buffbots

revminster · Oct 12, 2003

No buffbot owner myself. But I won't lie and say I refuse buffs when offered.

Soloing as a stealther was alot more fun before buffbots became common. It leaves a bitter taste in your mouth knowing that the only reason you've won/died in a solo fight is because you had more/less buffs than your opponent. Buffbots gives someone an unfair advantage, therefore they should not exist. Simple as that in my opinion.

Danya · Oct 12, 2003

Originally posted by pudzy
Ton;s of these threads, but Gohrim said 1 thing that makes complete sense to me.. "Buttbots allow you to play a charactor to it's full potiential" - who wouldn't wana do it? You all would if you could, you know it .

What he said, only with buffbots not "buttbots"

Damon_D · Oct 12, 2003

Aye could not agree more

Shike · Oct 12, 2003

Originally posted by Cush
TBH id rather see it use power and beeing interuptable the using cons as it does atm. Kill a shaman and end is never back up praticly. Kill a bard/palading then res him and he can put end back for the whole group. And how long do you think a shaman is mezzed during a fight? Since they are in 99% first target to get killed.
Same kinda goes for healer that are the only ones in the game that have cons based powerregen which removes buffs they are able to cast aswell. So mids would always end up with the smallest possibility to buff a group.
And i once read a report where the Druid TL was whining about that a druid werent able to provied a fg with the nesecary buffs.

I agree with removing the buffbots from the game tho. But as it looks atm it aint possible. Many changes would have to be done before that is possible. Tho not that mythic will ever do it since they would lose hughe amounts of money doing so and i dont think that is what they are aiming for.

Trust me mate, you would _not_ want to have hibs endregen, ask any bard and they will say the same I believe. Interruptable endsong is a friggin huge mistake when nearly any class can interrupt it so easily. Mind u, interrupted end=bard cant even sprint himself to save his ass from tanks.

And sadly, I think u are right about the bots

Cush · Oct 13, 2003

Shike didnt say hibs are the best end regen. Imo Albs got the best one. The mid one looks good on paper but it aint much use when the shaman dies within a few sec from a assist train, whilest the paladin is able to survive fairly long.

liste · Oct 13, 2003

on the other hand, mids can just insta stun the albion assist train

there are so many things that are not even if you compare the realms, and its supposed to be that way. otherwise, we might as well play quake.

On the topic of buffbots; I dont have one, and i dont intend to get one. its money out the window for me, and i prefer a little more challenge (incidentally, i am also the greatest cause for my lack of high Realm rank, for this very reason

). I dont use buffs when i solo, but if i'm in a group, with people who have bots, i accept them. reason being, that in a group, im expected to perform a series of tasks, that will often get people killed, if i fail to. When i'm solo, my lack of power/ability/luck/whatever, wont harm anyone but myself.

Also, as a sorcerer, it matters little, really. unless the group runs back to APB everytime they've reached the amg, because that's how far i usually get before dying

Preferably, i'd like to see a range on buffs, say, 5000. this will allow a group to be split up/ambushing from strategical positions and still drop buffbots off at the mile gate.

aveh · Oct 13, 2003

Originally posted by liste
on the other hand, mids can just insta stun the albion assist train

Comparing the usefulness of shammy end to pala end and you're talking about healer stun? Do you truly believe that shamen have better survivability on the field than paladins?

As for buffbots.. who cares really. It's a dead issue. Everyone has them, aside from those who are too lazy to level them. And really, that's not much different than comparing a level 50 to someone who is too lazy too level past 45. Besides which, they make levelling through farming repeated mobs (one of the crappiest concepts in this game) a lot easier, and you dont have to put up with the 2398472934 smacktards you invariably get grouped with if you try and find a random pve group.

tamron · Oct 13, 2003

I don't have a buffbot, and never will. I solo frequently, and mostly I get ganked by my rival stealthers, who are almost always buffed to the teeth. It has indeed caused me bitter frustration and made me consider leaving the game (still does). I will, however, on principal, never have a buffbot, and on the same principal, never accept buffs from bots. Call me a romantic fool, I know I am, but if it's principal, it has to go all the way.

Shike · Oct 13, 2003

Originally posted by liste
on the other hand, mids can just insta stun the albion assist train

there are so many things that are not even if you compare the realms, and its supposed to be that way. otherwise, we might as well play quake.

On the topic of buffbots; I dont have one, and i dont intend to get one. its money out the window for me, and i prefer a little more challenge (incidentally, i am also the greatest cause for my lack of high Realm rank, for this very reason ). I dont use buffs when i solo, but if i'm in a group, with people who have bots, i accept them. reason being, that in a group, im expected to perform a series of tasks, that will often get people killed, if i fail to. When i'm solo, my lack of power/ability/luck/whatever, wont harm anyone but myself.

Also, as a sorcerer, it matters little, really. unless the group runs back to APB everytime they've reached the amg, because that's how far i usually get before dying

Preferably, i'd like to see a range on buffs, say, 5000. this will allow a group to be split up/ambushing from strategical positions and still drop buffbots off at the mile gate.

well yea liste, u are right to a certain point, but when it comes to essential functions the differences should not be so significant that one realm is too far below the other 2. Endregen is one of them and it truly blows tbh. What is worst is that hibs was the only realm with endregen first, what happened then was that both mid and alb got endregen aswell and in far superior versions. Differences are good, but there has to be some reasoning around it too imo

Shike · Oct 13, 2003

Originally posted by Cush
Shike didnt say hibs are the best end regen. Imo Albs got the best one. The mid one looks good on paper but it aint much use when the shaman dies within a few sec from a assist train, whilest the paladin is able to survive fairly long.

yea i hear ye, and maybe you are right mate, hard to tell

we all have our preferences

Cush · Oct 13, 2003

Originally posted by liste
on the other hand, mids can just insta stun the albion assist train

^^ do you know how long the stun from a healer last on a det4-5 tank? If you are lucky he will stop long enough to be out of rang to be able to melee you. Tho a minstrel will always fix that easy with there stun shouts.

fayle · Oct 13, 2003

Last night i counted 19 buffbots at mpk emain.
Think bots are here to stay :/

Danya · Oct 13, 2003

Originally posted by Cush
^^ do you know how long the stun from a healer last on a det4-5 tank? If you are lucky he will stop long enough to be out of rang to be able to melee you. Tho a minstrel will always fix that easy with there stun shouts.

1.5-2 seconds if you catch the centre of the stun. Less if it's AE and you're near the edge. Generally it's a non-issue, any breathing space the healer might have bought himself is wasted because he has to turn and face the assist train to use his stun... By the time he's actually started moving again the tanks are unstunned and beating away.

zapzap · Oct 13, 2003

Shammy end is 98 % only end 4 or is a poor buff bot ,so even u res shammy and he cast end u dont gain end again , bard use end 5 better chance to run out of range and come back and fill up end. Still think I take shammy end over hib end but 100 % sure i take end on a thane as a chant.

remove BB and mids would need 2 shammies in a group atm so mend line needs to be better.

Can run with 2 bards if second bard is speced for it, bard is a decent healer and can provide speed 6 interrupt sigle CC & rez .

43 nurt
47 reg

Zapsi

zapzap · Oct 13, 2003

Originally posted by Danya
1.5-2 seconds if you catch the centre of the stun. Less if it's AE and you're near the edge. Generally it's a non-issue, any breathing space the healer might have bought himself is wasted because he has to turn and face the assist train to use his stun... By the time he's actually started moving again the tanks are unstunned and beating away.

Yip dont ever cast stun let u slammer do the job.

Zapsi

Zii · Oct 13, 2003

i use a bb and aint stopping cuz its the only way you can survive

Kahland · Oct 13, 2003

If you dont have a buffbot. Dont talk about the ones having, wasting their time. Its you wasting your time, SUCKING.

Kahland · Oct 13, 2003

edit: scarffs is a jerk xD

scarffs · Oct 13, 2003

Think first, then write ?
It's amazing how the words fall into place then.

Serbitar · Oct 13, 2003

Originally posted by zapzap
remove BB and mids would need 2 shammies in a group atm so mend line needs to be better.

You mean like the way albs need 2 clerics?

but anyway.

NO TO BBS !!!

dont have one, will never have one, hate their guts

zapzap · Oct 13, 2003

Originally posted by Serbitar
You mean like the way albs need 2 clerics?

but anyway.

NO TO BBS !!!

dont have one, will never have one, hate their guts

And 2 clerics is the same as 2 shammies think u lost it.

Zapsi

ilum · Oct 13, 2003

Originally posted by zapzap
And 2 clerics is the same as 2 shammies think u lost it.

Zapsi

No but its a valid point.

Cami · Oct 13, 2003

Originally posted by ilum
No but its a valid point.

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How?

Give spreadheal to shammies then..

Cush · Oct 13, 2003

Originally posted by Serbitar
You mean like the way albs need 2 clerics?

but anyway.

NO TO BBS !!!

dont have one, will never have one, hate their guts

ehh..

How the hell can you compare 2 clerics to 2 shamans in a full group?

First of all 90% of the spells a shaman can cast will get imunity timer or no ability to stack so having 2 is very pointless whilest 2 clerics will do way more good to a group then just having one of them.

Urgat Rip-Eye · Oct 13, 2003

Yes!

3000 LOC range on buffs. Problem solved.

Amen!

My main is Urgat, a shaman.

I could not agree with this statement any more strongly.

This one simple change, would remove the buffbot problem, yet still leave primary buffing classes untouched.

Seers/naturalists/Acolytes would have to group to buff... which was always the intention.

Buffbots - gone
Some balance in RvR - got back.

Kahland · Oct 13, 2003

no youre still dumb

old.Atrox · Oct 13, 2003

Originally posted by Cami
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How?

Give spreadheal to shammies then..

Sure Give Clerics Healers CC.

zapzap · Oct 13, 2003

Sorry but such bull$$$$$$$$$

Valid ??? I c why albs are gimped coz they need 2 clerics in a group. :/

Serious remove end from shammy to thane skald healer even sb and no shammy would ever get a group , other then at keep defence.

There is no way to compare shaman to cleric or druids.

Druids+healers +cleric are main healers and main rezzers.

Even bard is 2x better healer then shaman if speced for it.

Zapsi

Roo Stercogburn · Oct 13, 2003

Originally posted by old.Atrox
Sure Give Clerics Healers CC.

Shammies only have root and one that isn't even as good as druid root at that. If I've got it right, don't clerics have a pbae mez?

old.Atrox · Oct 13, 2003

ye in shite spec.

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