies then..

Yeah and give AE disease and PBAE insta-disease to clerics.

This is getting silly :|

 

[case-rigantis]

Originally posted by scarffs
And stealth for skalds pweeease.
And climb walls and ablative songs please.
While you're at it, the stun shout also.

( You can have our mezz, it stinks )

can we have the damage and heal chant usable in combat that skalds get too oh and spec parry and be on hybrid damage and hitpoint table plsthxbye!!11

go moan on anotehr thread and keep this on topic please

 

[old.mattshanes]

Albs have 2 clerics in group because a cleric heals far better than a friar usually, although a friar is a good class to have in a group of course.Buffbots do not bother me so much now, enemies are likely to be buffed lots of times so, although i do wish it was like the game was at the start everyone not knowing what one was.

 

[zapzap]

Originally posted by old.Atrox
would be on Thanes...


but really if you think alb classes are that superior, why not play alb?
or you dont wanna lose savage and healers ?

No just all the defencive chants and RAs they got and yes would rather have 2 clerics healing my group then 2 mend healers.

that would be thanes and thanes are anything near what a Pally is ??

Zapsi

 

[kaine_1]

You cant really compare different realm classes to each other, otherwise we would all end up with the same chars, in different realms ZZZzzzzz

As for buffbots, they are the scum of the earth, but I also see why people use them, and hell if I had one, Id buff myself too.

The problem is, without a range on buffs, you get some bot who cant be harmed as is in a portal keep. At least with a range of some sort mr buffy would have to /stick and be a valid (and easy) target

 

[celtavigo]

"3000 LOC range on buffs. Problem solved."

Eh it would? I always take my BB with me for end regen and use him for heals aswell...Would never have leveled him to just leave him at zone.. Without the end regen buffs barely help anyway, atleast not for melees.

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by zapzap
No just all the defencive chants and RAs they got and yes would rather have 2 clerics healing my group then 2 mend healers.

that would be thanes and thanes are anything near what a Pally is ??
Zapsi

Thane is a Hybrid just like Paladins.


Celtavigo:
That would be just fine, atleast then you got the choice to kill the support, instead of untouchable support.

 

[hangianix]

Originally posted by Roo Stercogburn
Shammies only have root and one that isn't even as good as druid root at that. If I've got it right, don't clerics have a pbae mez?

200 radius, pbaoe drop off - it means any attacking _non_ det char will stay in mezz for 9 sec max. (The lvl 44 mezz was resisted more than 50% on players and more than 70% on pets )

 

[old.Belorfyn]

Originally posted by celtavigo
"3000 LOC range on buffs. Problem solved."

Eh it would? I always take my BB with me for end regen and use him for heals aswell...Would never have leveled him to just leave him at zone.. Without the end regen buffs barely help anyway, atleast not for melees.

I don't mind at all if more people did that
In my opinion, it's not buffbot really anymore if it's running along; it's duo being played by same guy (so probably bit worse than two real people would play )

Meaning buffbots in rvr now of course, in pve it's bit different.

If the buffer is with the others, buffer can be killed after which the buffs will be gone. That's can mean huge difference in small fights like 2vs2 or such.

Edit:
To add something more to thread since it's first time I post in it:
I don't like buffbots. They make huge impact on solo and small group fights.
I can understand why people make them after getting ganked by buffed people many times. Our guild doesn't own or use other people's buffbots when we go solo or with guild group though.
Still, it's really up to Mythic to fix it so some kinda range like 3000 one mentioned here sounds like good enough solution to me.
Though they could even rethink the whole buffing system while at it. In my opinion it might be good if they removed most of the passive buffs and gave buffer classes and specs some similar boosting abilities but active ones that need to be used. Such as Celerity and all kinda chants/songs. But suppose this was going bit past the topic here already

I'll still add something positive (from my point of view) I noticed yesterday.
Yesterday was first real day of rvr for my young shadowblade who is now level 48 and has (weee) stopped autotraining and can actually rvr
I was bit afraid it'd be buffed people all the way but I met alot people (also stealthers) who didn't have buffs and I had real nice fights fight

 

[Hargh]

You lot can't stop it can you!

Bored bored bored, read it all before. Start a thread on x, end up talking about y. And y is always the same.

Yes I could go away and not read it but I'm drawn to it like a car crash.

Pardon Belo, all replies before yours.

 

[Dimse]

I dont Like buffbots.

Why? Well they are ruining the social aspect of the game. By that I mean why bother to invite a cleric into a group or rvr when you can load up a buffbot. Yes I can se the advantages of having buffbots but saying that you cant live without them is being verry uncreative and not using your fellow players and the experience and input they have.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Dimse
I dont Like buffbots.

Why? Well they are ruining the social aspect of the game. By that I mean why bother to invite a cleric into a group or rvr when you can load up a buffbot. Yes I can se the advantages of having buffbots but saying that you cant live without them is being verry uncreative and not using your fellow players and the experience and input they have.

Uh you invite a cleric to heal...

 

[yerk]

I saw the future

Saw the logical next step in the game yesterday. One toon who brought 3 bb's with her

 

[greatred]

Originally posted by Cozak
<- anti-buffbot for one reason.. i dont have one ;p

^ What Cozak said

Besides, I suck at playing my inf and playing against buffbotted level 5 people is rather one sided and something of a high learning curve. Middies xp'ing in dodens have felt my sword due to this

 

[old.Trine Aquavit]

I have a second account but I am anti-buffbot on principal. I actually bought the account to help with levelling as I'm a casual player and levelling can be slow when you can only play an hour or two at a time. I found, though, that I hate soloing either buffed or unbuffed so I rarely use both accounts simultaneously - I prefer to group and I don't like taking group spots with an afk player.

There's no doubt that the game would be balanced differently without buffbots, though. I expect if would make it a better game for some and a worse game for others. The buff-bot situation isn't going to change, though - there's just too much revenue riding on them.

 

[klavrynd]

i think everyone knows my opinion on buffbots

 

[DaggerElivager]

well....on principle i believe it be much more fun without buffbots...for followin reasons:

1) would encourage more playin shamans
2) i would stand a chance in rvr with dagger
3) givf me buffbot and ill remove my post

I dont have buffbot and am proud of my r4l8 sb and rr5l0 runie but l8ly i borrowed buff soff my lovely wife's bb <kiss sai> so im happy

but on principle i think they should make buffs have a range like end

 

[Jaem]

I think Dag has a point, but would make people have have more buff spec in groups, yet this would lead way to more groups leading to zergs blah blah.


EXAMPLE.
Unbuffed stealthers... lets say you have a mincer+infil duo... with out any buff they'd be hitting for quite low, lets say about 130 dmg, then take away the mincer chant, -70 which leaves 60.

hitting them for 60 dmg, when they hp lets say 1300hp, would take along time, making them best.


imo I don't think having buffbots or not having them, will change balance of the game.

 

[mavericky]

Yep, game balanced is screwed with or without buff bots, an example of which is that they nerfed shadowblades due to their buffed performance being to high.

Without buffbots then a shaman is forced to spec aug or be unwelcome to join a group, gone will be they days of cave shamans.

At the end of the day the game is fundermentaly flawed, you cant remove them without many new rebalancing issues and screwing any buffer class into only being able to spec one way

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

Originally posted by ilum
Maybe run with 2 primary buff classes as Albion is forced to?

Aye, since albions primary buff class got a way to usefull RA and can spec for healing aswell.

 

[old.diabolus]

i like to volley bots atm mpk :O dont remove them plz :O