BT are wankers - discuss

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Stazbumpa

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Actually, Embattle has half a point (shock! horror!), ISDN is tried and tested and I am considering it as well. If you don't mind, how much is it costing and where do you go to get it.
Stupid question maybe, but stupid is as stupid does (??)

luv and hugs

Staz
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Embattle

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Right I pay £40 a month and that gives me £13 worth of free calls each month. I'm currently with RHA which works well for me and when I do have special games I can use a pay one, but since I have £13 worth of calls it doesn't matter :)

http://www.bt.com/homehighway/ - Go here and you'll find a number of different cost options.
 
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Stazbumpa

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Cheers.

erm....can u get it installed and be connected by someone else? I think World Online do ISDN but would I still have to get it installed by BT?
 
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old.Rail

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Online gamers like us are realy the only people who complain abut BT. this is because we want the best connection at the cheapest price.But people who just use the phone, to phone people will not boycot BT because they dont have much to complain about. so if we all did boycot BT it wouldn't make a difference just a few thousand gamers.

I h8 BT because we paid back are quater phone bill of £570
this took my family (im 17) 5 months to pay it back i have been off BT 5 months without online q2. We paid are bill 2 weeks ago and they havent bovered to put us on yet.

Im gona blow up BT HQ

[THG]RailWizard
 
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Ono

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Originally posted by Embattle
Right I pay £40 a month and that gives me £13 worth of calls
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Is £13 enough?

My dial up charges are about £70 per month at the mo.

And, how is this cheaper than ADSL m8? Is it not the same price but ADSL does give a lot more than a measly £13 per month?!

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old.[IAM]Hmmm

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I've just been to their website to try out my phone number in their search. Since I have their Home Highway service already, I got this msg:

"Conflicting Services
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A standard BT phone line is a simple conversion.
As Highway and ISDN are non standard lines BT is currently TRAILING the upgrade to ENSURE THE BEST LEVEL OF CUSTOMER SERVICE, please call our order handling desk to alert them you need a special conversion. If you have another standard BT phone line you could convert to ADSL please restart your order entering the new number. "

What a pile of wank.

[I AM]Hmmm
 
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Ono

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As I said Hmmm BT are just screwing you HH and ISDN customers for as much as they can before you 'come to the Darkside' and get your ADSL.


BTW Emb m8, WTF is RHA?
 
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Guest

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I also have Home Highway, and was a bit peeved about that message.

However, I received my email asking me to order, and I had no problems (I rang the number in the email rather than go on the website). The order is passed on to another department, who arrange for your line to be converted back to standard, and then upgraded to ADSL.

October 13th is the big day :D
 
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old.[IAM]Hmmm

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I'll be onto them like a dog on heat then...

Not sure if they're rolling out on the south coast yet though...
 
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old.ED209

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gonna take me 1 week (meing 2) to reconnect back to BT sooo what fun ill be having ,i think ill actually brave real life for a bit.....
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bids

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Having read this thread for the first time, I'll stick my 2p's worth in.

BT suck big time.

When you look at how europe and the US have developed over the past ten years it makes you realise how we're being screwed by BT. They are a commercial organisation that have to protect their market share, but when this is done at the expense of the consumer, then OFTEL need to do something. Look at the ADSL fiasco, ISDN charges, unmetered net access, local loop unbundling. It's probably OFTEL that need the kicking for not making BT open up their monopoly in certain areas.

We have the misfortune of having BT links at work (Frame Relay, Kilostream, messaging services and ISDN). We do not have the option of going elsewhere, as these services are negotiated nationally in the NHS, and BT are the only telco able to support the number of users at the mo. The quality of support we get, and the reliability of the services is absolutely crap. Value for money is none existent !Hopefully, when the services are re-tendered in two years time, they'll get rid.

When BT are finally forced to release their strangle hold on the telecomms network in the UK, it won't be long before they have to start competing 'properly', instead of milking their current services, or end up like British Steel and the British Coal companies.

Rant over ;)
 
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Stazbumpa

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sounds just like BT, charge what they like and give a shite service.

Fantastic.
 
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old.[IAM]Hmmm

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I saw a BTOpenworld promo stand at the train station today. Shall I go up to each of them and kick their asses for every time they've fobbed me off with this ADSL marketing bullshit?

Aaaaargh (rage)
 
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Ono

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DO NOT GET BTOPENWORLD ADSL!

It is expensive and slow as shit.

It also has a habit of overheating the phone socket causing fires which can gut a whole house.

It also spreads Aids and the Ebola.

It is also a supporter of Slobodan Milosovic and has given arms to his troops.

It smells and likes little boys.

I repeat:

DO NOT GET BTOPENWORLD ADSL.




(that should keep the contention below 80:1 on my loop :p)
 
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old.herp

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wol and bt

Right well you can leave worldonline if you so wish.

Because they have fundamentally changed the terms to which you had originally signed up for eg....24/7 access u only need give them 30 days notice. If you are going back to bt just phone 150 and ask sales to transfer your service, u wont have to notify worldonline bt will do it for you.

Bt internet by credit card is free to use on isdn 64k only

If you connect at 128k you will be charged for both calls

Bt surftime allows connection of 128k but you have to find a participating isp that will allow channel bonding

I hope this helps
 
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Ono

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Just got a phone bill from World Online today.
Nothing unusual about that .... except I left the wankers and rejoined BT in JUNE! WO gave me loads of grief transferring back to BT and was glad to have got rid of them, now this!!!

Apparently they did this audit thing with BT and found that there was about £110 worth of call charges not billed to me dating back to March.

All I can say is:

WORLDONLINE ARE ARE BUNCH OF GAY F:mad:CKERS WHO DESERVE THEIR BUSINESS TO GO DOWN THE PAN.

I have never ever dealt with a more incompetent company in my years of dealing with incompetent companies.

I won't even bother to mention what else wEnt wrong when I was with them suffice to say I was one of the first SCREAMING.NET customers.

If anyone who works for WO reads this tell your boss to go F:mad:CK himself and his board of directors.
 
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old.ED209

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yes ono ,WOL r a bunch of coonts

i rang up WOL saying i wanted to switch back to BT ,and they said you cant do it over the phone,u have to sign a letter or something.well i was meant to receive the letter today.but no such luck.so i am stuck watching the fecking clock hoping not to rack up a hefty phonebill.So since monday ive been reliving such classics as Q1 Doom 2,and playing those ever so clever CS bots (the ones that buy a colt fire 1 bullet pull out the pistol and receive a hail of lead in there face).
i did try playing CS last night (at around 3 am) and my ping was unbearable.be4 i used to ping at 188ms-220ms now its reaching 250ms spiking upto 320ms.
i hope BT give me a better ping or im gonna have 2 fork out for ISDN meaning no new PC 4 me.
i spit on u WOL your service is like a cheap ciggy,ala MAYFAIR
 
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Ono

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Gonna start a new thread......

World Online are even bigger Wankers....discuss.
 
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old.YORX Excelcus

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Originally posted by stazbumpa
I just got an Email from my ISP (World Online) notifying me of changes to their pricing system. In my particular case, I subscribe to their Freedom 24 package (£14.99/month) for unmetered net access 24/7.
As of Oct 11th 2000 this will become 100 hours of unmetered net access, anything else being charged at 1p per min.
This is all because BT won't settle the FRIACO debate with other ISP's and Oftel; enabling ISP's to buy net access as a lump and pay a fixed price for it instead of being charged per min by BT; and have managed to drag the proccedings out long enough to force ISP's like WO to make the above price changes.
The problem as i see it is two-fold; firstly BT are complete shit heads for hanging on to the way things used to be when state run and refusing to allow anybody else who may give the customer a fair deal into the arena.
Secondly; Oftel are spineless as BT are obviously in a monopoly position (they supply and charge every ISP in the country, yet the cost to BT itself is far less) and have not done anything about it.
BT have screwed any ideas about umetered access from anyone bar them, and I dread to think what the situation will be when ADSL is running proper.

What do you lot think, or was this post a waste of time?
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They are indeed capitalist pigs, in it for the money. One would think Oftel would step in but they're equally as spineless. For the time being BT runs the UK comms system, in its' entirety. This is set to change however, by spring. Unmetered access will be here by then, in reality, not just soundbite. If you look around you'll find a good ISP with unmetered access. A couple of recommendations:

1. I use AOL, partly because of links to the USA but also because they finally went unmetered for £15 a month. So far the new access number is a little temperamental but in general it's fine. Also, while AOL is useless for games more demanding than AOEII, it's strong for web browsing due to detailed compatibility and of course Netscape, bless 'em. Even if you want to use IE then you can. Quite why you'd want to I don't know. Because AOL have financial clout they're the first ISP to negotiate access to the local exchanges and get the fair (ish) deal with BT that every ISP deserves. While AOL are little more than more whores at the great capitalist gang-bang themselves, they will be seen to have been the first ISP to stand up to and defeat BT on this issue and in that open the flood gates for unmetered access for all, as is evident in the USA, Germany, France and Australia. If they have it, we will too, eventually. When in the US I can sit online all day long if I want to and still pay just £15 a month, I can play games 24:7 for the same cost. It's INTERNET FRIENDLY. Any BT workers or family of BT workers reading this, heard of The Spanish Inquisition?? YOUR DAY WILL COME. No soul.

2. Get Freeserve UK and their direct dial service. It's speedy, reliable, FREE and while it doesn't have its' own browser you can use NETSCAPE weeeeeeee. Seriously tho, fast and free. I even use it for Cstrike sometimes and get a steady 170 ping off my modem. Ditch the World-Online unless you have reasons to keep it such as some sweetheart living in Bogota (who is probably sucking the schnitzel of some guy named Jesus as we speak) to whom you can only speak via WO.

Helpfully and arguably incendiarily,
YORRIC.
 
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old.[TMC]Santro

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ISDN is fine with BT although I can't remember if you can duel it these days. I switched to RedHotAnt and am happy with them although you need ISDN to get connected somedays -unless you're prepared to put up with 100 odd dialling attempts with a modem!
On BarrysWorld I can generally ping in the region of 100 which is luxury compared to what I remember of Modems :)

As for WOL - if they've changed the contract from what was advertised as a genuine 24/7 ISP when u signed up, there is no way they can hold you to a binding agreement - I'd dump 'em swiftly and demand a refund for any unused time etc...!
 
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old.[RaveN]DaGoD

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I'd get ADSL but not off BT. My advice wait for the price drop then get it but then again anything off BT... :p
 
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Mr_Horus

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Originally posted by [KiL]Kamelion
BT are really good, which other telephone company would give you adsl on a contention ratio of 20:1
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Uhhhhm no,you do not get ADSL on a contention of 20:1. Thats only on the mega fuck off expensive business one.

I will be quite happy to either fork out for Cable Modem when i have the money or fork out for BarryDSL
/me pokes Utumno- Hurry up and get everything sorted =]
 
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Mr_Horus

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Originally posted by stazbumpa
For the time being BT runs the UK comms system, in its' entirety.
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Lies. NTL, Telewest and Cable and Wireless all have their own networks totaly independant of BT. Thats how they can charge lower prices and undercu(n)t BT =]
 
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Stazbumpa

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Very true, but unfortunately not all of us can get cable (I live in Skegness and it stopped at Grantham), so as far as most people are concerned BT does, in effect, own the comms system.

I would gladly get cable as it is fast and not BT, but as I say, for me, the stagecoach stopped in Grantham.

Bugger. :(
 
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old.mrfuller

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Hi There,

My experience with BT.

<RANT>

Order BT Highway...
Cannot have Highway, too far from exchange...

Pre-Order ADSL...
Give up on BT, waiting too long.

Order ADSL from EasyNet, it's a good deal, 20:1, 13 Static IP's, Cisco Router, decieded on 1mb version, available NOW...
Cannot have EasyDSL, line noise too high.

12 Phone calls to BT and 2 Engineer visits, line no better and still too far away (5.3km). I spoke to an ADSL engineer at Easynet, who told me off the record, ADSL can be stretched to 8km.

More phone calls to BT to try and get noise levels down... nothing they can do... give up with ADSL.

Phone Telewest.... Blue Yonder not avaiable yet (bummer).

Order ISDN from BT...
Can't have ISDN, too much line noise, holy christ I can't bl00dy win.

Phone BT again and explain about being refused for any digital services due to line noise, can they fix it ? They basically say no there's nothing they can do.

MODEMS..... don't talk to me about MODEMS !!! Obviously the line noise means I very rarely get a connection about 38k, and when I do it's unreliable, and CS is unplayable. Will BT fix this line noise ??? will they heck.

BT are next to useless, there support is terrible, and I get the impression that they just don't give a toss, when they couldn't instantly fix my line problem they gave up rather than spend more time and money to fix the problem.

So now i'm waiting for Blue Yonder to be released by Telewest (hopefully soon). This is my last option, if this fails, I'm screwed, if it works then I'll also be tranfering my phone lines to them in protest of BT's unwilingness to help.

</RANT>

<deeep breath>

<jumps off soap box>

Cheers

Marc
 
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Ono

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Feel sorry for you mate. If I was in that situation I would move house!

The BT guy is coming on Friday to install my ADSL but having read all the problems peeps have had with line noise and all that I really do fear it may not go too smoothly. Plus the fact that BTOW has had problems with the connection and non-recycled IP addresses causing probs.

Also, for some reason my modem connection now rarely goes above 38kbps even though it use to be 48kbps. I haven't changed anything on my PC. Weird.

Anyhows, your last chance may be satellite broadband. Duno much about it but go here:
http://www.broadband-help.com for more info.
 
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