Bonedancers

[venerable]

Originally posted by Mavl

So what prevents them from speccing 34/41 and insta debuffing their own insta lifetap ?

Whats the point of that debuff there anyway ?

They do!

I'm sure I have been body debuffed by Eatsinfils before he proceeded to LT me.

Seems like a big fuck up to give BDs body debuff, especially on an insta. At least make it castable, better still change it to cold like it was intended.

Let the kiddies have their moment of glory...we can all have a good chuckle when they are brought back into line.

Seems pretty dumb that one class requires such a fuss to kill. Only chance a tank has I believe is take down healer pets first, preferably with BD stunned (forget the gimp commander pet). Shame no "strategy" is needed to kill a wizzie or a runie.

Still, good news to look forward too - BDs get a pet nerf I believe in next patch (limiting the levels they can have on pets), so no more 2 green healer pets.

Be nice to see pets interrupted too.

 

[venerable]

Originally posted by kherny
but no anyways he fought for a bit , then ran and actually got away , damn that end regen running out ...

That's precisely why mid end regen gets nerfed - and it could not come any sooner.

It's bad enough having shammies try to kite your arse, but all other middies kiting too is shite.

I saw a scout the other day use TS to uncover an SB (Dinstra). He shot her rather than slammed, so she ran - my friar used his self-end regen to chase and I thought I was in for the kill - but she maintained an even distance until she stealthed. SBs have the best buffbots

I'm sure mids and hibs would be pissed off too if infs had castable end regen and did this kind of thing.

I wanna see range on ALL conc based buffs - destroy buffbots!

Bring on the patch

 

[-Nxs-]

Originally posted by venerable
I wanna see range on ALL conc based buffs - destroy buffbots!

Bring on the patch

At least they bring the mid END regen in line with Hib and Alb, where you need to be in range of the person singing it. (So what if it eats conc points)


Ohh and in line with the thread, hell yes BD's need a nerf big time, they are overpowered and they know it, havent seen anyone kill a BD one on one yet, or two on one.

 

[Kerram Darktyde]

Originally posted by venerable
That's precisely why mid end regen gets nerfed - and it could not come any sooner.

It's bad enough having shammies try to kite your arse, but all other middies kiting too is shite.

I saw a scout the other day use TS to uncover an SB (Dinstra). He shot her rather than slammed, so she ran - my friar used his self-end regen to chase and I thought I was in for the kill - but she maintained an even distance until she stealthed. SBs have the best buffbots

I'm sure mids and hibs would be pissed off too if infs had castable end regen and did this kind of thing.

I wanna see range on ALL conc based buffs - destroy buffbots!

Bring on the patch

Like infils need it <cough> Dragonfang and 2.5pts<cough>

 

[venerable]

Originally posted by Kerram Darktyde
Like infils need it <cough> Dragonfang and 2.5pts<cough>

ZzZzZ - more hit points, LA etc here we go...

Don't sidetrack this into a stealther debate - let me rephrase - middies would be pissed off if NSs or infs had end regen and ran off like SBs, so try and understand the opposing point of view.

End regen was not supposed to allow middies the chance to leg it to safety.

Personally I don't think end regen should be conc-based for middies - make it a chant like palas and bards imo.

 

[Groborthir]

Originally posted by Mavl:
So what prevents them from speccing 34/41 and insta debuffing their own insta lifetap ?

Whats the point of that debuff there anyway ?

Well, with 34 darkness you get the 30% body resist debuff. But you don't get the 50%.

With 41 supp you get the second last lifedrain. But you miss out on the healer pets you get at 42 supp.

So by doing this you amputate about 40% of the BD's healing power because:

1) your healer pets will be grey con; 1 shot-material and they will heal for less than a green con would.

2) Insert some dmg calculations here that I can't be arsed to do. But fact of the matter is that the 2nd best lifedrain delves at 80 dmg (as opposed to the last, which delves at 123), and even with your 30% body debuff will you not be able to lifetap for the same amount of damage a 47+ supp BD would with his 15% body debuff and best lifedrain. Add to this the increased numbers of your lifedrain (which you rely on) getting resisted because it's a lvl37 spell.

Originally posted by venerable:
I'm sure I have been body debuffed by Eatsinfils before he proceeded to LT me.

Seems like a big fuck up to give BDs body debuff, especially on an insta. At least make it castable, better still change it to cold like it was intended.

Let the kiddies have their moment of glory...we can all have a good chuckle when they are brought back into line.

Seems pretty dumb that one class requires such a fuss to kill. Only chance a tank has I believe is take down healer pets first, preferably with BD stunned (forget the gimp commander pet). Shame no "strategy" is needed to kill a wizzie or a runie.

Still, good news to look forward too - BDs get a pet nerf I believe in next patch (limiting the levels they can have on pets), so no more 2 green healer pets.

Be nice to see pets interrupted too.

Oh my, where to begin ...

You bet I debuffed you. I always debuff.

And to explain why and at the same time comment your relatively naïve comment about giving BD's a body debuff being a fuck up, I encourage you to take a look at resists in this game.

My lifedrain is capped at 390 with Mastery of Magery 2. In RvR most people have capped resists and run around with resist buffs. This means my 390 will suffer a severe penalty, and without the debuff I regularly hit for less than 180 dmg. With the debuff I can nudge this figure just a hunch above 200. And against BAoD I might as well sit down and wait instead of wasting my power.

Mind you, we are speccing to get a spec debuff that works for our specced DD. Unlike chanters who can spec debuff their baseline DD. And there's a difference of 35% resist being debuffed, mind you.

Your suggestion of changing it to cold resist debuff is as stupid as you seem to believe it to be that it's body debuff. Placing a cold debuff in the same line as the baseline cold DD ... clever. This would spawn quite some amazing dark runemaster/dark BD duos, I tell you that. And the BD will be able to nuke at a constant cap damage. So what will it be: 500+ dmg every 2.5 seconds (and less) or ~200 every 4?

And don't give me this crap about BD's being able to "double nuke" and what-not. We can't double nuke at the pace the darkness DD is cast, so it will only happen with every second DD, and by doing this you have a tremendous power consumption. It will take a standard BD almost to completely an entire power bar to kill a heavy tank with IP.

And if you're playing against a good wizard or a good runemaster, I promise you that you need to use your brains just a hunch. (Don't take this b***s***, runies! He's calling you weaklings!

And what pet nerf? We got our pet nerfed already. No, on the contrary! Next patch we get some loving, along with the other mid casters! Can't wait to "double nuke" you and all your complaining "AMAGAD! ME AND MY 3FG HOMIES JUST GAT WTFPWNED BY THIS LVL5 BD AS HE KILLED ALL GUARDS IN SAUVAGE CASTLE AND BROKE THRU!" buddies with the new and improved lvl50 baseline darkness DD and the up and coming flood of darkcarver FOTM runemasters!

Just for the record: I'm not whining and saying the BD is underpowered. I'm saying that the BD has plenty of issues that needs looked at, and if people would stop these hilarious and untrue accusations that BD's do this and that, they would probably see these issues. Read the TL reports, read the BD forums on ign.com and so on.

The BD is strong, solo, but in group he isn't much more than a lesser dmg capable caster with increased interrupting abilities.

I'll happily post some logs from Emain runs and show you how not "omfg the BD lifetapped me for 8000 dmg in 2 seconds" the BD is. Wait untill you try to hurt someone badly with a delve 123 dmg spell against 45%+ body resist.

And one last thing:

Originally posted by -Nxs-
Ohh and in line with the thread, hell yes BD's need a nerf big time, they are overpowered and they know it, havent seen anyone kill a BD one on one yet, or two on one.

Well, you obviously have your head so up your arse that you can't see anything but the shit that poors out of your mouth. I play a BD (you clearly do not), and I've been soloed several times; and it's not because I'm crap at my class. Without trying to brag I would say I play a pretty decent BD.

So in the words of the great God of Bonedancers, Borgdar: Cry more, n00bs!

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by Ardrias_Mid
What about people that dont play, but still farm?

they can suck monkey arse too if they want...Dont let me hold you back...

 

[mordia]

Nurpf boneys plzzs I just saw one solo a alb rr puuhplz1!1!1

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by old.Atrox
moron, wasnt whinein

geez you dumbfuck still dont know what whine are ?

Uhh dumbfuck...I once saw a whine and it looked alot like you...maybe your just a tad bit uglier..Now skadiddle of you sad littel turd..btw what games you playing now ..stick in mud...nose-picking...plzz tell

 

[Chole]

Just 1 question

Does any BD player out there have the RA MoC?
just would seem funny when they have insta life tap

 

[Chole]

Theen again to use your DD's in combat MoC would be handy

Gah Nerf my lack of thought

 

[Mavl]

Originally posted by Groborthir

Mind you, we are speccing to get a spec debuff that works for our specced DD. Unlike chanters who can spec debuff their baseline DD. And there's a difference of 35% resist being debuffed, mind you.

Tell me pls, how comes that you(BD) have the so needed insta debuff to debuff you own damage and other casters do not? You have some special "status" or smthn? You know, other casters suffer from the same issues too, and i dont think that any other casters have any damage dealing instas in the first place, i'm not even talking about other instas to debuff those instas.

These sweet "thingies" lead to serious inequalities among caster classes which even further unbalances the game, sadly.


[edited] P.S. I always thought that resist debuffs were created to make casters cooperate, and not for leet free self damage increase.

 

[Groborthir]

Originally posted by Chole
Just 1 question

Does any BD player out there have the RA MoC?
just would seem funny when they have insta life tap

Well, I'm definately getting MoC (yeah, at RR7L3 ... sigh). I can just imagine the many situations where I now give up because we're being attacked by a group with many tanks, I get interrupted all the time and my only way of dealing damage is a lifetap that doesn't even do that much damage on a buffed up heavy tank, but with MoC will be able to at least sink one of them, thanks to the baseline darkness DD.

In MoC we trust! And this goes for BD's too!

 

[Groborthir]

Originally posted by Mavl
Tell me pls, how comes that you have the so needed insta debuff to debuff you own damage and other casters do not? You have some special "status" or smthn? You know, other casters suffer from the same issues too.

Well, my special "status" is that instas are a defining part in the suppression BD playing style. Heh.

But seriously, I don't think the debuff should be castable, and if it should be, I sure as hell want it on the same terms as chanters, etc. 50% debuff. Then I'll gladly see it become castable.

I just don't hope that the debuff will interrupt like the castable ones will be doing in the coming patch. That's a bit over the top, though.

 

[kherny]

/em ponders

/em considers what to post.....

Originally posted by venerable


Still, good news to look forward too - BDs get a pet nerf I believe in next patch (limiting the levels they can have on pets), so no more 2 green healer pets.

/em chuckles

Hmmmmm

/em considers another sarcastic exaggerated BD story to counter the lies and whines and generalised insults ....

Nah, I think Eatsinfils just about covered it ...

Move along, nothing to see here, there will be another along soon no doubt...

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Damon, you're so angry It's bad for your heart and liver.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Originally posted by Groborthir
Well, my special "status" is that instas are a defining part in the suppression BD playing style. Heh.

But seriously, I don't think the debuff should be castable, and if it should be, I sure as hell want it on the same terms as chanters, etc. 50% debuff. Then I'll gladly see it become castable.

I just don't hope that the debuff will interrupt like the castable ones will be doing in the coming patch. That's a bit over the top, though.

I think all casters in the game should get some form of debuff but not 50% that's a bit over the top maybe 30% or so.But one thing that takes the feking piss is chanter stun,then debuffed and nuked 600s with capped resists+aom 2..... on an alb caster,just about takes the fucking piss when your own realm can't do anything like that unless you have another caster to debuff for you.

Bonedancers do need their lifetap to be fixed because that's whats making them seem very strong,i mean 4 of us killed a bd's pets in sauv but yet it was still tanking and being healed.

Theres a few things wrong with every class in the game but it's so hard to balance the game because peoples opinions will always be in favour of or against something that's been adjusted to the class in the future.

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by Ardrias_Mid
Damon, you're so angry It's bad for your heart and liver.

Bahhh clearly you dont know me.. I have no heart ( I faintly remember having one..but some girl I'm trying my best to forget took care of that ).. and I ate my liver last year at the wild beach party..well what can I say.. we ran out of alcohol..and there seem'd to be alot of the toxic stuff stored up there..so well I had a go

 

[Mavl]

Originally posted by Damon Doombring
Bahhh clearly you dont know me.. I have no heart ( I faintly remember having one..but some girl I'm trying my best to forget took care of that ).. and I ate my liver last year at the wild beach party..well what can I say.. we ran out of alcohol..and there seem'd to be alot of the toxic stuff stored up there..so well I had a go

you'd make a nice candidate for a bd pet

 

[Groborthir]

Damon is my BD pet, FYI.

 

[Damon_D]

Nahhh I hate to get told what to do. I'll help allmost any peopel with anything if they ask me nicely..but tell me to do this or that.. and you will get absolutely no where at all....certain situations excluded ofcourse..some situations just call for someone being in charge..but the person better be good at it and be able to motivate me...or I'm off faster than a necro can use a wall bug....
Basicly I think a pack of cornflakes would make a better pet than me....

 

[venerable]

Originally posted by Groborthir
Well, with 34 darkness you get the 30% body resist debuff. But you don't get the 50%.

With 41 supp you get the second last lifedrain. But you miss out on the healer pets you get at 42 supp.

So by doing this you amputate about 40% of the BD's healing power because:

1) your healer pets will be grey con; 1 shot-material and they will heal for less than a green con would.

2) Insert some dmg calculations here that I can't be arsed to do. But fact of the matter is that the 2nd best lifedrain delves at 80 dmg (as opposed to the last, which delves at 123), and even with your 30% body debuff will you not be able to lifetap for the same amount of damage a 47+ supp BD would with his 15% body debuff and best lifedrain. Add to this the increased numbers of your lifedrain (which you rely on) getting resisted because it's a lvl37 spell.

So why spec this way? You wanna beef up your darkness base DD? You say yourself RvR is too fast paced for double nukes so why go for the gimp spec? Enlighten us.

Originally posted by Groborthir
Oh my, where to begin ...

You bet I debuffed you. I always debuff.

And to explain why and at the same time comment your relatively naïve comment about giving BD's a body debuff being a fuck up, I encourage you to take a look at resists in this game.

Actually, with 16 months game experience in all three realms I shudder to think how you describe a lot of players if you think I'm "naive". Why don't you think about things before resorting to personal remarks.

I suggested cold for 2 reasons:

1). It helps a baseline spell rather than a spec lifetap (I hate debuffs as it it but prefer debuffing base spells than spec);

2). It encourages people to spec darkness instead of the cookie cutter suppression spec to improve the cold DD.

Make it castable and reduce the top end from 50% to something lower and it looks better, as BDs must then choose the defensive suppression spec or more offensive darkness spec - meaning nukes at expense of healers.

Originally posted by Groborthir

My lifedrain is capped at 390 with Mastery of Magery 2. In RvR most people have capped resists and run around with resist buffs. This means my 390 will suffer a severe penalty, and without the debuff I regularly hit for less than 180 dmg. With the debuff I can nudge this figure just a hunch above 200. And against BAoD I might as well sit down and wait instead of wasting my power.

Well most people run around with 26% body resist, and albs usually have 8% body resist added from clerics, sometimes 16%. With the power relics too, plus your debuff, I can tell you that you hit for much more than 180-200. Remember that you receive 80% (needs confirmation here) back, so you damage for 200 say (using your numbers) and recieve 160 - a swing of 360 hp for a 4 second cast. In practice the swing is higher, plus add in commander pet fighting and "double-nukes" if you are skilled enough.

Originally posted by Groborthir
Your suggestion of changing it to cold resist debuff is as stupid as you seem to believe it to be that it's body debuff. Placing a cold debuff in the same line as the baseline cold DD ... clever. This would spawn quite some amazing dark runemaster/dark BD duos, I tell you that. And the BD will be able to nuke at a constant cap damage. So what will it be: 500+ dmg every 2.5 seconds (and less) or ~200 every 4?

Don't get personal...I had my reasons. Polite disagreement is fair enough, but if you want to take the gloves off...

This sentence IS stupid: "Your suggestion of changing it to cold resist debuff is as stupid as you seem to believe it to be that it's body debuff". It's inconsistent (and if you want to pick at the intelligence of my remarks I could get picky about your grammar ) and makes a fool of you. You give an example yourself of body debuffs in your damage calculations, so you seem to think it's body. I said myself I believe it's body (see next paragraph for RvR example). So what is stupid about me believing it's body? I say it is for crying out loud.

So you say I want a cold debuff but that is as stupid as me thinking it's a body debuff? My request for cold implies I do not believe it's cold, and I said I think it's body. So "if" it's not body as I say then what is it? Cos it sure as hell said "you feel more vulnerable to body magic" when I fought you on the sauvage road...I remember at the time because I thought "WTF BDs can debuff their own LTs!"

You also assume that I would have the level of debuffs that chanters etc get now. I never said that. In my opinion a modest cold debuff (like runemasters raven cloud/hugins claw) would fit OK in darkness line. Do not make the "stupid" assumption that I advocate a 50% cold debuff in spec darkness line.

Originally posted by Groborthir
And don't give me this crap about BD's being able to "double nuke" and what-not. We can't double nuke at the pace the darkness DD is cast, so it will only happen with every second DD, and by doing this you have a tremendous power consumption. It will take a standard BD almost to completely an entire power bar to kill a heavy tank with IP.

So why say later that you want MoC? Insta LT doesnt need MoC, so this implies you are going to double nuke. Inconsistency (stupidity?) again - you say you can't double nuke to back up your arguments, but plan to get MoC to double nuke. Hmm...

Please do post logs of albs/hibs that solo you. I dare you As I stressed earlier - most albs have 34% body resist typically in a group, 26% solo...not 45% for sure.

Funniest thing about BDs like yourself and Nonnier - you brag about you "owning" classes 1v1, but as soon as the nerf cries come out you make up bogus arguments about huge body resists and invent stories of poor overall performance. Well they don't say these things about armsmen, mentalists, wizards, thanes etc, so there has to be something in it.

Make healer pets interruptable, make debuff castable (like all other damage debuffs), reduce LT range to 500 and beef up BA and darkness lines and I'll be happy. I'd also like to see BDs remain stationary to cast LT, but I bet that would go down well After all, why should any casting class be able to do caster damage on the move?

Finally - hope you won't mind when BDs get some attention if we all tell the BDs to "Cry more noobs". Perhaps if you didn't call people stupid for having a different opinion to you or suggesting things you don't understand, or if you didn't act "leet" with all this cry more shite, ppl might have more sympathy for BDs instead of thinking that they are the private, safe haven for shite players that do not have the skill for bigger challenges.

 

[venerable]

<nerf>

 

[Damon_D]

WOW cool you just made a quote of the post you just made ..can you plzz show me how to do that ????...Its sooo freaking usefull

 

[venerable]

Originally posted by Groborthir
According to the delve text on the debuff, Catacombs are right. But in reality it is a body resist debuff.

Originally posted by Groborthir
Your suggestion of changing it to cold resist debuff is as stupid as you seem to believe it to be that it's body debuff.

So I'm stupid for believing it's a body debuff? Does that make you stupid too? You say it's body too

Catacombs and delve don't help, but seeing "you feel more vulnerable to body magic" in game makes me believe it's body. Is that too hard for you to grasp?

 

[Damon_D]

Could you plzz quote your last post too ???

 

[venerable]

Originally posted by Damon Doombring
Could you plzz quote your last post too ???

ZzZzZzZ

You must lead a fun life to make a gag out of a mistaken double post.

Go get laid

 

[Glacier]

Originally posted by Damon Doombring
Could you plzz quote your last post too ???

postfarming imo :O

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by venerable
ZzZzZzZ

You must lead a fun life to make a gag out of a mistaken double post.

Go get laid

Nahh atm I'm not realy feeling well..headache and such.. So I'll save the getting laid for later..to be honest I thinks its much more fun when you feeling well..Me not feeling well also stops me from going out and getting pissed tonight..something all Danes should do Sankt Hans night...Ergo I have to much time on my hands atm/feeling borred and cheated out of loads of beer's..and well making fun of you dont make my head hurt more..Ergo good for me

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by Glacier
postfarming imo :O

nope.... Read above post as a guide to why I'm xtra active here atm... BTW If you look at when I registrated and how many post's I have compared to other peopel's post count.. I dont think you can call me a post farmer realy...