BT : Bring it on .............

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Ono

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BT Fuck faces


Try it. Go on. I dare you.


I've been looking for an excuse to go elsewhere for ages.


I'll fucking uproot my ADSL, my BT phone line and move from O2 to Vodaphone just to fuck them off.


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dysfunction

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I'm all for that!!

I'm sick of their crap!
 
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S-Gray

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hmmm, so they are gonna start to warn users who "exceed" it?

What the fuck are we paying £30p/m for?
 
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Testin da Cable

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pah teh sucks :p





by the way I believe that my cable has a 5GB/month thingy so one gig per day isn't really stingy imo. do you know how much traffic you have to generate to come close to a gig? </devils advocate>
 
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Sar

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No cap on NTL cable modems afaik.

And with my pr0n habit that's a fortunate thing tbh.

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dysfunction

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Originally posted by Sar
No cap on NTL cable modems afaik.

And with my pr0n habit that's a fortunate thing tbh.

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Probably use a lot more than 5GB/day...
 
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danger

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motherfuckers! That's just for BTOW isp right? this isn't a network wide BT fuck-everyone-in-the-ass(tm)

/me runs up and smashes the head of BT's car Big Lebowski Stylee "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUCK A STRANGER IN THE ASS" hehe


Still, I think it sux you pay a ridiculously high price for broadband just to have your bandwidth limited?

wankers.
 
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.Cask

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Yer that'll just be for BTo customers, which quite frankly, I'm surprised any still exist.
 
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danger

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Originally posted by dysfunction


They used to be called BT Cellnet...
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Yes but BT Sold cellnet off hence the name change.. at least that's what I thought happened.
 
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Nos-

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Just found this Q & A for BT Openworld Anytime

Q Why has BT Openworld got a 150 hour restriction?
A We take these measures to ensure that the majority of customers, 95% can enjoy fast, reliable access to the web. By curtailing the usage of a tiny percentage of our customers, 5%, we can significantly improve the quality of service.

Q How many customers will be affected by this?
A Research shows that this will affect less than 5% of our Anytime customers.

5%? Surely there must be more than this!
 
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Summo

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Originally posted by PR.
Yup, then they sold it cos it was one of the few profit making companys that BT owned so to reduce their £7bill debt they flogged it.

I hear they are now interested in starting back into the mobile market


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2290295.stm
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This actually makes some brilliant business sense, imo. BT had unmanageable debts of £30bn and needed to make some cash quick. They sell a successful arm of the monster with a good brand name and network in BT Cellnet for a lot of money. These days the debt is fine. They're okay, so they're in a great position to enter the lucrative mobile market from scratch. They already have the infrastructure and skills to do it and I dare say the national communications leader won't have trouble in marketing it.

Combine that with the new market-leading features they're offering (and I'd guess were planning before the Cellnet sale) and they have an excellent opportunity to launch their brand-new product without the ties of converting an existing network.

In a few years maybe they could sell this new one for hods of cash and start again.
 
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Sar

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Originally posted by Nos-
Just found this Q & A for BT Openworld Anytime

Q Why has BT Openworld got a 150 hour restriction?
A We take these measures to ensure that the majority of customers, 95% can enjoy fast, reliable access to the web. By curtailing the usage of a tiny percentage of our customers, 5%, we can significantly improve the quality of service.

Q How many customers will be affected by this?
A Research shows that this will affect less than 5% of our Anytime customers.

5%? Surely there must be more than this!
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Certainly I'd imagine a damn sight more than 5% of the people on this forum would exceed 150 hours per month, which initially sounds a lot, until you realise that that's an average of only 5hrs per day (assuming a 30 day month) approx.

When I'm not at college at night, I'll be on from about 3pm until I go to bed at about 3am. Obviously I'm not at the PC that whole time, but the net connection is open, usually with IRC running.
 
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Testin da Cable

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Originally posted by Summo
This actually makes some brilliant business sense, imo
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sure it does. they all do it aiiii
 
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whipped

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Did anyone actually read the article. It's only the dial-up service that is being capped at the moment. People were simply stressing their fears that this may sneak on over to the braodband side of things.

Hence the "I dare you" from Ono.

Sorry for being a nit picker.
 
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GDW

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Sorry to rock the boat but ive hat BTO for 15 months now and really cant complain about it at all. :clap:


...but if they do that then Ill leave for sure
 
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dysfunction

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I am using the Dial Up Service!!

When I get broadband I will not be using BT if I can help it!!
 
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Damini

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I still hate them for my £800 ish phone bill from way back when. BT are hateful mercenaries, and I wish them all to whither away.

*Though in all honesty, the broad band we had in the last house was fairly stable, bar the couple times it went down for whole days. Pipex is an erratic creature*
 
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prime1

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Ive foudn Nildram to be trouble free, maybe 1 or 2 short glitches in a year.


Im having trouble seeing how any modem can cause bandwith troubles, 1 ADSL must be somethign like 10 modems worth of bandwith anyway.

tbh i can see BTs future case for ADSL, cause ADSL uses that contention ratio thingy, if u get sum cunt on there constantly downloading video and audio files it can potentially mucak around with everyone elses con on that bundle, and i guess their entire network eventually if there are enuff of them. Like it or not, hardcore gamers & leechers are the minority on these things, its the casual user that makes BT the most money, and its the casual user that can therefore expect the most support.

Its the same sorta reasoning as to why a clan game server costs more if its public than if its private, public servers take up far more bandwith, so you have to pay more (i run a private server and when its private it uses soemthing like 50-100meg a day, when its public it uses between 500 and 1000 a day :/).

Although BT will have to make the distinction between the two, as some of their client base probably wouldnt be there now if those restrictions were in place at the time they applied.

If you dont like it, go to a competitor, theres plenty of choice, and many of them are better as it is.
 
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dysfunction

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The world is moving to an always on connection in every home.

If they cannot cope with the current demand then they need to upgrade their systems!

Whats the point in progressing with broadband if you restrict peoples usage?!?!

When the telephone was avaible to everyone there were no restrictions on how long you could spend on the phone so why should there be for internet access???

If there were more companies around with BT's Infrustructure in this country they wouldnt have given any kind of restriction a second thought!
 
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stu

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Yet more frothy mouthed rantings about BT...

The restriction of Anytime is just that. Anytime is a dialup service. Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if limits are imposed upon ADSL downloads by vendors as well.

The flat fee always on unmetred model is unsustainable. The Yanks have already started realising this - @Home and RR (the two biggest domestic broadband suppliers) are already making moves to migrate the vast majority of their users to a capped service. You'll have an uncapped service available to you, but you'll have to pay extra. Telewest already know it, they've been talking about capping TW cable downloads for ages. NTL know it. But of course as soon as BT mention it the knives come out.

The problem is caused by a tiny fraction of customers. ISPs really do not give a shit about you leaving your PC idling all day long. Unfortunately they do care about people who have their bandwidth constantly maxed out, running servers/downloading vcds/etc. It only takes a very small minority of users like this to screw the network for everyone else. Home ADSL is on a 50/1 contention ratio - that means if 2% of users are maxing their lines out 24/7, that has a very real and detrimental effect on other users. And the people who use their connection like this are invariably home users - an ISPs major revenue stream comes from business users. They are not going to let a small hardcore of home users screw their business accounts - end of. (And yes I know Home users aren't on the same contention as Business users - but all the data ends up going through the same routers eventually.)

Now you can argue that it's unfair until you're blue in the face. You can say that the whole reason you pay for £30/month broadband is so that you can enjoy always on unmetred service. But unfortunately everyone's £30/month doesn't cover the total cost of everyone's unmetred service. Your subscription probably covers your own (unless you're one of the aforementioned leeches), but you've got to 'pick up the slack' for the people overusing. Saying "well upgrade the network then!" is utterly irrelevant - you're not generating enough revenue for the network upgrades to be made. You want an upgraded network, pay extra.

The rate that is currently being thrown around is 1gb/day. I personally can't think of a rational need to download regularly more than 1gb of information a day, on average. Sure there will be some days when I'll exceed that, but unless BT move to a day-by-day system tariff system (very unlikely) that means you get 30gb or so on a monthly basis. I very much doubt that most of you actually use more than 30gb of traffic per month. And if you are, and you actually need to download more than 30gb of traffic on average per month (and chain-downloading VCDs which you burn and never watch is not needing to use the bandwidth), then you should be on a business tariff.
 
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Gumbo

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Just moved from my BTO account to clara.net, more money, but no pesky 2 hour cut-off, it remains to be seen if they get pissed off with my usage.

Sorry to rock the boat but ive hat BTO for 15 months now and really cant complain about it at all.

...but if they do that then Ill leave for sure
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I'm afraid they are doing it, look at the tiny headline on the BTOpenworld website when you connect. I must admit I found there service good aswell, but a little under 5 hours a day is useless to me.

I can't get broadband of any description short of satellite here, so I'm stuck with dialup. BT already get 30 quid a month out of me for isdn anyway, cnuts.

Ah well they'll go the way of Railtrack soon, then we can all laugh at them.
 
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Insane

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Originally posted by Gumb0

I can't get broadband of any description short of satellite here, so I'm stuck with dialup. BT already get 30 quid a month out of me for isdn anyway, cnuts.
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Thats exactly the same dilema as I am :(

the bastard thing is that the housing estates either side of the one I live in can get ADSL, but our junction box is "incompatible" with the service :eek: which BT wont fix even tho theres 28+ families in the estate crying out for it.

worst thing is that you cant curse BT to hell, because they are already running it :p
 
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Gumbo

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Heh, and according to Private Eye The current crop of BT Broadband ads are costing 1 million pounds a day to run. How many exchanges could they convert for that money?

And how long will it take them to make the money back at £30 a month per new subscriber attracted by the ads.

Plus when the potential new BT subscribers realise there's a usage limit on the way and that it's cheaper elsewhere, they'll be really screwed.

I t would be really funny if it wasn't so painfully true.
 
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Wij

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Hmm, 1gig a day on average would be fine for me tbh but I want to move from BTo anyway because I am informed their peering is shite compared to other ADSL providers :/
 
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