Bombs in London

[Ballard]

Sadaam is being tried for war crimes which under the Geneva convention is illegal to do as a leader cant be held accountable for his/her actions during war time and troops die everyday.

Guys lets keep this discussion out of this thread.. have some respect please.
And no you are quite wrong about the geneva convention, leaders can be held accountable for their actions in war time under the geneva convention... murder of civilans during war time is chargable under the geneva convention. If you want to discuss this further please start another thread.

 

[Gahn]

Denmark / italy is next, says the Al Quaeda, according to danish news.

Ye we got threatening as Italy since start of all the crap linked to Afghanistan and Iraq invasions. I feel near all of English Friends, this terrible and horrible thing hit all of us Europeans.

 

[Outlander]

45 dead and 1000 + injured

really?

 

[Bahumat]

the people who tried to blow up canary wharf were shot dead.....i imagine if this is true the police would not mention this till later

 

[Gahn]

Ofc if they caught some1 surely it wouldn't be public before they shaked em well to find clues to discover all organization web and international links, supporters etc.

 

[Adoctor]

really?

yeah...confirmed on the news

 

[Ballard]

yeah...confirmed on the news

From the picture of the buses etc one can only assume the count of lives lost is possibly going to climb more

 

[Bonelamencer]

Sad

 

[Marc]

We went looking ofr non-existant weapons of mass destruction
Sadaam cooperated weapon inspectors found nothing, but we went to war anyway.
yrs on we still have no weapons, Sadaam is being tried for war crimes which under the Geneva convention is illegal to do as a leader cant be held accountable for his/her actions during war time and troops die everyday.
We held a election where people who dont even live in the country can vote

Shock horror the war is now on our doorsteps..
go figure

I was 5 mins from being in the mess of it, but doesnt mean im gona start hating people because of it. They are stupid and misguided, but no less than Bush and his pet Blair

FUCKING LOL

Get a clue

 

[Chrystina]

if i came in 5 mins earlier i would have been at Edgware when it went off

my train got pulled one station from Liverpool street ... sleeping long and coming late to work on a regular basis has obviously some extra benefits ... like staying alive ...

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

yeah...confirmed on the news

BBC still talks about 2 deaths confirmed, and CNN talks about up to 40
Both up to about 160 injured...

 

[elisera]

BBC have confirmed at least 33 fatalities now

 

[Mojo]

BBC still talks about 2 deaths confirmed, and CNN talks about up to 40
Both up to about 160 injured...

bbc saying 33 atm
sky saying 45

 

[eggy]

33 confirmed deaths by the BBC so far.

Condolences to all those who have lost someone today; makes me sick thinking about the cruel bastards that did this...simply not fair.

RIP

 

[Dakkath]

LONG response to someof Chronictanks claims

Ok, In the nicest possible way Chronic, I'm afraid you're talking ****

We went looking ofr non-existant weapons of mass destruction Sadaam cooperated weapon inspectors found nothing, but we went to war anyway. yrs on we still have no weapons

Al-Qaeda is claiming responsibility for the attack (according to some random Islamic website)

Al-Qaeda is not Iraqi (despite what GW would try to tell you) and does not have links to Iraq... Indeed, Bin Laden went on record calling Saddam 'evil, a demon or devil-worshipper' and calling for his overthrow just after the 1990 invasion of Kuwait and the first Gulf War.

Al-Qaeda has been implicated\involved in MANY attacks since 1992

To name some of the more well known ones :

December 1992 - Attacking US forces & killing 2 Austrian civilians in Yemen
Feburary 1993 -The World Trade Centre attack
October 1993 - Shooting down 2 US helicopters in Somalia
November 1995 - Bombing a US military factory in Riyaha
1996 - Khobah Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia (Dharan)
August 1998 - Bombing of US embasies in both Nairobi & Tanzania
Janurary 2003 - Failed attempt to kill bot US and Israeli nationals in Jordan
January 2003 - Attempted bombing of LA International Airport
October 2000 - USS Cole bombing
December 2000 - The attempted bombing of a Cathedral in Strasbourg, France
September 2001 - World Trade Centre attack

In addition, they're either suspected to be behind or have claimed responsibility for attacks in\against

Tunisia, Indonesia, Morocco, Singapore, Bali, Turkey, Egypt and East Africa to name but a few...

They've stated that:

"to kill Americans and their allies, civilians and military, is an individual duty of every Muslim who is able" an also to kill followers of the Jewish faith"

But yes I'm sure you're right, they would never have attacked us if we hadn't help to achieve something their leadership has been calling for more than a decade. I'm sure we don't fall into one of the categories Al-Qaeda declared war on all those years ago...

I'm sure they would let an opportunity pass to hit a country where the focus of the world media would be due to the G8 summit. After all a little publicity isn't something terrorists want, right?

After all they're a harmless little peace keeping organisation in reality who organise tea parties for little old ladies, rescue stranded whales from the beaches, campaign for the end of world poverty and free love. Perhaps we should leave them alone rather than trying to wipe them from the face of the Earth. Right?

Sadaam is being tried for war crimes which under the Geneva convention is illegal to do as a leader cant be held accountable for his/her actions during war time and troops die everyday.

Having read each of the 143 articles of the Geneva convention I cannot find reference to such a thing... Please tell me to which article you refer (or subsequent annex) so I can re-read it if I have missed something.

There are certain parts of his upcomming trial that are questionable and do potentially contravene the convention, including Article 84 -

"In no circumstances whatever shall a prisoner of war be tried by a court of any kind which does not offer the essential guarantees of independence and impartiality as generally recognized, and, in particular, the procedure of which does not afford the accused the rights and means of defence provided for in Article 105." (I myself have grave doubts the Iraqi one will be)

We held a election where people who dont even live in the country can vote

Not exactly uncommon now is it? A lot of countries allow citizens who live abroad to vote...

I was 5 mins from being in the mess of it, but doesnt mean im gona start hating people because of it. They are stupid and misguided, but no less than Bush and his pet Blair

This was the most sensible thing you'd put in your entire post until you'd put the puppet thing in...I was going to applaud the lack of hatred, it just clouds judgement and has no room in any debate / sensible decision making process.

The I realised you'd just transferred your hatred to the leaders of the US & GB.

I don't agree with the justification that we used to go to war with Iraq (even though Iraq is irrelevant in this discussion) as the evidence was highly flawed but I do agree with the decision taken to do so as it was the right thing to do in my opinion...

Now if they'd get off their asses and sort out Mugabe I'd be a lot happier with the world...

 

[Thadius]

Hmmm

Do you see any white suicide bombers bombing mecca?

I think not :/

Shows what big men they are.

They want to bomb targets? Grow some balls and bomb military targets

 

[Marc]

Hmmm

Do you see any white suicide bombers bombing mecca?

I think not :/

Shows what big men they are.

They want to bomb targets? Grow some balls and bomb military targets

Spot on that. Not that im saying they should bomb people, they shouldnt but they always pick the soft target, and before random student #1432, after reading the latest article on www.geektheories.com/themediaalwayslie.html pipes up about innocent people killed in iraq, innocent people were not the target.

 

[Dukat]

Spot on that. Not that im saying they should bomb people, they shouldnt but they always pick the soft target, and before random student #1432, after reading the latest article on www.geektheories.com/themediaalwayslie.html pipes up about innocent people killed in iraq, innocent people were not the target.

aye, not to mention the fact that a fair few of the innocents killed by "coalition bombs missing thier target" where actually killed by iraqi troops either moving the innocents into the firing line as human shields, or killing them themselves and making it look like american bombs missed.

 

[M® Zîllâ]

One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half.

Sir Winston Churchill

They pissed of the wrong people this time fear and unease is temporary it will soon be replaced by hatred and a iron will, instead of helping there cause they have made it worse.

 

[Adoctor]

45 dead and 1000 + injured

seems like they've dropped the figure to 33 dead....

 

[Tasslehoff]

It's not like the US distinguish between civilian and military targets. They have killed over 10x more civilians than organised resistance/military. But of course, none of that is reported.

Then I guess it´s ok... ?

 

[Mey]

We still got the treason laws right? Cut there heads off and hang them of London tower imo, Bastards!

 

[Bracken]

Al Qaeda were no friends of Iraq under Saddam (which was one of the reasons why going to war there wasn't justified). So when people try and justify (or even just "explain") today's terrorist attacks by linking it to what happened in Iraq they are simply ignoring the reality. Today was nothing other than the murder of innocent people. No justifications, no excuses, no "causes" - other than the twisted hatred that these people are filled with for other human beings.

 

[Adoctor]

We still got the treason laws right? Cut there heads off and hang them of London tower imo, Bastards!

afaik there is still capital punishment for treason and piracy (high sea version, not copy right version).

if they catch them, hang em 100%.

 

[Job]

I was refeering to the fact that people, you know human beings with loved ones and lives and that are being blown to bits all the time in Iraq because we went in there and stirred the Hornets nest and no-one gives a sh1t.

It happens over here and because our lives are more 'important' than theirs it's suddenly a 'barbaric act of mindless violence against innocent human beings', which it is, just please have the same feelings for the people of Iraq, share their shock and anger when it happens to them and then maybe we can all start to get along.

 

[Mey]

Job Fuck off, you think i wanted our country to go to Iraq, do you think i don't care about the Thousands of people dieing?

 

[Kyra]

OMG this is horrible!

My heart goes out to all of my English friends, never mind whether or not you were directly affected. I know you guys are not new to being attacked, but still it must be a shock.

*says a silent prayer for all those killed and hurt*

I know you guys will find out who was responsible, and will punish them. I don't think you will see any hangings though, its been classified as "cruel and unusual punishment", at least over here in the states. That would be a sight though, but I think the best you can hope for is either they spend the rest of their lives in jail or lethal injection.

Best of luck guys.

*makes mental note to avoid downtown portland for the next week*

 

[cHodAX]

30 dead and rising, not good, not good at all

 

[Chronictank]

i didnt say what they did was right or justificed in any way, it was stupid and didnt help their cause whatsoever. But they should be brought to justice not tortured.

 

[Thadius]

Britain will stand tall to these bastards that did this

We stood up and defended Europe during 2 World Wars so I doubt Britain will hide away and do nothing