Bolt Vs Bolt

[Lorgeil]

is there realy any big driftens between Void Eldritch Bolt's, Fire Wizard Bolt's and Runecraving Runemaster Bolt's ? if we look thoue the Relic's and rr's wouldn't they do the same dmg as each others ? or is it just me that think weirdly? or will a Void Eld be able to reach the same dmg as a fire Wizards?

 

[Aeris]

cant say alot about voidies as ive never played one nor been hit by one, they dont exist

but my runies bolts hit for about the same as wizard bolts, mostly harder. but albs are nearly always bolting against heat resists, whereas albs/hibs lack energy

 

[Xrystofer]

hib bolt=cold tho

 

[Lorgeil]

well im gona try Void on my Eld just for the fun as it's a alt char and 1 i only play when im bored so i want to know if i could end up do like 1k dmg as Fire wiz and Rune bolts

 

[Influenza]

Nearly all albs have spec AF aswell.

 

[Maeloch]

Yeah it's all down to damage type vs resists, bot resists and AF buff. Voidies I think have the worst deal. Bolt fixes in 1.84 mean u can caster /assist with bolts without getting misses tho?

Might be more voidies about then I guess, they not too bad in themselves, just shitty vs either mana or light spec.

 

[Nate]

think i cap on my rr8 rm at 1200ish(nocrit)when casters forget to do af buffs, you never get near that number normally though, more like 500..if you see that wizzies have 3 bolts(1partially specced for does less dmg) 330delve heat, rm is 317 energy and eld is 309 cold you wont do a lot of dmg with the bolts imo, most albs will cap cold, most mids will too..

 

[[HB]Jpeg]

think i cap on my rr8 rm at 1200ish(nocrit)when casters forget to do af buffs, you never get near that number normally though, more like 500..if you see that wizzies have 3 bolts(1partially specced for does less dmg) 330delve heat, rm is 317 energy and eld is 309 cold you wont do a lot of dmg with the bolts imo, most albs will cap cold, most mids will too..

Matter wizzys bolts will hurt now bearing inmind when they NS u they debuff matter also.. so lvl50 matter spoec with red ns/debuff would hurt id imagine . my matter wiz never reached 50 on glast so didnt try it in rvr

 

[Vulcan]

so i want to know if i could end up do like 1k dmg as Fire wiz and Rune bolts

Speak to Zatos hes the highest RR Void Eld on the server afaik..

 

[Dracus]

Speak to Zatos hes the highest RR Void Eld on the server afaik..

And prolly the only that n0b. Respecced mine at rr5 to try it out..respecced back 2 days later

ow and hey V! ya ol fart

/Dracus

 

[Konah]

you wont do a lot of dmg with the bolts imo, most albs will cap cold

yep, but many will have no friar in the grp so... its worth a try

 

[Vodkafairy]

I'm void on my eld now (with acui4, mom4, wp5) and no, you usually don't do the crazy damage you sometimes get hit for by wizards. And as for the damagetype making a difference - not really, for bolts only 50% of the resists are taken into calculation. Comparing someone with 0% resist to 26% (minus 10% resistpierce) there's just 8% damage difference, and an additional 12% for red resistbuffs.

Differences with firewizard bolts:

- 'better' dmgtype for bolts, heat has 10% penalty vs most armortypes and cold does not
- lower delve
- no third bolt (tho its low dmg, ~150-200)
- they have relic bonus atm

Main difference is that AF makes a huge huge difference for bolt dmg and albs get specaf from bb, where most hibs/mids don't bother using AFcharges.

Anyways, dmg I do atm: ~430-450 people without resist with the baseline void nuke, and 330 if they have red coldresist. Specbolt hits for ~550-600 on casters with specaf and 650-700 without, basebolt hits for 450-500. It caps at 1112 and yeah I have gotten some seriously nice hits + crits.

What's really nice about voidspec is the ability to energy/body debuff for people (oh the fun we have with energy debuff + staj pbaeing ), frontload damage (two bolts + dd hitting same time kills casters before they get healed usually, specaf or not), aenuke for interrupt + pretty good damage (and i think this is incredibly underrated).

Big downsides compared to light is the lack of ae s/c debuff, ae d/q debuff, proper singletarget nuke (void one is fast, but low delve), red nearsight (i have green one with 49v/22l) and aedisease.

It's fun to play though - definitely not better overall then light but it's very fun for a change, and if played right it can be very effective.

 

[Boni]

Totaly agree with vodkas post, esp the bit about using your debuffs, take the time to work out what they all do and who benefits from what debuffs etc

I havent played a bolt mage in a while, but my experience was that the 'modified by AF' crap in the damage calculation and various other stuff meant you where better of with a spec DD against anything that wears decent armour.

Time I specced back to void and tried out the 'fixes' maybe...

 

[Vodkafairy]

we don't have the bolt 'fixes' yet, but the only changes are the speed goes down to 2.0 sec (like we needed even faster spells...) and less problems with 'target is in combat and your bolt misses', but i havn't found that to be a serious issue tbh

 

[Bistrup666]

U won't get the same nice bolt's as wiz.

simply cause their bolt delve nearly 10% higher than yours.

Then alb run with spec AF and then U will hit casters for around 500 seldom more with spec bolt. (hmmm VF my spec bolt caps at 1140 and I nearly never hit albs for more than 450-500 with mom 4).

Next patch will be nice for bolters tho but U will still suffer like rm cause U don't get a spec nuke like wiz (or rather best spec nuke in game ).

Think it will be nice for U as U only have 1 realm thats pretty much immune to 2 bolting, while I as rm have 2 realms spec AF and bainshee absorb QQ

Anyways try it out U might find it to be much fun.

 

[Enli]

plus u get gtae !!!, nah just void is nice for camping a bridge or tower
and any good player can pwn in rvr using it

and dont forget, i'm the megendary voidie of old, together with good old Boni
also zorc is happy with his voidie at rr7(i think atm) esp combined with stormlord it's fun camping bridges

 

[Frozodo]

i always wanted a voldie i just ran out of slows 10 lvl 50s on main acc and other acc got 5 lvl 50s ;\ i would take it just for the light effects

 

[Andrilyn]

Void Eld aint only Bolts like people make it out to be.
Try running a group with a Void eld and 2 Bainshee's assisting on 50% Body debuffed targets, And most Albs and Mids run with only Yellow Body resists.
46 Void 28 Light ftw as you will also still have a 45% NS which is enough to lock casters down and you have 2 nice bolts for targets that run away or for opening damage/interrupt.

Atleast that's what we are trying to run, Void eldy and 2 Bainshee's and 1 Animist drops anything really fast with the hardest nukes in the game on 50% debuffed targets.

 

[Kaun_IA]

i toad my first ever char just now... void eld after 2,5 years

i relly hope it will do about the same dmg... ofc i wount hit as hard as the high rr wizzis and RMs but i hope i can even come close

 

[Tilda]

NO ran a void eld + bainsheees grp on glastonbury.
When we played well and got it working, I was laughing so hard fighting groups i nearly wet myself.
It is hysterical seeing a tank or two charging towards your group, your eld debuffing and bainshees killing before healers even have a chance to use instas. It gives me an adrenaline kick like the days of old when I/my grp came out of a really good fight. Its an awesome grp to run even if its just for fun. (bridge camping is also pretty awesome with debuff for caoe )

 

[Kaun_IA]

NO ran a void eld + bainsheees grp on glastonbury.
When we played well and got it working, I was laughing so hard fighting groups i nearly wet myself.
It is hysterical seeing a tank or two charging towards your group, your eld debuffing and bainshees killing before healers even have a chance to use instas. It gives me an adrenaline kick like the days of old when I/my grp came out of a really good fight. Its an awesome grp to run even if its just for fun. (bridge camping is also pretty awesome with debuff for caoe )

that debuff thingy is one of the reasons why i revived my eldy

 

[auroria]

was void aswell for a while, really fun grping with bainshee, but i really missed the ns, debuffs, and dmg, just got so pissed when duo with bard alone that i respecced back to light

 

[Ceiastae]

Void eld= Body debuff+ Bainshee direct damage = Body dmg = Good duo

 

[liloe]

Void eld= Body debuff+ Bainshee direct damage = Body dmg = Good duo

or energy debuff for an animist, then lajftap etc. =)

 

[Wild]

tbh im not convinced how much resists effect bolt damage..

any1 know what % is effected by af AND what is by magic resists?

this is what ive hit for recently on my wizz and 1159 is my cap .. he has only mom2 and was gonna respec him for mom5 when i dinged rr9 but now im on hib for a while so dunno what cap might be at say rr10 with mom5 augA 4+ im guessing about 1300 or so Mrdee might know .. and max ive been hit for by a runie was about 1320 from a rr4 runie (im guessing was a crit on it also)


when u get a nice crit on bolt it can kinda hurt

 

[Lorgeil]

Okay, i have respece'd my eld just for the fun to Void now now i just need the template, yeah i know this is rong secition but i post it anyways couse i want to know if this would be a bad temp for a void eld?

Missing:
it miss 26 Con to the 75Conmax[with out Con cap] (26 con = 72.8hits point if my calkulater is right)
miss 3 Dex to the 100 i have made it on
and miss 20hits
and 1% Spell range
26%Heat Resist(look over Staj's template and could see a point in not get that much heat resisten - also Fire Wizard's an Heretic's there do fire dmg against hibs)

Then got:
11 Void(wich was realy hard for me to get in the template)
33 % Power Pool
53 AF(extra armor for other bolts/melee dmg)
Bracer got a nice 20% replenish power 10/10 charges

Config Report

Stats

Str: 7 Int: 108 Hits: 180
Con: 46 Pie: 0 Power: 0
Dex: 97 Cha: 0
Qui: 24 Emp: 0

Resists

Body: 24 Energy: 0 Crush: 26
Cold: 25 Matter: 6 Thrust: 29 (3)
Heat: 0 Spirit: 15 (5) Slash: 29 (2)

Skills

9 Light

11 Void

9 Mana

Focus

50 Light

50 Void

50 Mana

Cap Increases

25 Dexterity

40 Hits

10 Power

25 Intelligence

Other Bonuses

9 Spell Range

33 % Power Pool

53 AF

11 Stat Buff Effectiveness

8 Magic Damage

6 Duration of Spells

11 Casting Speed

10 % Spell Piercing

Piece Listing

Chest
Name: Guard of Valor Caster
Level: 51 Quality: 94
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 40 Hits
Effect 2: 18 Intelligence
Effect 3: 15 Dexterity
Effect 4: 5 Intelligence Cap Increase
Effect 5: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 6: 4 Spell Range
Effect 7: 4 Magic Damage
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 32.00

Arms
Name: Mistbound Sleeves(Eld Epic)
Level: 51 Quality: 100
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Dexterity
Effect 2: 6 % Power Pool
Effect 3: 3 All Magic Skills
Effect 4: 7 Slash
Effect 5: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 69.00

Head
Imbue Points: 36.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 58%
Gem 1: 7 Body - 99 Imperfect Dusty Shielding
Gem 2: 5 Cold - 99 Flawed Icy Shielding
Gem 3: 11 Slash - 99 Faceted Watery Shielding
Gem 4: 7 Thrust - 99 Imperfect Airy Shielding
Utility: 60.00

Legs
Name: Mistbound Pants(Eld Epic)
Level: 51 Quality: 100
AF: Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Constitution
Effect 2: 6 % Power Pool
Effect 3: 7 Thrust
Effect 4: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 5: 5 Intelligence Cap Increase
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 24.00

Hands
Imbue Points: 33.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 98%
Gem 1: 11 Cold - 99 Faceted Icy Shielding
Gem 2: 9 Slash - 99 Polished Watery Shielding
Gem 3: 2 Thrust - 99 Uncut Airy Shielding
Gem 4: 5 Crush - 99 Flawed Fiery Shielding
Utility: 54.00

Feet
Imbue Points: 36.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 58%
Gem 1: 11 Crush - 99 Faceted Fiery Shielding
Gem 2: 7 Body - 99 Imperfect Dusty Shielding
Gem 3: 9 Cold - 99 Polished Icy Shielding
Gem 4: 2 Void - 99 Uncut Icy Arcane Spell Stone
Utility: 64.00

Right Hand
Name: Draiocht Eldritch Staff
Level: 51 Quality: 94
DPS: Bonus:
Effect 1: 3 All Magic Skills
Effect 2: 6 Dexterity
Effect 3: 6 % Power Pool
Effect 4: 5 Acuity Cap Increase
Effect 5: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 6: 4 Magic Damage
Effect 7: 4 Casting Speed
Effect 8: 50 All Spell Lines
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 50.00

Left Hand
Imbue Points: 0.0 of 10 (94 Qual) Overcharge: None
Gem 1: Empty -
Gem 2: Empty -
Gem 3: Empty -
Gem 4: Empty -
Utility: 0.00

Two Handed
Imbue Points: 0.0 of 10 (94 Qual) Overcharge: None
Gem 1: Empty -
Gem 2: Empty -
Gem 3: Empty -
Gem 4: Empty -
Utility: 0.00

Ranged
Imbue Points: 0.0 of 10 (94 Qual) Overcharge: None
Gem 1: Empty -
Gem 2: Empty -
Gem 3: Empty -
Gem 4: Empty -
Utility: 0.00

Neck
Name: Paidrean Necklace
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 10 Crush
Effect 2: 10 Thrust
Effect 3: 10 Body
Effect 4: 10 Spirit
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 80.00

Cloak
Name: Cloudsong
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 5 % Power Pool
Effect 2: 12 Acuity
Effect 3: 5 Acuity Cap Increase
Effect 4: 5 Casting Speed
Effect 5: 5 Stat Buff Effectiveness
Effect 6: 8 AF
Effect 7: 5 Power Cap Increase
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 8.00

Jewel
Name: Atlantis Tablet
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Acuity
Effect 2: 40 Hits
Effect 3: 3 All Magic Skills
Effect 4: 10 AF
Effect 5: 5 % Spell Piercing
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 65.00

Belt
Name: Jacina's Sash
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 5 % Power Pool
Effect 2: 6 Stat Buff Effectiveness
Effect 3: 6 Duration of Spells
Effect 4: 5 Power Cap Increase
Effect 5: 5 Spell Range
Effect 6: 5 % Spell Piercing
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 0.00

Right Ring
Name: Director's Ring of Anarchy
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 15 Dexterity
Effect 2: 15 Acuity
Effect 3: 6 Matter
Effect 4: 5 Acuity Cap Increase
Effect 5: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 6: 10 AF
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 32.00

Left Ring
Name: Ring of the Brute
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 7 Strength
Effect 2: 7 Constitution
Effect 3: 40 Hits
Effect 4: 25 AF
Effect 5: 40 Hits Cap Increase
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 19.33

Right Wrist
Name: Zilistiphle's Bracer
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 24 Intelligence
Effect 2: 24 Dexterity
Effect 3: 24 Constitution
Effect 4: 24 Quickness
Effect 5: Empty
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 64.00

Left Wrist
Name: Brancer of the Deep
Level: 51 Quality:
Bonus:
Effect 1: 5 % Power Pool
Effect 2: 60 Hits
Effect 3: 24 Acuity
Effect 4: 22 Dexterity
Effect 5: 2 Casting Speed
Effect 6: Empty
Effect 7: Empty
Effect 8: Empty
Effect 9: Empty
Effect 10: Empty
Utility: 45.67

 

[Arelas]

I have never see a matter wizard before hehe

 

[Samaroon|Terracotta]

I have never see a matter wizard before hehe

Just wait, i'm tempted to spec mine earth when i get his arti's leveled!

 

[Arelas]

But he are still not matter, but earth and his damage are matter damage

 

[Kaun_IA]

@ lorgeil

next patch will change the af thing... so they wount be affected by it enymore :/

id drop heat only if i was fighting strictly FG vs FG.... if not.. keep it up.

bit low on hits,