bring back capital punishment

[Mabs]

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BBC NEWS | England | London | Men found guilty of baby's death

 

[old.Tohtori]

No, just more strict child "take away" laws.

How the hell can someone just keep doing that and "hide it" from socials. I call sloppy social work.

 

[Calaen]

Reading that actually makes me physically sick, anyone that can do that to a baby or let someone get away with it should be in the ground.

 

[Mabs]

Reading that actually makes me physically sick, anyone that can do that to a baby or let someone get away with it should be in the ground.

id be more "an eye for an eye" type person

put them in a room, and beat the living shit out of them, break their spine, see how funny they find it

then leave them to die

 

[ECA]

Can't we just bring back the Colosseum and make them fight lions?

 

[Mabs]

No, just more strict child "take away" laws.

How the hell can someone just keep doing that and "hide it" from socials. I call sloppy social work.

i dont know how it works exactly

but i have a nasty feeling it goes something like:

suspect something
fill in a form
fill in another form
fill in another form
give them to someone in an office
they go to the bottom of a large pile
they may get processed before next summer

 

[Belgerath]

Can't we just bring back the Colosseum and make them fight lions?

Naw someone will complain about having a chat of the lion getting hurt (as small as it is)

Now robo lions, that has a definate appeal !

 

[old.Tohtori]

i dont know how it works exactly

but i have a nasty feeling it goes something like:

suspect something
fill in a form
fill in another form
fill in another form
give them to someone in an office
they go to the bottom of a large pile
they may get processed before next summer

If you're lucky that is.

Kind of like all services

 

[Chilly]

I think psychos like this appear regardless of punishment. I think capital punishment would be far more effective dealing with more general violent crime and antisocial behaviour. I dont just mean executions. give the ***** 40 lashings!

 

[Dark Orb Choir]

the system failed, and that "doctor" who looked at the child in the clinic 2 days before it died needs striking off, but tbh she will get suspended on full pay of over £100,000 a year and that will take 3 years for the thing to get to a tribunal, just like the other week when another "doctor" of a certain similar ethnic background got paid over £300,000 for sitting on her arse whilst the local health authority tried to get her to a tribunal.

i say "doctor" as its easy to get a job in this country if you are a "doctor" from another country (even though the examinations or almomst always easier ot pass than in the UK, that doesnt seem to be taken into account)


afaik there is no watchdog for social service care (eg monitoring how good at doing their jobs the social workers are)

fucking thing stinks, and it always has done.

just my 2p

 

[tris-]

(even though the examinations or almomst always easier ot pass than in the UK, that doesnt seem to be taken into account)

any proof for this?

i take it you sat exams for becoming a doctor then, both in the uk and outside it?


i would definatley say something fishy went on at the doctors.

 

[Dukat]

Naw someone will complain about having a chat of the lion getting hurt (as small as it is)

Now robo lions, that has a definate appeal !

robo lions arent as good as the real thing

I SAY PAH! TO YOUR ROBO LIONS!!!

 

[Scouse]

I don't get it:

1)

Jason Owen, 36, from Bromley, and a 32-year-old had denied killing the child in August 2007

and:

2)

The boy's mother had pleaded guilty to causing the death of the child

and:

3)

Both men were found not guilty of the child's murder or manslaughter at the Old Bailey.

but:

4)

They were convicted of the specific charge of "causing or allowing the death of a child or vulnerable person", under section five of the Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Act 2004.

The law was brought in to prevent several adults blaming each other for the death of a child or vulnerable adult.

Does that mean that they just couldn't figure out who did it so just jailed them both? What if one, or even both, of the men didn't abuse the kid?

Does it mean that if you live with a woman who goes loopy and kills your child you can get banged up for it?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Does it mean that if you live with a woman who goes loopy and kills your child you can get banged up for it?

Are you retarded? :lol:

But, yes. Yes you can, if it's determined that it was an ongoing abuse and you did nothing to stop it. Fun eh?!

 

[Raven]

No, it means that they allowed it to happen when a normal person would have stepped in to stop it.

As for capital punishment, no. Just brand them as a rapist, kiddy fiddler or whatever and put them in the hard case wing of the prison, they will get their just rewards soon enough.

 

[Scouse]

But, yes. Yes you can, if it's determined that it was an ongoing abuse and you did nothing to stop it. Fun eh?!

No, it means that they allowed it to happen when a normal person would have stepped in to stop it.

That is, of course, if you can prove that they were aware that the mother was being abusive. Oh, apparently not. 'cause it's a kid we just lock as many people up as possible...

As for capital punishment, no. Just brand them as a rapist, kiddy fiddler or whatever and put them in the hard case wing of the prison, they will get their just rewards soon enough.

The case for not bringing back capital punishment rests, m'lud!

 

[throdgrain]

I agree with Mabs.

 

[Macey]

Your a fool. Capital punishment is the most ridiculous, out dated archaic idea ever.

The whole thing is a massive tragedy, the people involved deserve punishment/help. Anyone who does that kind of thing is clearly unhinged, just immediately screaming "kill the bad man" just smacks of irrational blood lust.

 

[Spyteful]

Decent social services cost money. Social services are not sexy government. Social workers (and I work with them, here and there) and social services are undermotivated, underresourced and undervalued. Nobody ever gives them a big pat on the back for taking a kid away from its mum to put it in a shitty home, where it stands bugger all chance of getting into higher education and every prospect of getting into crime.

My vote is for the entire population to be offered (but not forced) sterilisation for £500. Then the scum could chose to take the cash and spend it on vodka and wouldn't be able to have any more kids. A bit right wing maybe, but it'd work.

 

[throdgrain]

Your a fool. Capital punishment is the most ridiculous, out dated archaic idea ever.

The whole thing is a massive tragedy, the people involved deserve punishment/help. Anyone who does that kind of thing is clearly unhinged, just immediately screaming "kill the bad man" just smacks of irrational blood lust.

It's nature mate. Its also just fucking rewards. It's easy to say like you did, oh they go to prison, but why should we pay all that money to house them for 12 years then let them go? So they can do it again. That baby didnt gea chance of life. People who do things like that make a choice to do so. Once that choice has been made, they know the consequences, and they should recieve the consequences. At the moment they dont care as much, you can do the bird and you're out in a few years. After dropping to the depths of the lowest behaviour a human being can sink to.

If you aruge someone like Ian Huntley was in some way compulsive and couldnt help himself, but can be cured, so thats ok, I'd reply he cant be cured, he's a genetic disaster, and executing him would not only be doing society a favour, but him one too.

 

[Calaen]

Your a fool. Capital punishment is the most ridiculous, out dated archaic idea ever.

The whole thing is a massive tragedy, the people involved deserve punishment/help. Anyone who does that kind of thing is clearly unhinged, just immediately screaming "kill the bad man" just smacks of irrational blood lust.

Thats the lawyer in you speaking

There is no help for these people, how could you hurt a child? The mere thought pains me, I know the whole system is screwed take off a bad family and stick them where they are gonna have just as little opportunity. But the kind of people that do this do not deserve to breath another breath.

As for not being charged for Murder its fucking bollocks, when you have a baby you are well aware that they rely on you for everything. Not providing them with the things they need is a pre meditated decision along with the abuse they deserve to be charged as murderes and either killed or put in a place where their lives are hell for the rest of there days.

 

[Spyteful]

Thats the lawyer in you speaking

Actually, most lawyers I work with would blind and boil these scum. Baby lawyers start out as bleeding heart liberals - but it lasts about 6 months, until they work out that there is no hope for these dregs of humanity. But still these scum want you to present their laughable defences for them.

There are only 12 people in any court room who think the defendant might not have done it ...

 

[sayward]

Guillotine. Quick and terminal.

 

[nath]

It strikes me that several peoples opinions are based on getting revenge. That's not going to make the baby feel any better (unless you're religious and believe the babies soul would be appeased or something in which case you're loony). The state shouldn't be killing people just to make others feel better. The only arguments that have any merit are those of capital punishment acting as a deterrent (which it doesn't according to most studies as far as I'm aware) or questioning why we should pay for these peoples incarceration. That last one I'm not so sure about, I vaguely remember reading that it still costs a tremendous amount of money to put someone to death, what with appeals etc. Plus there's always the concern of executing the wrong person.

 

[Mabs]

people have argued long and hard, that executing people doesnt stop other people doing the same thing
thats possibly true

but i guarantee it has a 100% success rate for re-offenders

 

[throdgrain]

Well I dont know. Is revenge a bad thing? Man has been around for some thousands of years now and an eye for an eye has alway been some kind of theory, and is still in many countries even now. We think we're above all that, and that Myra Hyndley has repented and is really cured, and should be set free to live her last years in peace.

The children she tortured and murdered of course, they arn't going to live thier last years in peace, or indeed thier middle years, because of course they're dead, and spent their last few minutes or hours screaming for thier mums, who of course couldnt help them, and died in terrible pain for the gratification of some sick twisted scumbag who thought they would get away with it. And you know what? They did get away with it in a way. Dear old repented Myra is still alive, and a bit of a celebrity in a way, and all that remains of the children she tortured and murdered is a distant memory, and of course the ruined lives of thier parents and families.

Is this right? No it isnt. Need someone to pull the lever? That piece of human excrement escaped the noose because of well-meaning people who truly cant believe the evil that exists today, just as it has alway existed. But it does exist, and it should be removed I think.

 

[Billargh]

Reading that actually makes me physically sick, anyone that can do that to a baby or let someone get away with it should be in the ground.

Same, I read the first few lines and gave up. Sickening. I'll give it a look tomorrow maybe.

 

[DaGaffer]

Well I dont know. Is revenge a bad thing? and stuff...

Which is all well and good (and I don't necessarily disagree), but its a bit of a pisser when you find out you've just executed the wrong person isn't it? That's the biggest problem with capital punishment, and why I think it shouldn't be countenanced, but its not the only one; it doesn't work as a deterrent (look at the US for proof), for instance the problem in this case is these lowlives were probably too stupid to see the consequences of their actions, both for the child and for themselves.

Corporal punishment on the other hand, I can definitely see a use for that, but in a society where you can be arrested for talking about someone in the wrong way, this seems pretty unlikely.

 

[throdgrain]

Well thankfully making the laws of the country isnt down to me or you, and yes of course you have a point about mistaken executions, however there are less mistakes made nowadays, with DNA and what have you?

As far as the states goes, well I dont know about that either, if they repealed the death sentence in some states it's not to say crime wouldnt go up ...

 

[Trem]

This scum will wish he was dead when he gets to prison.

He will get right royally fucked every which way and the prison guards will make sure of that.

Good.