Black or Female US President ?

[Zede]

Jesus christ.

wept baby tears

gorba, u need a stinky wet kipper slapped on your face.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Yes, there is a very big flaw in your logic, because the bottom of society, the really poor, votes RIGHT, not LEFT.

EDIT: Oh, and ALL studies have shown that the less advanced a study is (i.e. carpenter education students vs. university degree students, etc) that the lower the education, the more racist and right people vote.

Poor and uneducated is thusly = voting right = voting republic.

Its really not that simple at all. The "intellectual left" is a quite new thing. If you know anything about history you know that it was the poor working class that supported the left. These days its not like that since the educated people have started voting for the left more but many working class people still support the left because they are the ones who benefit from that. Saying that only educated people vote for left is just untrue. Also, the trend that working class people vote for the right is strictly in rich countries only.

Sharma and Tohtori fuck off if you're not going to give reasons for your stupid comments.

ps. Try to put things in context. I said it as a response to iceforges comment which was of the same nature.

 

[Zede]

Its really not that simple at all. The "intellectual left" is a quite new thing. If you know anything about history you know that it was the poor working class that supported the left. These days its not like that since the educated people have started voting for the left more but many working class people still support the left because they are the ones who benefit from that. Saying that only educated people vote for left is just untrue. Also, the trend that working class people vote for the right is strictly in rich countries only.

Sharma and Tohtori fuck off if you're not going to give reasons for your stupid comments.

handbags at dawn !

i also agree with the stupid comments, hmm like a lot more here prolly, they all wrong and your right I take it ?

oh and mr genius :

poor & white : republican maybe
poor & black : democrat probably

tis simple

 

[Himse]

I hope Obama wins, Hillary i think will just be corrupt, to an extreme.

She just look like she just wants in for the money, not for the well being of America.

Just the look on her face every time she wins is pure evil.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You f*ck off. If you can't see anything wrong in saying "all racists are poor and uneducated".

That's what you said basically and it's one of the dumbest things i've heard.

 

[Gorbachioo]

handbags at dawn !

i also agree with the stupid comments, hmm like a lot more here prolly, they all wrong and your right I take it ?

oh and mr genius :

poor & white : republican maybe
poor & black : democrat probably

tis simple

Its just that simple!

Perhaps ideologically the poor whites are more republican (religious, social conservatives etc) but still its the democratic party that fights for the poor. (not doing a very good job but anyway). Im not saying that all poor whites vote for democrats, im saying that some of them do.

And btw, poor blacks most certainly are not always democrats. Many poor blacks are religious and therefore social conservatives so they vote for republicans. Most of the black churches endorsed Mike Huckabee.

 

[Gorbachioo]

You f*ck off. If you can't see anything wrong in saying "all racists are poor and uneducated".

That's what you said basically and it's one of the dumbest things i've heard.

Aha... So you're defending the racists here? Okay then.


Well arent they? When have you met a highly educated racist? They are HARD to come by.

 

[Lamp]

Well arent they? When have you met a highly educated racist?

David Irving is one

BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Holocaust denier Irving is jailed
BBC News | UK | 'Racist' historian faces £150,000 bill

 

[old.Tohtori]

Aha... So you're defending the racists here? Okay then.


Well arent they? When have you met a highly educated racist? They are HARD to come by.

Yeah, i'm really saying racism is cool...really...honestly...f*ck off with that. Next you're gonna probably say that all poor and uneducated are racist aswell.

There are plenty of rich, smart, powerful, all in all every day joes who are racist too.

 

[Himse]

Aha... So you're defending the racists here? Okay then.


Well arent they? When have you met a highly educated racist? They are HARD to come by.

Everything is racist nowadays, so yes, you can have highly educated racists.

 

[Huntingtons]

Its really not that simple at all. The "intellectual left" is a quite new thing. If you know anything about history you know that it was the poor working class that supported the left. These days its not like that since the educated people have started voting for the left more but many working class people still support the left because they are the ones who benefit from that. Saying that only educated people vote for left is just untrue. Also, the trend that working class people vote for the right is strictly in rich countries only.

Sharma and Tohtori fuck off if you're not going to give reasons for your stupid comments.

ps. Try to put things in context. I said it as a response to iceforges comment which was of the same nature.

were you not the one who said it was something ---> something ----> something?
so you're allowed to put up simplified verions but others are not?
so what if its a new trend, by new you mean 70's+, no? it doesnt matter in any case coz we're in the 2008 and even if its new its still happening. so yes. people who are less educated are more likely to fall for propaganda because they are less likely to seek knowledge on the matter.

i dont see how your logic works.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Yeah, i'm really saying racism is cool...really...honestly...f*ck off with that. Next you're gonna probably say that all poor and uneducated are racist aswell.

There are plenty of rich, smart, powerful, all in all every day joes who are racist too.

You stupid fuck.


Incase you still didnt understand this: There are highly educated racists but they are the minority in those groups.

 

[Himse]

I will put it to both of your now, there are different degrees of "racism"

Infact, white people are more racist than black people, so it is said.

When infact, if you go to parts of Jamacia etc, they will shoot you for being white?

Over here, if a white man assaults a coloured man its racial assault, if a black man assaults a white man its just assault.

Society today is totally politically correct, in favour of our coloured population. Despite what any retarded Government official says.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You stupid fuck.

Ok, that's just bloody offensive and insulting

Was there REALLY need for that?

You claimed all racist are poor and uneducated, and that "When have you met a highly educated racist? They are HARD to come by.", which is not true.

There are probably more rich racists then there are poor, why? Because the poor actually have to live with a mixed society.

 

[Gorbachioo]

were you not the one who said it was something ---> something ----> something?
so you're allowed to put up simplified verions but others are not?
so what if its a new trend, by new you mean 70's+, no? it doesnt matter in any case coz we're in the 2008 and even if its new its still happening. so yes. people who are less educated are more likely to fall for propaganda because they are less likely to seek knowledge on the matter.

i dont see how your logic works.

Ofcourse they are allowed to put up simplified versions, i said mine was a response to one, not that he shouldnt have said it. ;o

Propaganda is one of the reasons why less educated people vote for the right but its the left that wants to send their kids to college and its the left that wants to give them healthcare, those things matter too you know.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Ok, that's just bloody offensive and insulting

Was there REALLY need for that?

You claimed all racist are poor and uneducated, and that "When have you met a highly educated racist? They are HARD to come by.", which is not true.

There are probably more rich racists then there are poor, why? Because the poor actually have to live with a mixed society.

You said that the next thing i was going to say is that all poor people are racists. So yes, there was a need for that.

Dont take everything so goddamn literally when its obvious that it isnt meant that way. There are educated racists but they are the minority.

And no, theres more racism in the working class because they are the ones who have to compete for the jobs with the immigrants. (Even though i'll admit that thats a good point but mine is better -.-) The educated people are safe behind their college degrees which the immigrants cant afford to get.

 

[Huntingtons]

find me statistics that show how much of the left winged contra the right winged percentage of voters are uneducated.

and toh. nope, about the poor living mixed, thats hardly true, and even if they do the white has a tendency to be discriminating the ethnic minority to a degree thats racistic

 

[Azurus]

And no, theres more racism in the working class because they are the ones who have to compete for the jobs with the immigrants. (Even though i'll admit that thats a good point but mine is better -.-) The educated people are safe behind their college degrees which the immigrants cant afford to get.

I'd agree with this.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You said that the next thing i was going to say is that all poor people are racists. So yes, there was a need for that.

Dont take everything so goddamn literally when its obvious that it isnt meant that way. There are educated racists but they are the minority.

And no, theres more racism in the working class because they are the ones who have to compete for the jobs with the immigrants. (Even though i'll admit that thats a good point but mine is better -.-) The educated people are safe behind their college degrees which the immigrants cant afford to get.

No there f*cking wasn't. I said "NEXT you'll be", as in, it's not far from saying that. Generalisation and close-minded bull.

I don't take it literally, but i do think you're just changing your "all racist poor" into a "SOME racist are poor" very subtly.

RAsicm doesn't stop at the school gates, nor does it stop at the shores of africa, it's everywhere, and everywhere you go, there will be people who are racist, no matter breed, education, money or skincolor. And no i'm not talking just about white racists...

 

[Gorbachioo]

RAsicm doesn't stop at the school gates, nor does it stop at the shores of africa, it's everywhere, and everywhere you go, there will be people who are racist, no matter breed, education, money or skincolor. And no i'm not talking just about white racists...

Did i ever say something else?

 

[Cylian]

24!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Did i ever say something else?

Well you made it sound as there's very little racism in the educated/wealthy society, which isn't true. There's equal amounts of it in every place.

Just that, you rarely see anything racist going on inside white closed off neighborhoods because..well..

 

[Lamp]

You can be filthy rich and a racist. You can be miserably poor and a racist. On the other hand you can be rich or poor and not have a racist bone in your body.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Well you made it sound as there's very little racism in the educated/wealthy society, which isn't true. There's equal amounts of it in every place.

Just that, you rarely see anything racist going on inside white closed off neighborhoods because..well..

No.... no..... no. Theres not equal amounts of it in every place. You know very well that thats not true. Its the rich people (especially the rich kids) that vote for more immigration because they have never even met a black person in their life. The plummer on the other hand doesnt vote for that because the african guy just might be after his job when he gets here.

I'll say this one more time and then i'll ignore every post about this after it.

Not all working class people are racists. Not all educated people are racists. There are more working class racists than there are educated racists but there are both.

 

[old.Tohtori]

No.... no..... no. Theres not equal amounts of it in every place. You know very well that thats not true. Its the rich people (especially the rich kids) that vote for more immigration because they have never even met a black person in their life. The plummer on the other hand doesnt vote for that because the african guy just might be after his job when he gets here.

That's such a generalisation that it borders insanity, honestly

And i know what i know, not what you claim i know.

 

[Shagrat]

No.... no..... no. Theres not equal amounts of it in every place. You know very well that thats not true. Its the rich people (especially the rich kids) that vote for more immigration because they have never even met a black person in their life. The plummer on the other hand doesnt vote for that because the african guy just might be after his job when he gets here.

I'll say this one more time and then i'll ignore every post about this after it.

Not all working class people are racists. Not all educated people are racists. There are more working class racists than there are educated racists but there are both.

So, now your saying that immigrants can be plumbers, but they cant be educated or have the potential to succeed (as rich people will never meet them).

Your logic seems a tad warped tbh, Gorb.

 

[Iceforge]

Its really not that simple at all. The "intellectual left" is a quite new thing. If you know anything about history you know that it was the poor working class that supported the left. These days its not like that since the educated people have started voting for the left more but many working class people still support the left because they are the ones who benefit from that. Saying that only educated people vote for left is just untrue. Also, the trend that working class people vote for the right is strictly in rich countries only.

Sharma and Tohtori fuck off if you're not going to give reasons for your stupid comments.

ps. Try to put things in context. I said it as a response to iceforges comment which was of the same nature.

Sorry, was we talking about 50 years ago or today?
We was talking about today. What the hell the case was 50 years ago is bloody irrevelant when we are debating about HERE AND NOW!
Bringing up that a long time ago working people was the ones who did this and that makes absolutely no sense when we are talking about the current situation.
And yes, the trend might be right countries only... USA is a rich country, and we are debating about something in USA, so that the situation is different in a piss poor country has absolutely no relevance.

The difference between mine and your comment, however, was the mine was true and you was the excat opposit of the current situation.

And while the studies I refered to (not that I gave links) in my previous reply to you was of Danish origin, I based my previous posts on what is actually happening in USA and has happened there the last few elections and who has voted what during those elections.

Educated middle-class = Primary Democratic voters
Uneducated workers + extremely rich = Primary Republican Voters.

Educated does in this case refer to book-smarts. Having received an education in woodworking does not count for education in this aspect.

And the situation is basicly the same in all European countries as well.

And in the study I read with schools and their students, they had mainly looked at our colleges and all those other things you can do after primary school (Danish school system)

Community College: Mainly Left (Social Demokratiet)
Commercial College: Mainly Middle(Centrum Demokraterne) and Right (Venstre)
EUC (where people learn to work with wood, metal, be cooks, etc): FAR FAR FAR Right (Dansk Folkeparty), basicly racist/nazi party.

not that the majority (50%) was in favour of that party (we do have 7+ parties at times in Denmark) but those was the ones with the most support compared to their national average.

I mean, DF (Dansk Folkeparty, again, the racist party who basicly will only be happy when only whites live in Denmark) got nearly 50% support at EUC compared to their less than 10% general voting support at the last held election.

 

[Gorbachioo]

So, now your saying that immigrants can be plumbers, but they cant be educated or have the potential to succeed (as rich people will never meet them).

Your logic seems a tad warped tbh, Gorb.

Immigrants have a lesser chance of getting a college degree because A) they cant afford it B) If you have lived your life in a village in Afghanistan fitting in to a western society and doing well in it is hard.

 

[fettoken]

Racism = hate and/or fear off something different in their eyes no?

 

[Gorbachioo]

Sorry, was we talking about 50 years ago or today?
We was talking about today. What the hell the case was 50 years ago is bloody irrevelant when we are debating about HERE AND NOW!
Bringing up that a long time ago working people was the ones who did this and that makes absolutely no sense when we are talking about the current situation.
And yes, the trend might be right countries only... USA is a rich country, and we are debating about something in USA, so that the situation is different in a piss poor country has absolutely no relevance.

The difference between mine and your comment, however, was the mine was true and you was the excat opposit of the current situation.

And while the studies I refered to (not that I gave links) in my previous reply to you was of Danish origin, I based my previous posts on what is actually happening in USA and has happened there the last few elections and who has voted what during those elections.

Educated middle-class = Primary Democratic voters
Uneducated workers + extremely rich = Primary Republican Voters.

Educated does in this case refer to book-smarts. Having received an education in woodworking does not count for education in this aspect.

And the situation is basicly the same in all European countries as well.

And in the study I read with schools and their students, they had mainly looked at our colleges and all those other things you can do after primary school (Danish school system)

Community College: Mainly Left (Social Demokratiet)
Commercial College: Mainly Middle(Centrum Demokraterne) and Right (Venstre)
EUC (where people learn to work with wood, metal, be cooks, etc): FAR FAR FAR Right (Dansk Folkeparty), basicly racist/nazi party.

not that the majority (50%) was in favour of that party (we do have 7+ parties at times in Denmark) but those was the ones with the most support compared to their national average.

I mean, DF (Dansk Folkeparty, again, the racist party who basicly will only be happy when only whites live in Denmark) got nearly 50% support at EUC compared to their less than 10% general voting support at the last held election.

Working class people do vote for the right but saying that they never vote left is just untrue. The Left is what fights for the worker and if you have to choose between sending your kids to college/getting healthcare and banning abortion/gay marriage what are you going to pick? Some still vote for the republican i know, but saying that they all do is_just_wrong.


Tohtori: I think im going to stop talking to you now. Debating with you is useless because you refuse to use your own brains. If come up with a reasonable argument/one that hasnt been answered already i'll answer it, but im not going to start repeating things as i have before.