Impressed Apple vs the FBI

[Gwadien]

Well Gwad started it.
My main point through these posts, is privacy is an illusion, we went from no privacy in small hunter gatherer groups to privacy by sheer numbers, now that has been shot down by the capabilities of the internet, so we try encryption , which quite simply attracts attention to itself.
Not unlike hiding behind a screen...'whatya doing in there?'
The security services will not allow the masses to hide from them, it's fundamental.
As I have posted before, when BT's electronic exchanges were first put in, the government security services enforced a built in spying protocol, as soon as you pick up your house phone, the first thing an exchange does is check to see if the government wants to listen to the call.
It's the very first parameter in a long line of code, if it flags up, then the call immediately leaves the normal network and is routed to 'spy' headquarters..no court order, no comebacks.
They can listen in anytime , totally undetectable.

You're missing the point.

I don't think anyone on this forum is being naïve and aren't aware we're being spied upon.

The point is that Apple are going out of their way to defy our overlords and they're expecting people to back them up.

 

[Deebs]

Seems like the FBI have a way to crack the iPhone now with the help of a 3rd party and are asking for an extension to pursue. Personally, I think they are backtracking and in any case it has been noted that the Paris terrorists didn't use encryption/txts to organise their assault, just pure and simple burner phones with short communications.

And this is just as fucking scary Tech giants raise concerns over UK draft surveillance bill - BBC News

 

[Job]

It's unlikely that there is anything on that phone of any interest, but if terror cells know that the FBI can't access iphones, then they will be the weapon of choice.

 

[Deebs]

It's unlikely that there is anything on that phone of any interest, but if terror cells know that the FBI can't access iphones, then they will be the weapon of choice.

Burner phones, not encryption, kept Paris terrorists off the authorities’ radar

 

[Job]

Yes...and you can bet the authorities are after burner phones...you used to be able to just buy one and buy airtime with cash...then they upped the id trail..expect to see a much more strict process to use them

 

[Deebs]

Yes...and you can bet the authorities are after burner phones...you used to be able to just buy one and buy airtime with cash...then they upped the id trail..expect to see a much more strict process to use them

And the terrorists will just buy bulk from countries without stringent ID checks in place for burner phones/SIMs and then roam. Do people really think the average terrorist is a dumb fuck with no idea on how technology works and the workarounds available?

 

[Gwadien]

And the terrorists will just buy bulk from countries without stringent ID checks in place for burner phones/SIMs and then roam. Do people really think the average terrorist is a dumb fuck with no idea on how technology works and the workarounds available?

This is the point I made earlier.

The FBI have been probably been trying to be able to crack iPhones for a VERY long time, this event has just played into their hands perfectly, even though they'll just go onto their phone and there'll be porn.

 

[Job]

Of course there are workarounds and that is why it is an endless game of cat and mouse, and we have to pay each time...eventually you will need top level id to even log your mobile onto the network..that's until they break the gsm encryption.

 

[Deebs]

Of course there are workarounds and that is why it is an endless game of cat and mouse, and we have to pay each time...eventually you will need top level id to even log your mobile onto the network..that's until they break the gsm encryption.

Um, GSM encryption was broken years ago. 3G/4G encryption is not that much better and most of the 5 eyes are able to decrypt it. A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: On cellular encryption

 

[Job]

Showing my ignorance here..is 4g not gsm?
Is gsm just voice?

 

[Deebs]

Showing my ignorance here..is 4g not gsm?
Is gsm just voice?

GSM is the older standard (2G) used before 3G/4G came along. It is still available on all handsets for when you cannot establish a 3G/4G connection to the mast. 2G/3G/4G all carry voice and data, just using different protocols GSM, UMTS, LTE.

 

[Bodhi]

Just a thought, but if the FBI had been after personal data to sell to advertisers, it would have been given up straight away?

 

[Raven]

No, Apple protect their carefully programmed sheep.

 

[CorNokZ]

FBI got into the phone and won't tell Apple how. I laughed a little

 

[Tom]

I hope now that Apple sue the FBI for information on how they managed to get around their security.

And then patch it.

 

[caLLous]

I wouldn't be surprised if they knew all along that they could get into it but just wanted to use this as an opportunity to try to set a precedent for future cases.

 

[fettoken]

I wouldn't be surprised if they knew all along that they could get into it but just wanted to use this as an opportunity to try to set a precedent for future cases.

It could as well blow up in their face if Apple decides to sue and happens to win.

 

[Deebs]

Apple cannot sue the FBI for managing to get the data off the phone as the DCMA does not apply if there is an ongoing investigation and court order in effect, which there is. The DoJ has made the details on how they did it "classified" to make it even harder for anyone to know the details as they are now under seal. What Apple has said is that they will through legal channels attempt to get the information if it presents itself.

 

[Zarjazz]

I hope now that Apple sue the FBI for information on how they managed to get around their security.

They used an Israeli firm called Cellebrite that specialises in phone forensics to get the data for them - basically extra the raw data from the onboard chips, decode, job done. Not all of that data is currently stored encrypted (or it's very easy to decrypt) but Apple have said future iOS versions will change that so not even they can hack the phone even if they wanted to.