Are Buffbots killing this game?

[Shrye]

The entire buff-system in Daoc have always been the biggest BUG in the game. But they are there, and prolly will continue to be, as long mythic is getting profit from it they will say " Working as intended ".
in my view buffbot ( players ) will always be the biggest noob's and will never gain respect from me, even if their realm rank should state otherwise.
BUFFBOT "PLAYERS" WILL NEVER BE MORE THAN RR1L1.

Use potions, charges, class-buff-spells, poison, and skill, and the reward from a kill feel's so much more satisfying, to make a kill on a "often" buffed Stealther seeing 6 - 7 green buff-notes vanish from him/her when he fall dead, i cant help but do /Laugh.
Never have i used Buffbot, and never will be the day i do.

Despising people because they use means to boost their characters completely within the rules... Now, who exactly is it that's far out?

 

[Skilgannon]

Mythic have stated that the whole game design accounted for the assumption that all players in PvE and RvR would be fully buffed. Ok, they probably envisaged in-group buffs, but buffs nonetheless.

Bots started cause always having to find a group to do anything at a reasonable pace, especially in the days of 89% qual, was a royal pain in the ass. Bots give you freedom to be able to logon and have fun without sitting around reliant on others. In due course some found buffs were advantageous in RvR and the rest is history.

Mythic have gained income and alot of players, incl me, have been able to cast aside the precious wasted hours begging for a grp.

I have nothing against bots and have used one ever since my precious smiter got whacked with the bat (huge money-spinning nerf if ever there was one). I haven't fought another soloer who hasn't dropped buffs apart from in HotC, and in groups everyone is buffed anyway.

The real shame for players, imo, is that they implemented buffs in the first place. Would have been better to have given everyone +125 at 50 and be done with it.

As others have stated, more harm has come from whiners in all 3 realms than will ever come from the use of buffbots.

 

[Dorin]

in my view buffbot ( players ) will always be the biggest noob's and will never gain respect from me, even if their realm rank should state otherwise.
BUFFBOT "PLAYERS" WILL NEVER BE MORE THAN RR1L1.

Use potions, charges, class-buff-spells, poison, and skill, and the reward from a kill feel's so much more satisfying, to make a kill on a "often" buffed Stealther seeing 6 - 7 green buff-notes vanish from him/her when he fall dead, i cant help but do /Laugh.
Never have i used Buffbot, and never will be the day i do.

bullshit, i have seen good players suck in RvsR becouse of not having a BB.

and tbh m8 respect bla bla <<<< fun

For solo unbuffed peeps rvsr without zerg or grp is = instadie most of the time.

But sure, can sit on pad respected, must be lot of fun xD

 

[Flimgoblin]

buffbots already have screwed everything up however it seems like the game is now being balanced around buffbotted people...

hell my cleric now needs a buffbot!

 

[PJS]

Use potions, charges, class-buff-spells, poison, and skill, and the reward from a kill feel's so much more satisfying, to make a kill on a "often" buffed Stealther seeing 6 - 7 green buff-notes vanish from him/her when he fall dead, i cant help but do /Laugh.
Never have i used Buffbot, and never will be the day i do.

You dont laugh much then

 

[Skilgannon]

Another point for players who think bots are a fairly recent introduction is that they have been used since beta.

Day 4 of release I was ganked by a lvl 23 Skald called Ungar who had a pacbot called Pain in tow. Chain-stunning bots were all the rage.

"Feed the Ungar, feel the Pain!" was his catchphrase on forums as I remember.

 

[Light]

"Feed the Ungar, feel the Pain!" was his catchphrase on forums as I remember.

lmao

 

[remi]

this topic is soooo 2003

 

[stormwind]

Not that much fun playing an aug-sham (yes im active! yes I like the class!) when you have 10 BB´s all lined up outside the keeps when your lfg... I say

 

[Bishibosh]

The entire buff-system in Daoc have always been the biggest BUG in the game. But they are there, and prolly will continue to be, as long mythic is getting profit from it they will say " Working as intended ".
in my view buffbot ( players ) will always be the biggest noob's and will never gain respect from me, even if their realm rank should state otherwise.
BUFFBOT "PLAYERS" WILL NEVER BE MORE THAN RR1L1.

Use potions, charges, class-buff-spells, poison, and skill, and the reward from a kill feel's so much more satisfying, to make a kill on a "often" buffed Stealther seeing 6 - 7 green buff-notes vanish from him/her when he fall dead, i cant help but do /Laugh.
Never have i used Buffbot, and never will be the day i do.

I used to see things the same way, until I got my own. I really tried to have fun without one and hated them, but now that I have one things do seem an awful lot better.

For starters, playing an unbuffed scout in today's rvr is a pretty horrific experience. It's kinda depressing knowing that the only way you can get rp is by doing small damage leeching off of other's fights. Anyway when I got to rr5 I was expecting the "big change" that everyone had told me about but noticed absolutely nothing. Sooo I got a buffbot and I can finally compete and have 1 on 1 fights from time to time.

And yes I did level my scout as an alchemist for the buff potions, but they dont last long, and dont add to stats properly. There isn't all that much difference between leveling a buffbot and leveling an alch'er if you look at it, appart from the fact that buffbots are far more effective.

And about that never leaving 1.1 catchphrase i'm afraid you got it the wrong way round... People with a buffbot kinda start at around rr5 in a way even at 1.1, whereas an unbuffed character will never notice much improvement over 1.1 status.

I'm not saying that i dont understand your points as I used to feel exactly the same way, hating buffbot users and wishing the accs would get banned, but then I just realised that there was no point whining and bought into one myself, and i havent regretted it. If you were talking about your unbuffed hunter laughing at buffed stealthers surely you must have forgotten the command by now...

At the end of the day I've realised that if you play the game just trying to please other people, you'll end up with a gimpy group fight leecher. If you prefer to just play the game the way that you enjoy, you end up with a fairly capable class. Up to you though, you are entitled to an opinion.

 

[Coren]

Friar = Own Buffbot

Friars get boned by both sides of the buffbot coin - our self spec buffs were added in to fix the huge cock-up by mythic in not making our dex/qui raise with levels (though we get ub3r STR), so we are intended to compete with self buffed dex/qui and as such have a harder time against buffed opponents. On the other hand, friars can get very little use out of a bot except for spec con, unless you go for crazy spec options with no enhance. Anyway...sounding like whine now so I'll stop cos its here to stay.

 

[Kale]

I used to see things the same way, until I got my own. I really tried to have fun without one and hated them, but now that I have one things do seem an awful lot better.

But you pay Mythic/GOA double the subcription price for the privilege, which im not gonna do. I guess if you are happy to do that then fine im not judging you or anybody else, i just thought that Mythic/GOA would see the big picture and realise that this game is going to be short lived now.

Even the infiltrator team lead has commented here:
http://vnboards.ign.com/DAoC_TL_Reports/b22181/65779418/?0
that:

Concern : Buff Bots
An old concern, but still a valid one; the difference between botted performance and unbotted performance is staggering. The bot remains the largest divider between the haves and the have nots, greater than either realm rank or equipment disparities. It is unacceptable that this divider cannot be crossed without a second account.

I still think that Mythic/GOA take no notice of the team leads anyway so it think i'll let my subscription finish at the end of this period and find something a little more fun .

 

[Muylaetrix]

Buffbots

Never used, never will. What gets me is people use bots and whine about the crap balance in this game. Ah well

Admit you are all to happy to accept spec buffs from gradiuus instead of using your own

 

[Muylaetrix]

And i think you are a `billy-no-mates` if you run around in rvr without buffs constantly, unless you are in the rvr dungeon.

 

[tedStar]

unbuffed is boring, its sooo slow

 

[Cracked]

Buffbots dont destroy the game, ToA did.

 

[Klonk]

Why would i wanna speak greek? English Uber alles....

Based on your effortless grasp of the English language displayed in your two posts, indeed

 

[Suedish]

As soon as Warhammer Online is here im gone, your thoughts?

My thought. Wait around for UXO instead. http://uxo.ea.com

 

[tedStar]

Based on your effortless grasp of the English language displayed in your two posts, indeed

Bah, im bi-lingual tho, english/dutch

 

[tedStar]

correction: Australian isnt seen as english by many, kinda like welsh

 

[Flimgoblin]

I gave in and respecced my enhance/smite cleric because despite having the same buffs as my opponent a large amount of my spec points had gone into getting them whilst my enemies got their capped enhance buffs for free.

44s/30r + buffbot levels the field.

 

[evzy]

Never see people with buffbots whining about em for some reason.
I have one ... think its great, if I am soloing and give someone some spare buffs never see them whine either..
I lived without buffbot for over a year , could live without one again if i had to(and am considering retiring it atm).
Buffbots are not killing the game , since it started buffbots have been available , people still play and are not leaving in their masses in protest at them.. TOA has probably made more people leave than any other game change.

Gotta love the buffbots !!!!

 

[CorNokZ]

About the bbs, someone who his IQ is low pay 2 accounts to play 1.

Sorry to say it... It makes no sence to me... Givf gramma plz..

 

[Healer McHeal]

in my opinion, bots have done a fair bit of damage really, would zerkers have been nerfed if the bots were not about? i doubt it, its because of the bots that they hit so hard, its the whole reason why pvp is over so quick, because every one has so high wep skill, so high dmg, etc.

i cant think of an actual solution to it that will work, so i wont try, but i dont personally use a bot all the time, i even run solo to emain as a warden with just self buffs half the time.

 

[Healer McHeal]

I recall hearing something about UO2 being cancelled, and I believe many were tired of grief pk'ers - which coincidentally happened as EQ were released, and the carebears went there (not to mention, their massive promotion, attracting alot of new players).

Mythic/DAoC got it different, there's both a place for the PvP oriented person, the carebear - but also for a mix inbetween, so you can decide for yourself what exactly you want. This seems to be what all mmorpgs has these days, in one form or another, a requirement for potentional future releases. Correct me if wrong, however DAoC was the first mmorpg introducing a mix of the two elements, and alot of people has had a pleasant experience with DAoC, wether we want to admit it or not. It's only natural that people will try something from the same company, if they got a good experience with it from the past, and it'll likely happen again here.

*corrects*

UO also after a while had a pve and a pvp zone, Felluca and Trammel, was same world, u could just pvp in one, and not in the other

 

[Fana]

I have a bot, and i find it very usefull. I Wouldnt give it up unless it somehow became usless in *both* pve and rvr. If mythic introduced range on buffs i would still keep it for pve purposes (despite it beeing useless in rvr). On the other hand i would welcome a range penalty since it would (probably) make rvr more balanced (classes with selfbuff lines are at a disadvantage today since that line is negated by bb's etc).

 

[Hawkeye]

you ppl bitching about bb's need to learn how to play your class tbh . i have a bb now or should i say im lvling one its only 35 at the moment

i got to rr 6 lvl 2 without a BB and did just fin and still play alot without one solo in emain and kill plenty . yes i leech but i also get plenty of solo kills

and before anyone bitches about me been a leechor you can ram it until you pay my subs or re write the coc ill dam well add were i want

skill and knowledge of the class you play means alot but haveing a bot makes it easier that's all

oh and as to the torch thing .. its a myth you cannot see a torch on a member of another realm

 

[Gorrion]

I dont understand why there has not been put a range on buff (well shaman endurance regn has) it would bring so much ballance back to the rvr part of the the game, especially for the solo minded players. The 1fg players wont feel the the change as they have the buffer in the group (unless they ofc are "ALSO" using buffbots)
It would be 1 of the best devolepments in the history of daoc if range was put on all consentration related buff's.

 

[Heath]

oh and as to the torch thing .. its a myth you cannot see a torch on a member of another realm

So, i take it that the luri i saw on the rock in Thid was trying to light his fag, judging by the way he kept lighting up, going out, lighting up, going out...etc.....looked like a torch being used to me. And, the luri who was stood beside him was doing a damn good impersonation of Marcel Marceau cos he had a lovely bright face. As for using a BB...i have one..only lvl 21 at the mo, but she is handy to have while i go PvE...i sometimes wonder why i didnt have one a lot sooner. She can make the difference between life and death. And for me, that is all that matters. Would rather be a happy living BB user than a dead, mob cursing non BB user.

 

[Lothandar]

Think that many people from different countries play in English servers so english isn't our native language.
If you speak Greek i will not say anything about your grammar because I know you are not Greek and don't expect from you to speak/write as I do.
Yup i know that they will not fix the distance to get rid of the buff bots, is logical after all it create more money to Mythic and GOA/Wanadoo.

English isn't my native language either, still, I manage to write without a million of grammar errors .

Anyone with active income (a.k.a working) can easily afford 2 accounts.

I don't really get your 'low iq boohoo wooo ;<' flame.