BNP Win Seat in West Yorkshire

[Durzel]

Originally posted by Scouse
Until recently I lived in Bradford for 10 years.

10 years of being told to get out of "their country" when you walk in the wrong part of town.

10 years of my girlfriend getting taunted with "you white fucking bitch, you white fucking bitch..." if she walked down the wrong street. (aside from 3 attempted assaults by asian youths)

10 years of riots - and I don't care if the BNP turn up in a pub and start spouting their crap - it does NOT justify 1500 asian lads turning up (from ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, not just local) to throw firebombs/burn cars (and trap innocent people in buildings before setting light to them).

I've only been to Bradford twice in my life, and after 10 minutes of being there I got that impression immediately.

I live a sheltered life where I live, I haven't seen one Asian, etc in my local town ever I don't think. My car is parked out in the open at night, and its never been touched. Coincedence?

They should erect a wall around Bradford, evacuate everyone who actually contributes to the community/state (of any race), and bomb the place to the ground, and start afresh.

 

[Dimebag]

Bradford scared the shit out of me when I went there. I was told "look at the people along the way" when we entered it. We saw one white family in the whole of the city driving the other way from us, possibly fleeing.

The whole PC thing has gone to far, and personally I think its time to wake up and see what is really going on in this country.
I wont quote what this is for fear of being branded a "racist" but it seems that the racist term only swings one way.

A racist these days is any white person daring to stand up for their rights in their own fucking country. Its a sad state of affairs.

Tbh i'd chop down all the trees around bradford so no one could get out, then leave them to kill each other for food. Infesting our country like a plague of smelly yibbering anti-socialites.

Talking of crime, the only person who has stolen anything of me was a paki kid with his mate. Didnt catch him but luckily the idiot tried to take the goods back for a refund... ON MY CREDIT CARD.
The same kid was seen running through the park with an armful of dvds the next week, followed closely by 2 security gaurds who took out their deepest frustrations on them. Praise those lads. Probably get done for a "hate crime" or such and the asians will most likely get £30,000 in compensation for being harrased whilst at work.

On a more serious note however...

I dont believe in Nazism, I dont hate anyone on the basis of their colour. But what I will not tolerate is foriegners treating the country as their own and demanding special rights and privs over the rest of the natives. What I mean by that is people who come here looking for a better quality of life but will not do anything to work for it themselves. People who want it handed to them on a plate over and above the natives of england who are going out there to work and support these type of people.

Dont get me wrong, i'm not saying its impossible for white people to be lazy too, its wrong to brand a type of person. But how many white immigrants are there on the dole? and also how many countries have these foriegners crossed to claim assylum here in the first place. We should take care of our own before letting our borders down to foreigners who will only make the situation worse.

All this talk of natives I hear you cry, what about the people who were born in england! Well, thats a good point, but what if their parents were illegal layabouts that gave nothing at all back to the society of this country? They shouldnt get any sort of recognisation of citizenship in that case, I believe.

I have no problem at all with anyone who wants to come to this country to work for their keep and contribute to society. Is that, or is that not fair enough? That means mingling with natives, learning the language, obeying the law of the land and working for a living. This is our society, british/english, and im sure its fairly fair to say that if anyone of us went to thier country of origin, started demanding money, housing and the changing of laws to suit us, we'd get laughed at and thrown in jail. Hell, why dont we all pack up and go and live in pakistan or india and insist they setup a "White" television network to suit us, we could all scream racist at them if they dont right?

The more foreigners that are accepted in the bigger the problem gets. The government isnt helping itself at all. Is it any wonder people start disliking characteristics or another race when they are consistantly passed over by their own elected government and coucils in favour of these foreigners? Also what situations are these people possibly fleeing from in the first place, very commonly I find its "I-Dont-Like-Where-I-Live-And-England-Is-A-Soft-Touch-So-We'll-All-Leech-Of-Them" Syndrome. Poor poor bastards that they are.



Good luck to the BNP, I'm not saying I agree with their methods, but they have the right idea in principal.

Dime

 

[.cage]

they leech off this country cos its an easy target. it should be like australia - nothing to contribute? fuck off!

when you hear of asylum seekers leeching off the dole, being provided with free cars etc. when i'm a student, hoping to actively contribute in the near future, i get fuck all - it is CUNTING IRRITATING

no doubt we'll all meet our deaths at the hands of these fuckers anyway.

 

[Dimebag]

here here.

When i get my degree and a little bit of experience I'm off.

Im not working my balls off for a pissy wage that will be used to support people who dont give a fuck about me or my country, only what they can get out of it.

Australia sounds like a very attractive place right now.

Dime

 

[stu]

Compound X is the solution

 

[wolfeeh]

hmm

sod it, just gonna wade in with my opinion here, without reading the entire thread because this is a subject i feel very passionately about....

"most asylum seekers being in south(east?) england" is a very common misconception... y'all know i live in wales... you know, that backwards hillbilly country to the left of england... well if you'd been here lately you'd know that almost every town in wales has a (relatively) large influx of asylum seekers. the reason for this being that council do-gooders want to "help" blah blah...

the reason most people complain about asylum seekers is because of they resources they consume... it takes money to feed, clothe and home asylum seekers... money WE pay in taxes... which are meant to fund things like hospitals, road maintenance, education etc... not giving johnny foreigner a ticket to ride....

all around us we see hospitals going to the dogs... the roads are a mess, potholes everywhere, blah blah... schools are underfunded etc...

i FIRMLY believe that if there was the money there people wouldn't give that much of a shit about asylum seekers... but there isn't... is there? i'm not racist... not even the common welsh-english racism... i hate all you pricks equally (hugs )

if it was a massive influx of english refugees fleeing the new labour dictatorship i'd still be pissed off *grin*

anyway who needs new blood? there's plenty of young fucking blood here... the way you say it we're all lazy and want a free ride... when the vast majority of young people i know just want to do a fair days work for a fair days wage... nothing wrong with that is there? we don't need asylum seekers, we need the government to focus more on the skills shortages and manpower shortages in our own population... not fill these gaps with refugees or whatever...

of course refugees have a place here... everyone should have the right to an existence free from persecution blah blah... but what about places like afghanistan? the war's over, they can bugger off home... do they go? fuck no. they'd rather enjoy the easy life here.

what really pisses me off though is how many other EU countries these people come through to actually get to the UK... they don't stop at the first safe haven, because they'd have a rather tougher existence there... they keep on going until they hit the hot spot... the UK...

thought provoking non?

slash rant.

 

[Embattle]

Originally posted by Dimebag
here here.

When i get my degree and a little bit of experience I'm off.

Im not working my balls off for a pissy wage that will be used to support people who dont give a fuck about me or my country, only what they can get out of it.

Australia sounds like a very attractive place right now.

Dime

Even more annoying when you consider students are being told they will have to pay more for their education

 

[Mellow-]

I'm going to put myself out here and ask (because I have no clue) could someone explain what: BNP, Left Wing and Right Wing mean.

 

[(Shovel)]

BNP is the British National Party.

Left Wing: Refers to the now outdated classification of political parties. Old Labour was socialist and therefore Left wing. The "extreme left" is communism.

Right Wing. Opposite of left wing and where to Conservative party resides. The Extreme is Facism.

The BNP are blanketed as being "Extremely right wing" due to their policies on immigration.

 

[(Shovel)]

It's worth noting that each party has a "left" and a "right".
But obviously that means different things. The "Right" of the Conservative party are often verging on extreme. The "Left" are merely a little bit liberal.

The "Left" of New Labour is basically the older socialist members. The "Right" are the "New" Labourites represented by Tony Blair.

The Lib Dems are traditionally in the middle but - and this shows the outdated nature of the classification - some of their policies are more socialist than the Labour equivalent and their middle ground is being crowded by an increasingly liberal Labour party.

 

[.cage]

too many pesky lefties and whiney jewbags, that's the problem. as simple as that, buddy

 

[xane]

Originally posted by (Shovel)
Left Wing: Refers to the now outdated classification of political parties. Old Labour was socialist and therefore Left wing. The "extreme left" is communism.

Right Wing. Opposite of left wing and where to Conservative party resides. The Extreme is Facism.

So how do you equate Hitler being a "National Socialist" then ?

Left and right wing are a different spectrum to "facism", remember the political test URL someone posted a few months back, the range is multi-dimensional, "facism" is less to do with left/right politics and more to do with libertarian/authoritarian views.

You _can_ have facist socialists, most of the union movement in the 60's in this country was bordering on racist, trying to keep jobs for people etc.

 

[(Shovel)]

You will note that I also said the classification was outdated.
I merely answered the question.

The idea of having a one dimensional basis for describing any political system at any time in history is stupid and doesn't work. For some reason we do though and so we make the best of what we've got.

YouGov ran a test a while back which gave a two dimensional grid to show political placing as well as some separate statisitcs, but there is no accepted terminology that the entire country is family with so what chance is there of it changing?

 

[hoggsboss]

the BNP seem to have been quite shrewd in targetting areas where there are already concerns over certain issues, combine this with voter apathy and split voting between parties with more than one candidate and you can see why they win certain seats.

 

[Daffeh]

my 2p on the subject...

there would be a hell of a lot less trouble if all the different groups of people not just 'ethnics' integrated together. Maybe asylum seekers would be more welcomed if they were integrated into the community, rather than just left in their own groups. Same as in Bradford and such places with the 'segregation' of Asians, if they made an effort to integrate (likewise the 'whites'), then a hell of a lot of trouble would be avoided.

how to acheive this integration is the problem though.
i guess humans are just naturally racist or something.

 

[(Shovel)]

Humans naturally discriminate aparently, not sure if it's true. I guess that I "try not to", so maybe...

Oh, and that's a nice Utopia you've got there Daff.

 

[Daffeh]

*looks smug whilst sitting in his bubble*

 

[danger]

Originally posted by .cage
i'm a student, hoping to actively contribute in the near future, i get fuck all

NOW, NOW cage that's complete bollocks! You get tuition fee's are likely to get top up fee's and various other methods of theiving your hard earned cash when you graduate!

/ed: Bah didn't see embattle had already pointed that out!

 

[Mellow-]

After reading all that (and agreeing with Dimebag on some parts) all I have to ask is ... how does someone go about cleansing this country of asylum seekers. (legally I mean)

 

[Wij]

Living in Halifax I can tell you that Mixenden is not a nice area. Cars burning in the street type of place. I guess they feel they don't need to import any more people for the dole queue.

Northern Mill towns have never integrated very well. You southerners have far more integrated communities than we have. Personally I know quite a few Asians but I'm more of an exception than a rule.

The strange thing is, compared to 20 years ago, there are virtually no racist white folks about nowadays. The ones that there are are confined to a couple of pubs and the elderly. Yet, the Asians are now far more militant.

 

[ZaPpeh]

Very tricky issue all this, I would hate to imagine myself as a racist, but here goes

Locally there has been some major redevelopment of housing on a rundown estate close to a large shooping centre.

There were 4 high rise blocks of flats with hundreds of families housed in run down conditions, these people wer told in 1998 that they will be rehoused as the blocks are to be pulled down for redevelopment.

2 years on they started building a new estate of 2-3 bedroom houses close by, all very nice with gardens (which these people dreamed of owning) so that they could move all these poeple into and then start destroying the flats.

another 2 years pass and the estate has been finished and filled with asylum seekers that have been granted cizitenship, leaving the families from the highrises now living in bedsits and temp accomodation.

there is one last block to be removed, btu nowhere for the families to go.

The residents are exrememly pissed off about this and therefore are taking it out on the refugees (which is unfair as it is clearly the local council/governments fault).

these residents are not only white families, but black/asian/greek etc



What really needs to be done is that these people in charge of things should realise they are playing with peoples lives and shouldnt just look at the short term benefits of huge payouts from the EC for taking in refugees.

Shit world.

 

[urz]

As with all of such arguments, it strikes me that the answer lies somewhere in the middle.

This country cannot continue to take economic migrants ad infinitum. Persons who come to this country as geniune asylum seekers escaping from persucution and oppression within their own countries. who integrate into society insofar as they abide by the laws and contribute to society on a fair basis are welcome as far as I'm concerned.

The crux of this issue is that we are tarring a whole load of people with the same brush, in that the majority of asylum seekers will do their upmost to fit in and contribute, but within the same group there are those which understandably the British Public has taken umbridge with. I would see those as: -

1. Persons who come here with no intention of working, and just freeloading

2 Persons who will use the UK as a base and avenue for their criminal activities

3 Persons who come to incite hatred against Britain and the West

It strikes me that we have enough of No's 1 and 2 of our own to need anymore, the number of person s in category 3 is very small.

If our systems were tightened to weed out such persons, allowing only genuine asylum seekers in this would not be anything like the issue that it has become.

As for the references to Bradford and other such communities with racial problems, it seems to me another example of communities with unemployment, crime and depravation blaming each other instead of trying to solve the problem. You have the same in Northern Ireland, Southern France, Germany, the list goes on and on.

Put simply, if you hate me I will hate you back.

 

[throdgrain]

Same story everywhere Zappeh. Its not a question of colour, its a question of abuse of the system.
Where I live there is a large population of Asian people, as I have said. However in addition to that there is about a 15 % population of Portuguese people. Dont as k me why , there just is.
Anyway, these guys are the ones responsible for a lot of the trouble round and abouts. Often to be found standing outside the local spar sporting thier 1970's haircuts drinking cans of lager and chatting up the (very) young school girls.
On the outside of the public toilet wall recently someone had painted "go home portugeuse" in big letters on the wall.
95% chance it was painted by an asian person.
You see, its not about race or colour so much as who takes the piss and who doesnt.

 

[Ash!]

The problem lies with the whole asylum system and how it is administered. Urz has a point that the answer is in the middle. The against argument ls always "what do they do when they come over here" etc etc etc. I am sure that somebody fleeing religious, sexual, politcal persecution is thinking that I can really contribute to the British Society.

There are plenty of people in the UK who dont want to work, have no intention of working and are just living off the state becasue the system allows them to sit on there arses contributing nothing at all. How different are they from the Asylum seekers who come here"to steal our jobs and livliehoods" as certain parts of the media like to demonise the refugees with.


From an ethical point of view we should embrace the ones who need our help the most. Thats just my opinion. Who knows, one day we might need there help to. However they should not be treated any different to anybody else. Yes we will offer assylum if you are willing to contribute. LIke the ones who sit on there back sided bleedin the country dry. THey should also be made to do something that contributes to the growth and development of their community

 

[Dimebag]

What strikes me as profound is every single person on this thread has identified the situation as being a "problem", but the fact that the government that we such people elected in does not worries me greatly.

The government is full of people (in every party but mainly I feel labour) who run the country with their own political agenda and not what the actual people of the country want. This is a small point and maybe a dig, but is it any wonder that all the ethnic comunities group together and vote for labour in their utter hoardes because they KNOW the party is on the minorities' side rather than representing the majority of the country.

I remember the scam where labour votes were counted about 3 or more times (up to 10 per person in some cases), they put up a list on the tv of the names involved in the scam, about 75 of them. Every single one aside from one name was foreign, asian/muslim type name. This utterly sickens me.

Another thing that caught my eye was the fox hunting issue. When questioned about the issue in an interview tony blair ummed and arred about it and then his darling wife came onto the scene protesting "but you promised me!!!" Who is he listening to the people or his wife!?

One final problem in the current government is the huge political split within the party over the probable war... but enough about that, thats another debating point.

Everything I've seen about this current government reeks of hypocrisy. Every time someone in the conservative gov did something remotely wrong allergations of "sleaze" were screamed at them and the person involved prompty bowed out, admitted they were busted and resigned. This government has been utterly scandelous, and in my opinion has done far far worse personal things than the last and no one says anything back... its most odd. Im not naming names but what usually happens is someone commits a crime which means they should be in prison like housing fraud or public indecentcies in parks with gay rasterfarians and they just get moved to a different job.

What we need is an alternative party to vote for, not a racist party, not a violent party, but an ENGLISH party FOR the english people and people who want to work and integrate into society.

As this is clearly not going to happen the only other option is to leave.

Dime

 

[(Shovel)]

The problem is the PC brigade. They have a shocking about of clout in Britain. If someone tries to say anything sensible on this issue they are struck down for using the "wrong" terminology.

There needs to be an open debate.

An open debate, which in my opinion should conclude that charity starts at home. We (most of us) open our arms to people of all cultures, heck that's something that makes Britain great, but if we can't employ our own people and find them somewhere to live then I don't see how asylum seekers can be accepted in their place. This is the cause of the resent. Britain is full - certainly at the moment until the backlog of housing problems is resolved.

In the longer term the EU needs a universal asylum policy. Probably involving language lessons so that they don't automatically come to Britain (since English is the more widely spoken language to start with).

It's not that hard, but no one is allowed to say it.

Oh, I just did...

 

[Dimebag]

Yeah totally agree, what seems to happen when a debate like this occurs is the ultra liberals jumping on the case of the realists for using wrong terminology and getting personal which ends up missing the main issue and point totally.

We can all sit here and agree to a point but in the end what is going to change...

In my personal opinion I think a more conservative government would be a better thing, im all for people working hard and making a profit... Its high time people in power woke up to the fact that not everyone IS "equal" in terms of academia and ability and should stop trying to enforce on the country these false pretences that just cause anger and bitterness.

The problem is there is no decent conservative style party to vote for anymore. The image and running of the conservative party these days is a shambles, and for some utterly unknown reason people will continue to vote labour. When you get a 44% turn out in the general election you know you have a problem. The majority of the 44% were probably people who believe utterly in their party and are stubborn to the last, or ethnically diverse groups who want to carry on with their freeloading and know labour will let them do it.

I really want to hang around to see the country explode when this all comes to a head, but, as I said before, I'm moving away the first change I get.

Dime

 

[Wij]

Um, the problem with an EU wide review of Asylum policy is that the other countries will happily ignore the rules made just as they do now. Asylum seekers are supposed to be processed in the first safe country they arrive in. This is very rarely Britain. Our European cousins happily ignore the rules and let them move on towards Britain or, in the case of the French, move them into overcrowded camps near the channel tunnel with only a blind geriatric for security Not hard to work out why they do that.

The problem with EU rules is that we are usually the only country that thinks that signing up to rules means you should enforce them

The answer is not to close our borders. We just need to ensure that asylum applications actually get processed properly and promptly and that people can't disappear in the meantime. Nothing else would be a problem if resources were allocated to it and fuckwits weren't in charge of it. An automatic right to appeal may not be appropriate it all cases, unfair though it may seem, as it's too likely to be abused. That's legal stuff anyway. Won't argue in case Stu starts ranting

Personally I don't have a problem with starting up secure centres to keep asylum seekers in until their claim is processed. If the system worked properly they shouldn't be in there that long and if they are running from tyranny they wouldn't mind.

It will cost money but it must be worth it. For our benefit and theirs.

 

[Mellow-]

Some of you people have moaned in the past about Thatcher being bad, but at least she had the rest of europe under her thumb.

Blaire is a traitor.

 

[Dimebag]

The only people who moan about MT are the people in the lower paid spectrum of jobs or the lazy dropouts that didnt do well enough for themselves and wanted a free ride.

I dont know an awful lot about it but I'd prefer her to Blair anyday.

Dime