Bombs in London

[Himse]

Kinda sucks to be very very honest, i don't know why they choose to do things like this, their religion is basically the thing they all blame it on, and their god tells them to go and kill inocent people just because their community has an opinion that needs to be heard.

 

[Sycho]

I was refeering to the fact that people, you know human beings with loved ones and lives and that are being blown to bits all the time in Iraq because we went in there and stirred the Hornets nest and no-one gives a sh1t.

It happens over here and because our lives are more 'important' than theirs it's suddenly a 'barbaric act of mindless violence against innocent human beings', which it is, just please have the same feelings for the people of Iraq, share their shock and anger when it happens to them and then maybe we can all start to get along.

What would of happened if we left them alone? more people die in iraq to saddam? oh wait you said people didn't care...

If the USA and the UK ignored the problems over there imagine what else could of happened, it's not easy deciding what to do at times but people saying saddam didn't have nuclear weapons are completely wrong, he could kill this world four times over with the stuff he did have.

When will people learn the difference between people dying in iraq is that the majority of those deaths were ACCIDENTAL whilst these attacks are DELIBERATE.Never the less i do not like any people who die in tradigical situations that aren't supposed to happen but still do in this unpredictable world and will never end sadly.

Anyway leave this out of this thread please, some people like myself are worried if we have lost anyone we knew in this terroist attack.

 

[Chronictank]

Britain will stand tall to these bastards that did this

We stood up and defended Europe during 2 World Wars so I doubt Britain will hide away and do nothing

no doubt
but i hope they dont go picking fights like the yanks

 

[Dakkath]

i didnt say what they did was right or justificed in any way, it was stupid and didnt help their cause whatsoever. But they should be brought to justice not tortured.

I doubt anyone here can dispute the fact that we want justice done, the question is, what is justice?

Is locking someone away in a jail cell for 20 years true and fair punishment for taking away the lives of all those people? For depriving their family and friends of their company? For the young children who will cry themselves to sleep for the 'mommy' or 'daddy' that have been stolen away from them?

I know I've been advocating some pretty harsh, severe punishments that would also rightly be considered barbaric. The thing is, the punishment should be much more about deterring others from following the same path.


Extended jail time or swift execution do not deter many of the perpitrators of such attrocities. Back to the typical Al-Qaeda terrorist type again...

We can let them age in a jail cell, away from the rest of the world and pay to feed and clothe these monsters where they can feel smug and just about what they've done on some holy war...

We can execute them and make them a martar to the cause, much like they would be if they carried out the kind of suicide attack you see in Iraq evey day...

We can go further and strip their dignity and everything they are before ending their existance in as painful and undignified way as possible but then we risk becomming like the beast we're trying to fight...

No answer is the right one, humanity as a whole cannot ever be truely happy with any of those approaches but which one will truely deter more would be attackers?

You may hate the idea, hell I hate and fear some of the ideas that I suggest but ask yourself, truthfully...

Which do you think would be the greater deterrent?

 

[Dakkath]

Some people like myself are worried if we have lost anyone we knew in this terroist attack.

Awful postion for many, many people to be in. The waiting just gets more and more painful. I remember the waiting to hear about family friends who got caught up in the Tsunami, I NEVER want to have to go through that kind of wait again.

I truely hope that none of you are affected by loss through this horrible act of a few twisted people

 

[Chronictank]

i would rather keep my self respect than stoop to the level of the scum that would do something like this.


3:104. Let there be a community of you who invite to what is good, advocate righteousness, and forbid evil. These are the winners.

 

[Outlander]

blah

 

[Libertine]

We went looking ofr non-existant weapons of mass destruction
Sadaam cooperated weapon inspectors found nothing, but we went to war anyway.
yrs on we still have no weapons, Sadaam is being tried for war crimes which under the Geneva convention is illegal to do as a leader cant be held accountable for his/her actions during war time and troops die everyday.
We held a election where people who dont even live in the country can vote

Shock horror the war is now on our doorsteps..
go figure

I was 5 mins from being in the mess of it, but doesnt mean im gona start hating people because of it. They are stupid and misguided, but no less than Bush and his pet Blair

You clueless retard, fuck off and spread your sunday sport politics elsewhere.

The shit you have posted above is fucking embarrasing. Piss off to France or Germany and whine about Bush and Blair from there, im sure they will love your 50p political views.

Wanker.

We will stand tall as always against the terroists.

@ Dakkath i agree 100% with the things you say, how is jail of fast execution a deterrant for people willing to blow themselves up because of their crazy beliefs....

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

You clueless retard, fuck off and spread your sunday sport politics elsewhere.

The shit you have posted above is fucking embarrasing. Piss off to France or Germany and whine about Bush and Blair from there, im sure they will love your 50p political views.

Wanker.

We will stand tall as always against the terroists.

True... he couldn't have been further from the truth, but is it really neccesary to point him on that this way?

 

[Bugz]

Terrible tradegy that was only heightened by a severe lack of Policemen patrolling London. I think over a thousand of metropolitan were due in Edinburgh several crippling our inner defences.

I think it's fair to say, as much as i'd hate to say, that our enemies aren't as stupid as we take them for. No daut they have planned this according to the G8 Summit meeting, why not Live8 etc.? Because an attack was slightly feared then will maximun security but London, facing a lack of the services it so desperately needed, is an easy attack for any party/organisation.

It's not a case of nuking/bombing the country in which the assilians are hiding but a case of getting London back to normal asap and to show that we won't be pushed about to terrorism.

I hope none of you have suffered losses and if you have, you've earnt my dearest sympathies.

 

[Libertine]

True... he couldn't have been further from the truth, but is it really neccesary to point him on that this way?

Yes it is, because when things like this happen, we should stand together as Brits, not go out preaching crap that the sunday sport would be embarrased to publish like he did.

 

[Gazon]

The main reason Al-Qaeda extremists are terrorising the US and it's allies is because they don't want US (and Israeli) presence or influence in "their" Middle East.

The US has backed Israel to defend and win against it's Arab neighbours since their independence and their first war in 1948. Arab extemists hate Israel and their US allies.

Since the 1st Gulf war in 1991 the US has a large military force in Saudi Arabia, a country with very important Muslim holy places (Mecca), govererned by a king. Al-Qaeda Extremists want the king and the US out.
So, amongst a whole series of other attacks, they hit NY on 9-11.

Now, after the 2nd Gulf war, the US and it's allies are now also in Iraq. And it looks like the US will be in the region for quite a while, possibly forever. Fine, Al-Qaeda wanted the hated Saddam out but this new and extended US presence in Iraq (more holy places) is a kick in the nuts to the extremists.
So the "reasons" for the Al-Qaeda terror have been reinforced.

I'm not condoning Al-Qaeda actions in any way. The terrible violence and suffering makes me very sad.
I just wanted to point out that Al-Qaeda and other extremists have real "reasons" other then the "being pure evil and hating other human beings".
And they are fighting the only war they are able to fight not having a conventional army available: the terrible and misguided war against anything that's precious to US and US allies they can terrorise or kill.

You have to KNOW the reasons of the people that threathen you to be able to do something about it. Just concluding they are "evil" will lead to wrong or inadequate decisions. See the current spiral of violence that's going on in the world.

 

[Marc]

What would of happened if we left them alone? more people die in iraq to saddam? oh wait you said people didn't care...

If the USA and the UK ignored the problems over there imagine what else could of happened, it's not easy deciding what to do at times but people saying saddam didn't have nuclear weapons are completely wrong, he could kill this world four times over with the stuff he did have.

When will people learn the difference between people dying in iraq is that the majority of those deaths were ACCIDENTAL whilst these attacks are DELIBERATE.Never the less i do not like any people who die in tradigical situations that aren't supposed to happen but still do in this unpredictable world and will never end sadly.

Anyway leave this out of this thread please, some people like myself are worried if we have lost anyone we knew in this terroist attack.

Dude, didnt you know? Saddam didnt kill any innocent people. Honestly, he wasnt a threat to world peace. He was nice as pie and the whole gulf war was purely about oil. Its true, the students and do gooders will tell you. I mean the media just lie about everything, students and do gooders know the truth.

 

[Litmus]

cant belive it realy..

next step is tracking and deporting the 500,000 illegals in the uk

 

[Marc]

cant belive it realy..

next step is tracking and deporting the 500,000 illegals in the uk

Guy at work summed it up today. At passport control last week, some 19 year kid asked him and his missus to show him their passports. They just held them up and the kid didnt even look at them and just waved them through. Thats how easy it is to get into our great county.

 

[Libertine]

Mine and 5 friends passports weren't checked when we came back from amsterdam, they didn't even ask, they just waved us through without looking at us.

It was shocking.

 

[Dakkath]

i would rather keep my self respect than stoop to the level of the scum that would do something like this.

3:104. Let there be a community of you who invite to what is good, advocate righteousness, and forbid evil. These are the winners.

I'd suggest keeping religious texts out of this debate as it's religion that appears to be the driving force behind such attrocities...

I'll start by saying that I in no way hate any religion in any way...
Every man is entitled to his own beliefs and entitled to defend himself approprately... I'll never shout another person down, insult their beliefs. I will however, present a counter argument that accurately reflects my own point of view (and I'm fairly passionate about this one) and let others make up their own minds...

I'm sure we can all agree that the actions taking by such organisations, be it Al-Qaede, Hamas, the IRA are ALL wrong. When someone steps over the line so to speak and commits such acts of hate and violence as we've witnessed today I fell sick and I look for ways to stop them...

The problem with quoting the bible is, it can be quoted to support so many arguments about things considered abhorrent by todays standards as well as peace and friendship.

For fun I'll return a few choice quotes from the bible myself (while trying not to get the thread closed")...

"When you go to war against your enemies and you see a beautiful woman and find her desirable, you may take her. If she ceases to please you send her away." Deut. 21:10 (So it's ok to rape women as long as you are at war with their people?)

"If a man rapes a girl in the city, you must stone him to death, and the woman as well." Deut. 22:24 (So now we must put to death rape victims too?)

Ok, I know Deuteronomy was a rather hateful book of the bible, lets try another...

Proverbs 23:14
"Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell"

Genesis 9:6
“Whoever sheds the blood of a human, By a human shall that person’s blood be shed;For in his own image God made humankind”

I could go on and on quoting passages justifying parents killing their children, killing homosexuals, forbidding abortion, killing those who work on the Sabbath, approving of slavery, animal sacrifices, calls for genocide...

So its ideology vs ideology...

Yours' - Turn the other cheek, peace at all costs...
Theirs - Kill everyone we can and inspire fear...

Appeasement didn't work against the Nazis before the start of WWII, why would things be different now?

 

[CstasY]

Fucking terrorists.

 

[Darksword]

I cant believe this has happened, but i can see why, i mean its perfectly timed - after the general elections, g8 summit so most security is there, and the general population felt safe etc.

I totally disagree with any form of terrorism etc as i suspect most here do.

But i would just like to make a point - anyone blaming religion (and im just assuming people are, i havent had time to read through this thread tho will in a bit) should shut up really. This has been said to be al-qaeda terrorists or a group connected to them, its fundamental fenatics that have done this, not the majority of muslims, but the very small minority, please dont attack the whole religion. infact dont blame the religion at all, i mean every religion has those who have done things unacceptable and unforgivable (or atleast most part, i cant think of anything that budhists have done or Rasta's etc )

 

[Bori]

This is horrible, my best friend is in London, and I'm not sure if she's ok or not. But hopefully she is.
My condolences go out to everyone that has had any family or friend involved in this act of extreme violence.
I'm schocked and just can't understand, what's the point in killing all these people? It will just make the US and Great Britain more angry, So it doesn't at all help their so called "cause".

Regards

 

[Ezteq]

Gah was so horrible to hear this, 911 was awful and as bad as i felt about it and as much as i feel for other people in other countires affected by this is is terrifying when it happens in your own country, one of my main fears now is riots against anyone of a muslim (or even muslim looking) persuation, people are frightened and when they get scared they get angry.

This sort of thing should be impossible to pull off but sadly its uncontrollable unless one lives in a police state, you can see it here in this thread people are getting very angry very quickly.

making seperate thread.

 

[Dakkath]

But i would just like to make a point - anyone blaming religion (and im just assuming people are, i havent had time to read through this thread tho will in a bit) should shut up really. This has been said to be al-qaeda terrorists or a group connected to them, its fundamental fenatics that have done this, not the majority of muslims, but the very small minority, please dont attack the whole religion

It's a very small minority indeed who choose to misinterpret their religion in such a way as to use it as justification to harm others...

It goes without saying that the vast majority would never do such a thing and will condemn the actions of the few...

No religion is perfect, all can be twisted if someone is determined enough as I hope one of my previous posts demonstrated...

This should be a thread of discussion, NOT of hatred and I hope I've constructed my posts over this very emotive subject in that way.

 

[Lawnmower]

Oh we got the Olympics....shit give it back to France quick, this has caused the hitting of the fan by the brown stuff.

Poor people who have died and been maimed while travelling to work on frekin public transport, another nail in the coffin for that dirty, tiring, soul ,destroying way to travel.

Thousands die in Iraq to suicide bombs...boring!!!!

Bombs in London.....holy crap it's important now!!!

shut the fuck up you retard, no one give a shit bout freaking arabs going round blowing the crap out of each other. but when its the capital of YOUR own country and you come out with crap like that... well....

 

[Ctuchik]

Will the people actually get caught for this? I mean, where's Osama now, hiding in a cave somewhere. Don't get me wrong the ***** need finding, drawn and quatred whilest they're alive, bastards.

Sympathy to those who have lost friends and family in this attack.

according to FBI or CIA or whatever their international police are called, they know exactly where Osama bin Laden are, down to the very house acually. problem is they cant touch him where he is because the country where hes hiding is isnt allies to USA so they cant demand his arrest...

i cant understand why that is a problem tho, why dont USA do what they always have done in cases like this? send in a Navy Seals team and get him anyway. they done it before so why not in this case?


and yes, killing civilian targets is pretty much denying urself any rights when/if they get caught and should have their skin peeled off one centimeter at a time.


Prayers to those that died/got family members or friends killed or got hurt in todays attack..

 

[Ballard]

Mine and 5 friends passports weren't checked when we came back from amsterdam, they didn't even ask, they just waved us through without looking at us.

It was shocking.

You forget you were coming from an EU country. At your FIRST entry into the EU the main security check is made. After that you generally have free rein.

 

[Job]

shut the fuck up you retard, no one give a shit bout freaking arabs going round blowing the crap out of each other. but when its the capital of YOUR own country and you come out with crap like that... well....

Er... no need to prove my point so eloquently.

 

[Job]

Yes it is, because when things like this happen, we should stand together as Brits, not go out preaching crap that the sunday sport would be embarrased to publish like he did.

Oh the freakin irony, when tis YOU who sound like the Sunday Sport and his views are very 'Independant'

So the truth is?

We did find weapons of mass destruction?
Saddam didn't allow weapon inspectors in?
A year on we have all the weapons we found?
Leaders can be held accountable under the Geneva convention ?
No one outside of Iraq was able to vote?

And the knock on effect isn't on our doorstep?

 

[Mirt]

Mine and 5 friends passports weren't checked when we came back from amsterdam, they didn't even ask, they just waved us through without looking at us.

Did you notice the cameras that are everywhere in the airports?

They have facial recognition software, and record everyone that goes into or out of the country. Still they really should check the passports.

 

[Kyra]

Britain will stand tall to these bastards that did this

We stood up and defended Europe during 2 World Wars so I doubt Britain will hide away and do nothing

Of course you will do something about it, after all, you aren't the French

(ooh hope I didn't step on any toes there, was just trying to bring some humor into this dark situation)

 

[Vilje]

deleted it, as this belongs somewhere else.

Sorry