Are Buffbots killing this game?

[[SS]Gamblor]

English isn't my native language either, still, I manage to write without a million of grammar errors .

Anyone with active income (a.k.a working) can easily afford 2 accounts.

I don't really get your 'low iq boohoo wooo ;<' flame.

 

[CliffyG]

I'm considering getting one for me and the wife to use. Always having a rez on hand is worthwhile on its own let alone the full enhance buffs .

 

[CliffyG]

Just bought a new set of cd's for a BB now .

 

[Gorrion]

Just bought a new set of cd's for a BB now .

And that is why they will never change the the buffbot isue, a shame really.

 

[tedStar]

People who cant afford em just jealous at people who can afford em.
Personally im jealous at Mr. Hugh "Playboy" Hefner.

think i'll go write him a letter now.

 

[MKJ]

Buffbots

Well i think they certainly have a part to play in this game but it should be toned down some. I think the way this can be achieved is as follows:

Buff limit should equal a cap limit that is reachable with sc'd items. This is so the rediculous buff enhancements people get in RVR is removed. Buffers will still gain greatly because they will not have to use sc to get to the cap limit. Sc'ers will be able to match the buffed players and fight on equal terms. After all most will keep their buffbots because they help greatly with levelling etc.

Buffs should be reduced in power anyways cos the change from unbuffed to buffed is far too much. When i duelled a player with my 50 sb after being buffed for so long i thought my computer had locked for a while because he became so slow. Totally rediculous. I mean his str, for example, goes from 178 to 320+ which is just crazy.

Personally i would keep my buffbot and use him/her for levelling more and healing etc. The above would help sort some of the game imbalance out for sure and would not cause Mythic much if any loss of sales.

MKJ

 

[tedStar]

lol not any loss of sales??

the reason people get buffbots is because the difference is so great. remove the difference and people dont want a buffy anymore.

 

[Tigersans]

I know 6 m8s now that have left the game due to bb's and yes i agree im a rr5 tank and to get slaughtered by rr1's that are buffed to fek really winds me up,

I cant affordt 2 accounts so can see me following the rd of my m8's soon. i think mythic /goa should maybe allow buffs to last 10 mins only so the bb has to be out in the frontier with the person or maybe have a radius for buffs to be active from the bb.


But they wont do this as say there are 1200 people on servre for example there probably getting subs for 2000 what company would do things to jeapardise that sort of income...Even though in my eyes its whats stopping my rvring and just resorting to xpg and maybe leaving very soon.

 

[living]

Yea buffbots really stinks, either remove em again or make Serkers 2hit buffed infils again ;>

 

[Aloca]

QQ

3 people 7 accounts..

 

[chipper]

what a silly question tbh

ofc buffbots are not killing the game if anything there aiding the game for instance everyone knows assasins dont get many grps while lvling up i bit the bullet one day and said screw it im gettin a BB suddenly a week on im having no difficulty gettin xp
as for buffs in rvr lets be fair we would just run around with a buffspec healing class in grp wouldnt we, removing BB's would change nothing imo they are not killing the game there just making it hard for ppl who want to solo i wouldnt dream of going rvr without some sort of buffs

 

[Coren]

I'd be happy if the bot got rp/xp as well as the person they buffed, or if there was a range limit like with the shammy end buff (which was just too ridiculous even for Mythic to justify). Still I'll go back to my dream world.

 

[Gorrion]

1: Put range on all consentration buff's, and the problem with buffbot's would be (90% ) solved

2: Make all consentration buff's ranged and group required, then the buffbot would die away for sure.

 

[Coren]

Well of course it would, but its never going to happen as Mythic is a company and gets income from the thousands of BB subscriptions. I think giving the bot a proportion of rp, as if it had healed the person it had buffed for example, might make it seem fairer even if it didn't actually reduce the usage of bots.

 

[Killswitch]

Undecided about this one. I don't have a BB (although my GF is currently levelling one I might end up borrowing tbh). I DO have a rejuve/enhance-specced cleric on my 2nd account, so I'll often park him in ATK and use his unremarkable buffs for my RvR chars. If I want to play a char on the same account as him, then tough.

How about just having all RvR combat calcs ignore +stat buffs unless the buffer is actually IN the group? That way, your BB is still useful for levelling and PvE groups (and I don't think anyone is complaining about that) but no use in RvR. Also avoids complications like ranged buffs and group-only buffs (which would make life hard for solo chars trying to level..poor infs).

Obviously +stat from gear works fine, but when in RvR combat just ignore the extra str/dex/qui/etc of everyone involved. Other possibility might be to make buffs group-only, but only in RvR areas (Frontiers + DF) and strip off any outside-group buffs when entering these areas.

Would this affect people who like to do PvE in the Frontiers though...

Tricky one this

 

[tedStar]

Here's a suggestion, keep them!

 

[tierk]

i spent the first year of game without a bb, as i listened to misguided people and was cannon fodder the entire time except when i used to get grps. As a ranger with pf 36 i can assure it was a massive change when i got a bb lvled up.
I dont see why people complain so much about bb's as there buffs are not just used for RvR action but a lot of time for PvE and my bb is rarely active and just buffing me.
when i used to prowl in DF late at night looking for farmers, bb's were always my first victim's and i considered them my entree's so to speak as by the time the player has realised he is under attack and switched to the bb, +900 rp and then we have to work for any more.
were is the harm please tell me? For people that try to say that i am a mug for paying mythic twice to play one account i say, so what, its my money and i spend it how i want to spend it and bugger anyone who tries to tell me, were, how or when i spend it. for those who say the game is too expensive, it works out to about the cost of two packets of cigarettes here in England, so if u live in England, i dont believe you and for the rest of you, if you dont have one, get one as you wont have much fun.
the people in previous posts telling everyone how bad it is to have a bb and how much more fun they have when they do finally get a kill i say "wake up dudes!!!" If u were starved for two days and i gave u a tin of tuna that tuna would be the most tasty food you ever had in your life! Get my drift?? omg how long is this post!!! Best cut it short ;D
Keep it Green people.

 

[Aloca]

If u were starved for two days and i gave u a tin of tuna that tuna would be the most tasty food you ever had in your life! Get my drift??

With BB you can have tuna every day

 

[tedStar]

If u were starved for two days and i gave u a tin of tuna that tuna would be the most tasty food you ever had in your life!

to steal a phrase from eddie murphy

 

[tierk]

to steal a phrase from eddie murphy

Cookies

 

[Riddcully]

Lets face it bots are here to stay, i recently started one on my step sons account (which i pay for ) and imo its great, never done rvr with it but even at lvl 29 its feels uber when u wtfpwn a red con and see that your harpys cloak has actually gained a whole 1% of xp

Anyway its all down to the have's and have nots those with em are for em and those without hate em, and GOA love em ofc.

Adenn 50arms

 

[Gillian]

DF Hunt

My first char was and is an Infil, and I don't have a BB either. it stinks, however made it to RR4L1 so far and here is where best RPs are to be had.

No.1. DF! When we own it, get in there and log, prefereably mid side. Then login once they have held DF a little while and have fun fun fun. I usually manage 10+ kills before I get caught. Killing 50 Bbs on grey con PL'ers is the funniest. 900+rps for 1 kill almost no chance of dieing...so get your own back on BB PLers However pick other targets carefully, everyone is BB'ed here too, but at least if you pick on a lvl 45 ish who has been buffed you have an even chance...ish. After a while you can tell by the mobes they fight, the spells they cast and how well they do...i.e. how quickly they kill a blue con mob for instance. vanish is a great RA here. Don't use it mid fight, its bugged to hell and rarely works, but if after a kill you need to escape fast then if you see another Mid and cannot stealth yet, hit vanish.....saved me loads of times.

No.2 Emain stealth zerg....our guild has loads of scouts....group with them, if you get several you get TS every 15 mins or so, camp MMG, and TS, and you will get 1 or 2 kills clean.....if you can get a mincer with good stealth then you can get around emain fast too....saves the long stealth slog to mmg just to die...can be disappointing. badic tactic...pick fights 2 or 3 on 1, then even if they are BB'ed you should take em out

Gillian

 

[Ixoth]

My first char was and is an Infil, and I don't have a BB either. it stinks, however made it to RR4L1 so far and here is where best RPs are to be had.

No.1. DF! When we own it, get in there and log, prefereably mid side. Then login once they have held DF a little while and have fun fun fun. I usually manage 10+ kills before I get caught. Killing 50 Bbs on grey con PL'ers is the funniest. 900+rps for 1 kill almost no chance of dieing...so get your own back on BB PLers However pick other targets carefully, everyone is BB'ed here too, but at least if you pick on a lvl 45 ish who has been buffed you have an even chance...ish. After a while you can tell by the mobes they fight, the spells they cast and how well they do...i.e. how quickly they kill a blue con mob for instance. vanish is a great RA here. Don't use it mid fight, its bugged to hell and rarely works, but if after a kill you need to escape fast then if you see another Mid and cannot stealth yet, hit vanish.....saved me loads of times.

No.2 Emain stealth zerg....our guild has loads of scouts....group with them, if you get several you get TS every 15 mins or so, camp MMG, and TS, and you will get 1 or 2 kills clean.....if you can get a mincer with good stealth then you can get around emain fast too....saves the long stealth slog to mmg just to die...can be disappointing. badic tactic...pick fights 2 or 3 on 1, then even if they are BB'ed you should take em out

Gillian

Gray con farming is low.. tbh.

 

[tedStar]

df mid side is even more fun when ur buffed

 

[Jika]

Are BB's killing this game ?

No

 

[Tigersans]

Same here i created an NS in rvr he's kak unbuffed in DF hes kak unbuffed as i have no bb i only use him for killing lowbies in DF..

He is now RR3L7 on killing yell cons but on death blue or green, sorry to say it but without a bb its only way of getting RPS.. When he dies in DF alb/midside which ever side ive logged at i dont play him no more till we get df and can log him back in..

He is shut kak at one 2 one fights with other 50's even 48+ as he is never buffed....To me it makes RVR solo virtually imposs unless have a bb..

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

buffbots in itself arent destructive for the game unless u don't got one, but the fact that u have to pay double to be able to compete cos someone early on couldnt resist the urge to "cheat" to be better than everyone else and got himself a second account and made a buffer only reveals how "smallminded" humans are.
given the opportunity everyone "cheats", at least if someone else already has done it before and didnt get cut his hand off.
one other thing to consider is that the three realm buffers are different from each other, Shaman being the best PvE bot and Druid the best PvP bot.
one solution for ppl that cant afford 2 accounts is to "share" an account with one or two RL mates if the opportunity is there.
but i think that support accounts will be hurtfull to the amount of new players coming to the game, wich imo is sad.

i almost left the game cos of buffbots until i by coincident got "my own" little helper not too long ago.
if a poor sod dont got a buffbot and <*you*> do, be big enough to share some with a random guy if u got some spare conc imo.
help your realm mates and help make excal a less "l33tzor" and egoistic place to be.

ps. i call buffbots "cheat" cos early in the game it wasnt really legal to own 2 accounts.

 

[tedStar]

ps. i call buffbots "cheat" cos early in the game it wasnt really legal to own 2 accounts.

wrong.

it wasnt legal to own 2 accts on diff realms on the same server.

aka x-realming

 

[Craft]

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Looking at a time to cost ratio it makes perfect sense to buy another account and level yourself, heres the math:

1 Account: £8 Per Calendar Month / £2 Per Week. ( Basic Setup ) Time spent leveling characters in group: quite a bit of time, and you have to wait for groups that will accept you, random xp group can go very slow, but not as slow as soloing.

2 Accounts: £16 Per Calendar Month / £4 Per Week. ( Advanced Game Setup / Hardcore Players ) Time spent leveling cut at least in half as cleric / Necro combo may gain exp faster resulting in less of 'your' play time being wasted waiting for groups / mana / endurance.

Personally i dont smoke so i dont need 20 cigarettes a day, average cost of 20 cigarettes in the Uk: £4.

Less smoking = faster leveling

Faster Leveling > time spent waiting for groups / mana / endurance.

People without ToA 'NEED' a buffbot to compete with endgame characters, but then again endgame characters ( Fully SC'ed, Buffed, ToA'd ) shouldnt lose to SI users unless they really aint that good a player

 

[Coren]

So buffbots reduce the risk of lung cancer then? Maybe I should get one...Has the health secretary been informed? Maybe the government can subsidise buffbots for the needy.