Buffbots, from someone who doesnt have one

[tut-ankh-amon]

lol bwahahahaa

this one is really lame.....

buffs dont make the difference.......

skillz do......

And yea every1 is whining about Alpha's buffs, sb's buffs infi and bla bla....

its not the buffs killing you is it????


Here take this tissue, and it comes with a cracker enjoy. Cant handle it? stop playing!!!!!!!!

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by belth
Runolaz, teh ubah wannabe, wants to kill people with impunity in zergs. That's what he's saying.

Hehe...I can tell you that I will never be ubah...it's not my type of gaming. I enjoy other parts of the game, and I cannot play 24/7...

I haven't said or even was even close to say that somene should be able to walk into a Zerg and kill someone with impunity...infact I'm saying that even if you are UBer buffed you still don't stand a chance, and that is just the way it should be.

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by aaragorn
lol bwahahahaa

this one is really lame.....

buffs dont make the difference.......

skillz do......

And yea every1 is whining about Alpha's buffs, sb's buffs infi and bla bla....

its not the buffs killing you is it????


Here take this tissue, and it comes with a cracker enjoy. Cant handle it? stop playing!!!!!!!!

LOL - Buffs make a huge difference - if they didn't nobody would be using buffbots, now would they

"Oh - I just use the buffs because - well um - they look nice - they don't help at all - it is just l337 skillz" - sheez

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by old.chesnor
Runloaz, you are wrong. If you are in a fg with say 2 classes that can buff. Thats about 40 buffs they can spread out. That works out at 5 buffs per group member. Also take most Healers/Shaman in Mid as an example. How many full Aug healers does Mid have ? How many full Aug Shaman? Now, think about how many of the buffbots are specced just to buff, they don't have to do anything else. Also, the bot normally only buffs 1 person.

So rather than 5 ok buffs, you get a full set of uber buffs. That makes a massive difference to ANY class in this game. End of....

Hmm...I don't know how other ppl spec their shaman, but I will spec him they way I would have done if it was my main char. In my guild we are about 6 players that have two accounts (with shaman/healers) none of them are speced the way you say they are. They are all specced just the way as any other shaman/healer would have been.

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by Novamir


why were you trying to solo in a zerg? go to gorge or something like aussie and alpha the buffbot twins.

Plz tell me how I can go to the Gorge when 70albs camp mmg.

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Runolaz



Plz tell me how I can go to the Gorge when 70albs camp mmg.

Then don't go there, there's other places besides Hib.

 

[tut-ankh-amon]

Originally posted by Xandax


LOL - Buffs make a huge difference - if they didn't nobody would be using buffbots, now would they

"Oh - I just use the buffs because - well um - they look nice - they don't help at all - it is just l337 skillz" - sheez

Huge?what is huge? if buffs gave about 1000hits more maybe ill call it huge and that it makes a difference..sure they help alittle but is there need to whine about it??

buffs is a part of game accept it....

cant? well tuff....!!!!

Oh well lets nerf all cuz ppl whine about it...MAMMAAA I CANT HANDLE THIS PPL ARE BUFFED HELP PLZ NERF NERF NERF

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by aaragorn


Huge?what is huge? if buffs gave about 1000hits more maybe ill call it huge and that it makes a difference..sure they help alittle but is there need to whine about it??

buffs is a part of game accept it....

cant? well tuff....!!!!

Oh well lets nerf all cuz ppl whine about it...MAMMAAA I CANT HANDLE THIS PPL ARE BUFFED HELP PLZ NERF NERF NERF

Well I agree - there is no need to whine about it - it is a part of the game.
I just like the way people with buffbots downplay their value - they wouldn't be using buffbots if they didn't get anything from it

And +50 to con, str, dex and AF (baseline healers approx.) makes ei. an assassin much better. (both PvE and PvP/RvR)

Buffs play a huge part in this game and stating otherwise is either naive or an attempt to cover that fact.

But yes - they are a part of the game, and thus should be accepted - at lest untill Mythic does something cause I'm sure VN boards whine more then people here - and we all know that (especially in this game) it seems to be the loud minority (read: whiners) that gets their way (well mostly )

 

[gwari]

buffbots are simply for lamers, the real "fighters" use skill to win, the buffbot users have to be with 2 people to win. At the moment its allowed by mythic/Goa: as it is simply unbalancing to have an untouchable "friend" aiding you with buffs i hope something will be done about it.

I personally dont like playing Risk with friends, and starting with 2 times their armies so i can beat them.

Some people win with skill, other people need a buffbot for it, no respect deserved at all for the latter, bad bad play. Oh, and a LOL for the buffbot users who might post: you got Pwned. Havent really met some1 who 1vs1 meleed me down.

Stick, lvl 50 friar.

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

its part of the game deal with it


as has been said by all hibs/mids throught the ages of alb cc gimpedness

at least u can get the same thing by lvling a buffbot yourself.

 

[Cowled]

I can only say

My buffbot gave a lvl 50 inf, 340 dex

Buffbots aren't wrong, since it's a part of the money machine, called Mythic.

They should fix all assasins, so they did -25% dmg vs. tanks.. or -50%. I've seen a lvl 50 inf take down a yellow troll in 2 hits..

When i called him uber, i was told to stfu it was FAIR Oo.

 

[Flimgoblin]

heh, buffbots have no effect - good joke.

The problem with buffbots vs. real buffers is that:
a) buffbots make the real enhance classes less desired for groups (which sucks for them)
b) you can't kill the buffbot to make the assassin easier to kill.


That is all.

 

[belth]

Originally posted by old.BJ|Bored
its part of the game deal with it


as has been said by all hibs/mids throught the ages of alb cc gimpedness

at least u can get the same thing by lvling a buffbot yourself.

You just promised to pay most people a 2nd computer and the 2nd account including the monthly payments. Got 20000€+ to spend monthly? No? Better get it then.

 

[Stormm]

Originally posted by aaragorn

its not the buffs killing you is it????

well without them they probably wouldnt win - so erm yes it is.

I am not actually that bothered by it, the game mechanics allow this to be - so it is part of the game.

My opinion is that as it is part of the game u gotta have more respect for those that have high solo kill rates without use of a buffbot that those that do, simply because it requires more skill to win a solo fight without one.

when u fight a buffed player - this really is not a 1v1 fight.

imo a continually fully buffed player is not really soloing.

..... 'starts searching threads on mutilple daoc accounts and ebay for someone to level me a buffbot!'

muhaha

 

[belth]

Originally posted by aaragorn


Huge?what is huge? if buffs gave about 1000hits more maybe ill call it huge and that it makes a difference..sure they help alittle but is there need to whine about it??

buffs is a part of game accept it....

cant? well tuff....!!!!

Oh well lets nerf all cuz ppl whine about it...MAMMAAA I CANT HANDLE THIS PPL ARE BUFFED HELP PLZ NERF NERF NERF

500 hits isn't enough? Some people are born retarded I see Just accept your lameness, it's reality and there's nothing you can do about it. You can't even complain to anyone about it

 

[belth]

Originally posted by slacking
..... 'starts searching threads on mutilple daoc accounts and ebay for someone to level me a buffbot!'

muhaha

Remember to send the bill to BJ|Bored, I'm sure he'll be more than happy to pay it

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by belth


Then don't go there, there's other places besides Hib.

Jupp I could have gone to Odin's or Albion...but without spd it's a long ride, and I was only playing for like an hour. I could have used my last alt...a Skald to give me a ride up, but that would not be fair, because I'm not supossed to run that fast . Besides I think it's quite fun to see 5-6fg alb's compete to reach the 2-3 mids in the area .

 

[Stormm]

Originally posted by belth


Remember to send the bill to BJ|Bored, I'm sure he'll be more than happy to pay it

woohoo...

perhaps i'll be able to kill someone!

urm, maybe not :uhoh:

 

[tut-ankh-amon]

Originally posted by belth


500 hits isn't enough? Some people are born retarded I see Just accept your lameness, it's reality and there's nothing you can do about it. You can't even complain to anyone about it

ugh was that a flame??? omg i feel so sorry now i better cancel my subscribtion and everytime some1 give me buffs i take them off because morons like you whine???

HAHA well want to call me lame? you know what? i frankly dont give a F... about what you think about me, or what 100% of the players love to use...buffs....

Tell you what the day that every1 stop using buffs i will also....

now keep continuing flaming me plz. i love it and you making me lmao....kthxbye cya in emain..

 

[Stormm]

Originally posted by aaragorn


ugh was that a flame??? omg i feel so sorry now i better cancel my subscribtion and everytime some1 give me buffs i take them off because morons like you whine???

HAHA well want to call me lame? you know what? i frankly dont give a F... about what you think about me, or what 100% of the players love to use...buffs....

Tell you what the day that every1 stop using buffs i will also....

now keep continuing flaming me plz. i love it and you making me lmao....kthxbye cya in emain..

I thought this thread was about 'buffbots', not Buffs...

kthxbye <- as used by 12 year olds coz they don't know how to articulate themselves

 

[quinthar]

Heres a fix:

1. No buffs outside a grp - NO +dex +af etc etc
2. No DMG buffs - EB or DMG shields or haste or DMG adds etc
3. No Zergs
4. You must not kill grps with less players than your grp.
5. Not allowed to camp anywhere PvE or PvP
6. No Swearing
7. No laugh spamming, body jumping etc etc
8. Ban pwr lvling.

I'm sure I've missed a few, but thats it in a nutshell, why should a lvl50 wizard buff a lowbie to give him extra dmg? not everybody gets it why should they??

Why should a healer save a lowbie or equal or whatever from death from a Mob or player, he cant do it on his own when should somebody else save him?

Why are people allowed to body jump etc etc, thats not nice and its not FAIR BAN players that do it.

Zergs are no brainers - its not right its not fair and it ruins the game does it not, ban them ????

People camping ANYTHING should be strung up by thier bollocks, wheres the skill in that its not fair??

Why should you be able to power lvl somebody?? wheres the skill in that it aint fair is it?, wheres the skill in a mincer or Thuerg going afk for 8 hrs and getting a lvl or two??

SO, there ya have it, get rid of all them and the game will be just right for the people that constantly whine.

Wake up and smell the coffee, through peoples actions all the above have been created and propogated, you may not like it but its here and its ongoing, just deal with and stfu moaning.

Cant afford a buff bot tough crap, cant afford a 2nd PC tough.
I only have a 512k pipe is that fair is it just?? if your whining about all the above you have way too much time on yer hands.

Jesus, just stop fucking moaning for one second and play the game.

 

[Madonion Slicer]

i love the above post, it needed to be said and it now it has. quinthar copy and paste that to notepad and save it as am sure you can use that again and again on these boards.

 

[g0ldenbone]

It does pretty much sum things up

as far as im concerned..

 

[bishibosh]

saying that buffs dont make a difference your "skills" do is complete crap, thats like sayin the lvl difference between a lvl 40 and 50 doesnt matter, its their skills. Just dont use buffbots,its like the /god cheat in quake, have some form of weakness and be happy. Its like people who use performance enhancing drugs to win in athletics, except then someone actually gives a crap if they find that people are cheating and do something about it. Or is it still their "skills" that win it, and so entirely fair.....

 

[Carlos Bananos]

whether they make a difference or not, it doesn't matter, just because things aint fair in your favour, doesn't mean they shouldn't be in game.

Theres 101 things in daoc that give ppl Advantages, buffbots are only one of them.

If everything was exactly fair the game would be pretty damn poor.

You just have to accept, lifes not fair, daoc isn't fair, somenoe will always have an advantage, whether it be a buffbot, or an RA you dont have (or have access to..ie Bards/Mincers SoS, skalds can't get it).

And no i dont have a buffbot

 

[dakeyras]

In starting a debate on the subject of 'buffbots', Sanya from Mythic stated that game mechanics take into account the assumption that players will be buffed in both RvR and PvE, and therefore Mythic were not concerned with the bot issue. (financial aspects of course bear no relation to this decision )

To me that statement is utter drivel.

Even if a group is fortunate to have 2 clerics with a reasonable enhance spec, that adds up to no more than 5 buffs per player...and having 2 places being occupied by high enhance spec clerics mean the group will be lacking in other abilities.

A buffbotted player, on the other hand, has the full monty. This is vastly different from the buff situation which Sanya described.

If a skald/bard/minstrel could be placed on /stick and be made invulnerable so the group always had speed and the speedbot couldn't be killed the uproar would be deafening, so why should buffbots be any different.

Give us a way to kill the bots and a lot of complaints will go. Make players who feel that they are so skill deprived they need a buffbot to compete park their botts behind a tree where they can be got at and I will be happy.

 

[hjalthor]

People complain that the "solo" class, assassins and archers, are uber with bots, if those same people had not denied the "solo" class, cuz "We need tanks or healer" in PvE, those ppl would not be forced to buy a 2nd account to lvl their "solo" chars!!!!

Not every bot out there are a pure buffbot, I have a Shammybot lvl 26 atm, since I bought the 2nd account to lvl my hunter I have to specs in mend to, no need to be uber buffed when he cant heal, cave to get the dmg shield so he will get a specs that will be something like 40 in Aug (+/- 5) and rest in mend and cave.

If you think this "unfair" nothing stops you from getting a 2nd account!!

If I have the extra computer and cash every month to spend then I cant see how using a bot is any different from using another player, IF I choose to have him standing in a TK somewhere when I hunt that are MY choice, if u play in a FG and choose NOT to protect your buff'er that are your choice.

A buff is a buff no matter where or from whom u get it.


Hjalthor Proud owner off a lvl26 buffbot

 

[dakeyras]

Originally posted by hjalthor

A buff is a buff no matter where or from whom u get it.

No it is not!

A buff from a vulnerable active player who can be killed to drop the buff is fine.

A buff from a bot who influences the fight from an untargetable position is totally differant.

What did Mythic say about players using roofs of milegates etc?

I seem to recall it was along the lines of 'if the player can be targetted and killed it is fine but if they can't then it is an exploit and action will be taken'

How is there any difference between the buffbot and the player who uses wallbug/roofbug? Both unfairly influence a fight from an invulnerable position.

 

[Madonion Slicer]

End of the day there is not a single Alb player in Excal that if i ask them do they want a full set of buffs from my lvl24 Bot would say "no that is just wrong" every single one of them would say "thx very much".

I pay for it, i leveled it so i am going to use and anyone else in my realm is welcome to it's buffs aswell.

Once i have my Armsmen and Wizard into the high 40's i will play both my Minstrel and Cleric at the same time as everyone wants a Minstrel and Cleric package in a group and it is pretty easy to leave a Minstrel on powersong and heal/buff with the cleric.

As for fair, this game is not fair in anyway you just have to look at the amount of posts about Gimped Char, Unfair RA, CC issues and so on. I am part of a very small guild so should i claim it is not fair that the larger guilds get all the drops from legion/dragon raids?

The richer guilds will always do better than the poor guilds or guilds with only 10 or so members.

i enjoy this game even with the huge amount of "unfairness".

 

[hjalthor]

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Originally posted by hjalthor

A buff is a buff no matter where or from whom u get it.



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No it is not!

A buff from a vulnerable active player who can be killed to drop the buff is fine.

A buff from a bot who influences the fight from an untargetable position is totally differant.

What did Mythic say about players using roofs of milegates etc?

I seem to recall it was along the lines of 'if the player can be targetted and killed it is fine but if they can't then it is an exploit and action will be taken'

How is there any difference between the buffbot and the player who uses wallbug/roofbug? Both unfairly influence a fight from an invulnerable position.
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So what u say is that a player AFK while having buffed are exploiting the game or is it the player with the buffs??
An the exploit that I can stay Inside the TK are?????
And when u defend a keep u do remember to bring out the char that have buffed u, cusz otherwise u are exploiting by ur own words

Im not exploiting the game, I dont hide inside a wall, or anything, trying to kill people, or get unseen behind them, I dont move.

If you can get mytic or GOA to lable beeing AFK as an exploit, you have a golden future as a sales man/woman.

I have seen no reason for me to stop using my bot, and no where are there anything about people not allowed to own more than one account, so cant call it an exploit or unfair, it is no more unfair or an exploit than a lvl50 tank being able to kill a lvl30 mage in melee with no trouble.