bring back capital punishment

[SawTooTH]

The belief in modern forensics being infallible is woefully inadequate. Miscarriages of justice are still occurring in this DNA fingerprinting age. The fact that they suspected foul play in Jersey and a fragment of skull turns out to be a bit of old coconut doesn't inspire confidence, given the time they had to examine it.

There's no such thing as absolute certainty, just probability and even then there's a chance its wrong.

Im sure those people who condemned the guilty when capital punishment existed believed beyond a shadow of doubt that they were guilty but they were wrong in some instances. Thats the trouble with putting humans into the equation, there are bound to be injustices. You can't have a system where a few innocents are sacrificed for the sake of appeasing a blood thirsty public.

 

[MYstIC G]

Since we're on the "eye for an eye" subject I do find it fascinating that the cellar freak kept his daughter locked up for 24 years but none of his crimes seem to carry a minimum 24 year term?

BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Cellar father faces murder charge

 

[Calaen]

I think you'll find looking back that the media blew this up to be a massive grave.

Having x,y & z suddenly come forward with cries of abuse and wretched evil these things had to be followed up.

 

[Scouse]

Since we're on the "eye for an eye" subject

That's just shit from the bible tho m8. There's no justice in religion. What was done wrong there can't be put right. Ever.

 

[MYstIC G]

I'm not interested in that, put it in a fairness context. How is it fair that he can lock someone in a room for 24 years and his punishment, which equates to being locked in a room that is doubtless of equivalent or lower harshness, will be for a time shorter than that he inflicted on his victim?

 

[Scouse]

It's not. But he's obviously a mental-case so how do you come to a "fair" solution?

 

[MYstIC G]

You never can because "fair" is subjective. However I don't see how a system which works on the principal of deterrent can work in any circumstance where the punishment is lesser than the offence.

 

[Scouse]

You never can because "fair" is subjective. However I don't see how a system which works on the principal of deterrent can work in any circumstance where the punishment is lesser than the offence.

I agree about fair being subjective and I understand that the system works on a principle of deterrent.

However, how can you deter a mental-case?

Answer is - you can't - because they don't think logically. So maybe we need a new system? (And I don't mean killing people after the fact...)

 

[Macey]

Erm my Grandad took a shit 53 years ago, it's an irrelevant fact.

He might be the one thats defiling your lawn mate.

 

[Trem]

He might be the one thats defiling your lawn mate.

No, that was me.

 

[throdgrain]

"Oh he's a mental case" therefore we dont deal with it properly.


Ted Nugent would know how to sort him out

 

[Dukat]

"Oh he's a mental case" therefore we dont deal with it properly.


Ted Nugent would know how to sort him out

Is he a relative of Dave Trousers?

 

[Trem]

Is he a relative of Dave Trousers?

Even Ted wouldn't mess with Dave Trousers, hes vicious

 

[Wij]

Never mind Capital Punishment or not. This case makes my eyes wet every time I see it. I can't bring myself to read the articles. The pictures of his little blood-soaked clothes bring a lump to my throat. I just want to give the poor little man a hug but it's too late now.

 

[throdgrain]

I think he may have an answer



(I dont necessarily subscribe to it all, Nath, before you start )

 

[nath]

"I don't like repeat offenders, I like dead offenders."

That could have been written by Chris Morris! "The don't deserve punishment, they deserve gunishment!". Anyway, that guy's a simpleton .

 

[throdgrain]

I quite like the first phrase, in a mental kind of way

 

[old.user4556]

I loved that

 

[Yoni]

This case makes my eyes wet every time I see it. I can't bring myself to read the articles. The pictures of his little blood-soaked clothes bring a lump to my throat. I just want to give the poor little man a hug but it's too late now.

This is where my sentiments lay also.

Although I can not and will not subscrible to captial punishment. I just can't. I have thought about this subject many times and I just could not bring myself to take someone elses life no matter what they have done. In my opinion I would feel that I have lowered myself to their level.

Yes what has happened is disgusting and yes those responsible either need a lot of help or they are completely evil. Either way lowering myself to their level for some kind of revenge doesn't work for me.

This before I join the arguments re innocents being hung / shot / injected / beheaded / electrocuted etc etc etc

 

[Ctuchik]

theres no point in capital punishment tbh. isnt USA the perfect evidence of that? criminals will still commit the crimes that there are a capital punishment on.

ok so they might get killed because of it but for what purpose? its not gonna make what they did undone. and tbh, killing them is just making it easy for the criminals.

sure they might be scared shitless for 5 minutes but when its done they dont really give a fuck anymore.

death penalty in USA is (or rather, used to be) based on a theological view that "evil ppl go to hell when they die". claiming that THAT is the punishment, not the death itself.

killing someone sure as hell isnt much of a punishment for more then the 10 seconds it takes for them to realize that (s)he's actually dying.

death penalty isnt solving shit.

 

[Ctuchik]

and another thing, as long as ppl can battle the death sentance in court having that is just gonna cost the country many many times more then just having them locked up for life.

 

[throdgrain]

This is where my sentiments lay also.

Although I can not and will not subscrible to captial punishment. I just can't. I have thought about this subject many times and I just could not bring myself to take someone elses life no matter what they have done. In my opinion I would feel that I have lowered myself to their level.

Yes what has happened is disgusting and yes those responsible either need a lot of help or they are completely evil. Either way lowering myself to their level for some kind of revenge doesn't work for me.

This before I join the arguments re innocents being hung / shot / injected / beheaded / electrocuted etc etc etc

No youre right. Dont take a life. Even if the owner of that life tortured and murdered a defenceless baby who couldnt do anything except hope it would be cared for.

Put the owner of that life in prison, let it stay there for 15 years or so, then let it out. Maybe to do it again.

People having been going on about revenge in this thread like it was a bad thing always, like they are so high and mighty that they are beyond how the rest of the human race thinks and has thought for the last 2 thousand years at least.

After a few beers tonight, it strikes me that revenge is exactly what society is crying out for, but thinks itself too highbrow to accept. If you ask me, this is the same logic that accuses me of cruelty for shooting a rabbit as it tucks in to a Big Mac.

 

[nath]

People having been going on about revenge in this thread like it was a bad thing always, like they are so high and mighty that they are beyond how the rest of the human race thinks and has thought for the last 2 thousand years at least.

I'll respond to this as I'm one of the anti death-penalty brigade. You're completely wrong if you think that's my attitude. In fact, if someone ever hurt a person close to me I'd feel a strong urge to <insert all sorts of wildly violent and graphic things here>. I've no doubt I'd feel the same way if I could bring myself to read about this toddler murder, but I can't. The thing is, just because I have those feelings doesn't mean I feel they should be law. I'm not going to feel guilty about them, I'm not going to say they're bad/wrong but I don't agree that it should be legal or even carried out by society. Shit, if we made laws based on my violent feelings I'd be legally allowed to disembowel teenagers that litter. Clearly that's not a good idea though*.







*Well it's a great idea, but it's not going to happen.

 

[SawTooTH]

What Nath said

 

[throdgrain]

Shit, if we made laws based on my violent feelings I'd be legally allowed to disembowel teenagers that litter. Clearly that's not a good idea though*.







*Well it's a great idea, but it's not going to happen.

Well, I've heard worse ideas ....

 

[tierk]

Bring back the death penalty, simple. I am happy to face the prospect of getting a few cases of wrongful conviction so long as we get the majority of the people that deserve a death sentence.

I dont say this because it saves money or anything like this rather that if you take a life then be prepared to have your taken and preferably in a slow and painful way.

The final decision for the death sentence to be carried out or not should be with the victims familly and noone else. If they decide to give clemenency then all good let the fucker live, if they dont then kill them.

Examples of people laughing in the UK because of a lack of justice.

Ian Bradley and Myra Hindley - Rosemary and Fred West - Peter Sutcliffe - Jon Venables and Robert Thompson - JUST TO NAME A FEW.

 

[Laddey]

Off to jail they go, 3 square meals a day and a radio / playstation 2 in your cell.

 

[Trem]

Off to jail they go, 3 square meals a day and a radio / playstation 2 in your cell.

Doubt it.

They will be catergory A prisoners, they will get shit on 24 hours a day.

 

[Mabs]

Doubt it.

They will be catergory A prisoners, they will get shit on 24 hours a day.

go down for "life", out in 6 months for "good behaviour" ? *





*may be a slight exageration

 

[lecter]

I'm glad you lot are not going to be anywhere near government. Not that i'm in any way condoning what those guys did.

Firstly it is never going to happen. A moritorium on the death penalty is a requirement for being in the european union.

Secondly the death penalty costs more than life in prison.