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[TdC]

imo there comes a time when one has to go out and face the audience. protecting everyone from everything all of the time will breed terrible humans. we didn't get to be the extreme badasses we are because we sat around in caves hiding from the mammoth; we got to be the apex creature on this planet because we went outside and fucked shit up. part of becoming a decent human is learning how to deal with the screwed up insanity we tend to do with and to ourselves.

I feel bad for the girl, her surrounding fam and tbh also the people on that website, however if she really did send herself the bad stuff there is much more going on there than just visible at a glance. still, I've been told that on the internets everyone is an awesome badass with a 12" cock. Luckily there are ignore buttons and moderators on some of the better sites to protect people from so much cock-slinging awesome folk. if I had kids I would hope to high heaven that they were listening when I gave them the internet talk, and that they could ask me anything and tell me everything. Ofc I also was a kid once and I found out everything the hard way and I never asked my mum anything. Ah well.

 

[Kryten]

Humans are the problem, and at the same time, Humans are the answer. The medium inbetween is blameless, yet a catalyst, having been created by Humans to solve a problem that probably didn't exist.

Solution: fix Humans.

Not easy, but if we start getting rid of tabloid bollocks and the Daily Mail, it'll be a bloody good start.

 

[DaGaffer]

Am I the only one who had next to no angst during their teens? I feel like I missed out on something.

 

[Raven]

I had a bit but I just grew my hair long and listened to Iron Maiden a lot.

 

[Everz]

They should have just PvP'd on Mordred, sorted the men from the boys.

 

[Everz]

Oh and cyber-bullying makes me laugh, doesn't exist.

 

[ECA]

People saying bad parents etc, she was 15 years old for crying out loud she wasn't a 7 year old kid she was approaching being a young woman, what were the parents to do? lock her in her room with no phone/laptop basically anything that could browse the net that's a lot of gadgets these days in a house.

She should have spoken to her parents about it or at least deleted her account, hanging herself, you gotta have some balls to put the noose round your neck and let go.

Honestly, parents should be monitoring their kids internet history until they are 18.
Yes they're gonna see a lot of porn there, but thats fine. No different from spankmags before interwebs.

They would still see a bunch of stuff at friends houses/whatever of course - my point is a problem can be seen.

 

[megadave]

They should have just PvP'd on Mordred, sorted the men from the boys.

while the boys sat in playing daoc the men went out to find chicks?

 

[Gwadien]

while the boys sat in playing daoc the men went out to find chicks?

Burn.

 

[Lamp]

Fuck reporting them. There needs to be an app where you can send 30,000 volts over the internet straight to these unpleasant scrotes and fry them proper.

 

[Bahumat]

They should have just PvP'd on Mordred, sorted the men from the boys.

/flex

 

[DaGaffer]

Fuck reporting them. There needs to be an app where you can send 30,000 volts over the internet straight to these unpleasant scrotes and fry them proper.

It used to be done differently in this very parish. I remember certain trolls on BW being presented with aerial maps of their houses, their home phone numbers and a stern message that their Dad was about to get a phone call. I had to quietly put a stop to that kind of thing on the forums because we could have got in data protection trouble*, but I was always impressed at how "the community" policed the worst of the arseholes.

(*I turned a blind eye to most of what went on on IRC though, which was probably a mistake).

 

[Mabs]

imo there comes a time when one has to go out and face the audience.

this is why i dont like the school attitude atm which is "medal for taking part", learn what failing is about, dont award people for turning up, its setting them up for dissapointment :/

 

[fettoken]

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Tech/article1298958.ece

Ask.fm is saying she made fake accounts and sent the hatemail to herself.

So she trolled herself to death in an online forum. Wow.

 

[rynnor]

Honestly, parents should be monitoring their kids internet history until they are 18.

I don't think you have thought this through - if they are being bullied on facebook and facebook shows on their history for instance how would you know?

Additionally they sit on skype all day and no doubt that is another prime route which wont give anything telltale.

The key thing to remember is that the kids themselves will do their best to hide it if they are being bullied and short of giving them no access to the internet (which isn't really possible anymore as the school's actually require it) there's not that much can be done.

 

[rynnor]

Am I the only one who had next to no angst during their teens? I feel like I missed out on something.

Maybe you have just forgotten/suppressed it by now

 

[DaGaffer]

Maybe you have just forgotten/suppressed it by now

No, not really. The only negative thing I remember about my teens was being skint all the time. Not much bullying, no troubles with the opposite sex (I realised my friends were all liars and I was at it before most of them), no parental bust-ups (my younger brother was the family go-to guy for that). I definitely made some bad choices about education and work, but nothing "emotional".

 

[TdC]

me either tbh. My dad passed away and that messed me up a bit, but none of the uber-drama stories one tends to read about in the media. I made some poor choices re education, women and usage of substances but other than that I feel pretty good about growing up how I did.

 

[Ctuchik]

Why? You can't turn a real-life bullying classmate off - but you can stick his internet persona on "ignore" very easily.

Ok, and then what do you think will happen? You think the bully will just go "oh well" and go after someone else?

Or would he/she get really pissed off and be even worse?

I don't think you quite understand just how intrusive internet bullying is compared to when we grew up where we only had to go home to get away from it.

Bullies today can do this shit without even revealing who they are. And in that situation what the fuck is the bullied supposed to do? Stay away from the internet and throw away their phone?

You end up not being able to trust anyone because for all you know it's the one you thought was your best friend doing it, yes that does occur.

It's really fucking hard to get away from a bully today and still live a somewhat normal life.

 

[BloodOmen]

Ok, and then what do you think will happen? You think the bully will just go "oh well" and go after someone else?

Or would he/she get really pissed off and be even worse?

I don't think you quite understand just how intrusive internet bullying is compared to when we grew up where we only had to go home to get away from it.

Bullies today can do this shit without even revealing who they are. And in that situation what the fuck is the bullied supposed to do? Stay away from the internet and throw away their phone?

You end up not being able to trust anyone because for all you know it's the one you thought was your best friend doing it, yes that does occur.

It's really fucking hard to get away from a bully today and still live a somewhat normal life.

Sounds to me that Scouse rather just hide from his problems than confront them, doesn't mean other people should follow his lead tho.

 

[DaGaffer]

Ok, and then what do you think will happen? You think the bully will just go "oh well" and go after someone else?

Or would he/she get really pissed off and be even worse?

Well, yes, in most cases (not all, most) if bullies don't get a response, they don't keep up the effort. We all know the best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them; and we all know that its actually quite a hard thing to do, because you want to just tell them go fuck themselves. It doesn't really matter if their bahaviour gets more abusive if you're ignoring them.

I don't think you quite understand just how intrusive internet bullying is compared to when we grew up where we only had to go home to get away from it.

Bullies today can do this shit without even revealing who they are. And in that situation what the fuck is the bullied supposed to do? Stay away from the internet and throw away their phone?

No, but stay away from social media for a while. You'd be amazed how many centuries the human race has survived without it.

You end up not being able to trust anyone because for all you know it's the one you thought was your best friend doing it, yes that does occur.

It's really fucking hard to get away from a bully today and still live a somewhat normal life.

I think the issue here is the definition of "bully". To me a bully is the guy who kicks the shit out of you and steals your lunch money, not someone who calls you names and tells you you're worthless. And yes I know I'm belittling a trend that can have genuine emotional consequences, but I just think its a lot easier to deal with missing Facebook than missing teeth.

 

[Ctuchik]

I think the issue here is the definition of "bully". To me a bully is the guy who kicks the shit out of you and steals your lunch money, not someone who calls you names and tells you you're worthless. And yes I know I'm belittling a trend that can have genuine emotional consequences, but I just think its a lot easier to deal with missing Facebook than missing teeth.

But it's not just about missing facebook or other social media. It's about not having a "safe haven" any more.

Back when we were kids we could always just stay away from school if it got to bad. Now if you want to get away from bullies you not only have to do that, you have to turn off your cellphone and not sit at the computer to.

Internet bullies also aren't looking for instant reactions. So they have a lot more patience then the low IQ retard we had to suffer punches from...

It also takes a lot less effort to get the "job" done...

 

[old.Tohtori]

Trolls.

Shame that the term "troll" has degraded into describing of bullies and f*ck you spouters. Those people are assholes, nothing to do with trolling.

 

[Scouse]

Ok, and then what do you think will happen? You think the bully will just go "oh well" and go after someone else?

Or would he/she get really pissed off and be even worse?

I think what will happen is that you won't be able to see the bullying posts/receive bullying skype calls/read bullying forum posts etc. etc.

In short - the bully can do fuck all to you - because you can ignore him.

It's really fucking hard to get away from a bully today

It's as hard as it was previously to get away from a real-life bully. And that's horrid - because if it's at school then you know you have to go back in the next day.

If it's on the internet it's easy. Because you can go out and do something less boring instead. Like ride a bike. Or shag your girlfriend. Or not be fucking obsessed with the internet and confuse it with something you don't have control over like some bloody idiot loser who deserves what they get.

 

[Scouse]

Sounds to me that Scouse rather just hide from his problems than confront them

If you're being "bullied" then you've a feeling of powerlessness.

In real-life you must confront your bullies - or continue to be bullied and feel powerless.

On the internet the only thing you can do is throw shit back or stick them on ignore. Period. What else can you do to "confront" bullies on the internet?


Oh yes. You could alternatively grow a pair of balls and stop whining about "bullying" that you can turn off when it starts to get to you.

It's about not having a "safe haven" any more.

If you can't live without your PC and social media and the park/tennis court/football pitch/friends house/your own living room isn't a "safe haven" then you're one hell of basket case anyway tbfh.

Internet bullies also aren't looking for instant reactions. So they have a lot more patience then the low IQ retard we had to suffer punches from...

That low IQ retard can knock your teeth out, break your arm, put you in hospital. And there's no escape.

THAT, my friend, is a bully.

 

[DaGaffer]

But it's not just about missing facebook or other social media. It's about not having a "safe haven" any more.

Sorry I don't even know what you mean here.

Back when we were kids we could always just stay away from school if it got to bad. Now if you want to get away from bullies you not only have to do that, you have to turn off your cellphone and not sit at the computer to.

First of all, no you couldn't stay away from school if "it got bad", at least not when I was growing up. Second, when it comes to the internet, you are in control, you simply don't engage, don't click that checkbox, ignore that text. You're not really in any kind of control when someone's stuffing your head down the toilet.

Internet bullies also aren't looking for instant reactions. So they have a lot more patience then the low IQ retard we had to suffer punches from...

It also takes a lot less effort to get the "job" done...

Only if you let it.

 

[Gwadien]

Ask.FM operates with facebook - you can post your questions + answers directly onto Facebook, thus causing discussion and debate and most likely 'aw babes ur not fat.' etc etc.

 

[rynnor]

Interesting quote from the father
"She was bullied online. Whether she wrote some of it herself doesn’t make any difference.
A 14-year-old girl has taken her own life because she was being bullied on the internet."

Uh-huh - huge difference actually...

 

[Raven]

Definition of some and most. The some was probably bandwagoners latching onto the abuse she was sending herself.

 

[old.Tohtori]

It's esy to see why the parents would be upset, it's easier to blame everything and everyone else when they must know that they've failed if their kid is suicidal and it's gone unnoticed.

Though it all goes to show like i've said before; internet isn't for everyone. Shouldn't go in, or let your kids go in, withut some training.

We lot have been living and growing with it since the internet started.