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Macey

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Hi, my name's Macey and I'm fucking stuffed to the teeth with cash, so go out and buy everything you want, never download it. Even if you've other reasons to download than "cost" - they're not important to me so they shouldn't be to you either...

Im actually a 4th year student in about £10000 of debt so far and looking at being in £20000 more by the end of next year...if you consider that to be stuffed to the teeth with cash then Id very much hate to be in your shoes.

As it is, I manage my money, currently £200 to get by the next 2 months on, and yes, when I can afford to buy dvds, I go and buy them from a shop. I like to actually own things and am quite proud of the DVD collection which Ive built up over the last few years, it means a lot more to me than a list of icons on my pc from downloaded films.

Try not to be such a presumptive fool next time you post, I dont really care if your views differ from mine on the subject of downloading and piracy, I still feel entitled to put my views across.
 

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I agree with Macey by the way. I dont download things, its for peasants ;)
 

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True, but we all know Torrents mainly supply pirated games/films to the people who download 50gigs of the stuff every week.

Hell there is a guy where i work who openly admits to downloading game after game after game and selling them off.

Fucking can't stand em tbh.

You sanctimonious cock. You mean you've never borrowed a CD off a mate? With music being such a personal thing, there has to be some degree of try before you buy. In the past if you weren't sure about a band you found a mate with their CD, borrowed it for a week, if it was good you bought it, if it wasn't you taped it. Now if I'm not sure I go on a site that combines two small cars and download the CD. If its good I buy. If it isn't I don't.
 

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Im actually a 4th year student in about £10000 of debt so far and looking at being in £20000 more by the end of next year...if you consider that to be stuffed to the teeth with cash then Id very much hate to be in your shoes.

As it is, I manage my money, currently £200 to get by the next 2 months on, and yes, when I can afford to buy dvds, I go and buy them from a shop. I like to actually own things and am quite proud of the DVD collection which Ive built up over the last few years, it means a lot more to me than a list of icons on my pc from downloaded films.

Try not to be such a presumptive fool next time you post, I dont really care if your views differ from mine on the subject of downloading and piracy, I still feel entitled to put my views across.

Sounds to me like you can't afford to be pissing your money up the wall on DVD's.

I was like you once. I left uni with heavy debt and a very large VHS collection which I was proud of...

:)
 

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The traffic management and the plans to fiddle with torrent traffic shows that Virgin Media are more bothered with milking their customers instead of upgrading their network.

It's slightly understandable that P2P traffic gets managed though, every time a users connection gets upgraded they just end up using more traffic. P2P takes advantage of whatever upload speed it has (or whatever you set it to), so even if an ISP doubles their capacity the P2P application will just eat it up.
 

Macey

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Sounds to me like you can't afford to be pissing your money up the wall on DVD's.

I was like you once. I left uni with heavy debt and a very large VHS collection which I was proud of...

:)


Which is why I now only buy DVDs when they are on offer when I can afford them. I see no reason to download films, I would rather sit comfortably in my living room watching a dvd quality film with dvd quality sound than a crappy download with a low recording speed. The same goes for music, downloaded ripped music is nowhere near as good quality as CD, so I would rather pay a few quid every time a CD comes out that I actually want rather than download thousands of mp3s that Im never going to listen to more than once.

Like I said before, I used to download a lot of stuff from torrents, I now have made the decision that I would rather buy stuff when it is affordable than to download it.

I see no reason for you to imply that I am some sanctimonious toff with more money than sense simply due to the fact that I no longer break the law...
 

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I think you'll find that 1080 films are higher quality than DVDs, and also that FLAC rips are of identical quality to CDs.

Carry on.
 

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Macey mate, you have to learn rule one of internet forums. You can't put forward your point of view, even if as you have it's done politely, if its different to some of the people who post on said forum already.

Just imagine you're 12 years old and you just moved to a new school with new classmates, then you'll get the idea.
 

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The traffic management and the plans to fiddle with torrent traffic shows that Virgin Media are more bothered with milking their customers instead of upgrading their network.

It's slightly understandable that P2P traffic gets managed though, every time a users connection gets upgraded they just end up using more traffic. P2P takes advantage of whatever upload speed it has (or whatever you set it to), so even if an ISP doubles their capacity the P2P application will just eat it up.

Yeah cause there is shit loads of other companies in the Uk offering what Virgin offer at the same cost......

My 20mb connection does me fine, I will be upgrading to the 50mb when my area gets the jump up. I buy dvds and music but I also download Tv's shows generally when I am in bed. I don't however find it necessary to download porn for 20 hours a day so I doubt I will notice any of the changes that Virgin are making.

With regards to the television Virgins demand facility is far superior to Skys!!! My wife said so, so nar!!!!!
 

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I think you'll find that 1080 films are higher quality than DVDs, and also that FLAC rips are of identical quality to CDs.

Carry on.

If you have the time to sift through the endless amounts of crap on most bit torrents to find those high end items then good for you mate, I still find it easier to go to a shop and buy it.

Carry on.
 

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If you have the time to sift through the endless amounts of crap on most bit torrents to find those high end items then good for you mate, I still find it easier to go to a shop and buy it.

Carry on.

I don't require any time at all. I know where to go.
 

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If you have the time to sift through the endless amounts of crap on most bit torrents to find those high end items then good for you mate, I still find it easier to go to a shop and buy it.

Carry on.

frankly m8 you dont have a clue what ya talking about. and i dread to think of the sites you must have been using in your past i could give you 5 torrent sites right now that dont give you shit. ofc i wont and dont bother pmin me askin for em afaik most are member only anyway.

not gonna get into the whole legal debate end of the day its illegal piss and moan all ya want if you dl games music etc your breaking the law its not the big problem these rich ***** make out it is, and frankly i also dont see why i should fork out for something before i have chance to make an informed decision.

only thing i think needs to reviewed is television series i pay my licence so why the fuck do i have to pay again to watch an episode i may have missed that wont be aired again for another 3 years frankly fuck that.

anyone who uses torrents is tbh a bit daft its so easy to get caught now and is it really worth thousands of pound fines for the sake of a 12quid dvd

there are better methods than torrents, im not gonna say what cos im sure id be breaking some of the forum rules and get a ban

saying you cant afford such and such is not an excuse i cant afford a car doesnt mean ill go out and steal one.

if your going to dl illegally dont try and defend it you cant. just keep ya gob shut and be thankful that you can
 

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I think you'll find that 1080 films are higher quality than DVDs, and also that FLAC rips are of identical quality to CDs.

Carry on.

Nice. :)

I'd also say that picture quality isn't that important or we wouldn't have bought videos with their 200 horizontal lines of resolution for years - and any decent DVD rip is not far off DVD quality anyway.

Either way it beats having 1000 DVD's on your shelves in 15 years time when they've stopped making machines that play them whilst you stare into the abyss of "shit, I'm going to have to buy my whole collection again"....
 

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saying you cant afford such and such is not an excuse i cant afford a car doesnt mean ill go out and steal one

I certainly wouldn't steal anything.

But if you could go out and make a copy of someone's car would you? :p
 

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ofc i would that wouldnt be illegal wheres it say in your contract with the manufacturer you cant :)

however thats not the case with media content is it ;) unauthorized reproductions are forbidden in most media
 

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however thats not the case with media content is it ;) unauthorized reproductions are forbidden in most media

Yep. But making a copy doesn't deprive someone of their property and therefore isn't "stealing" :)

I'm of the opinion that "copyright theft" is your moral obligation...
 

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If lossless, DRM-free music, and HD video downloads were available as paid services, with no packet shaping, no speed restrictions, and prices below their physical media equivalents, would you buy them?
 

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im not disagreeing with you m8 i share the same opinion if a m8 wants to send me a song thats their choice far as im concerned its their property can do what the hell they like with it.

but no matter how you look at it scouse its still breaking the law, i dont agree with it but thems the facts :)

actually i do to an extent if you try see it from the other side of the fence you record a hit song 1 person buys it next day a thousand ppl are listening to it sure it feels great that ppl like your song but wouldnt you be just a lil bit pissed that those 1000 people didnt pay you for your work?

attitudes are changing especially in the music industry they realise they can no longer have our pants down if they expect us to buy their music as such prices are falling to more realistic levels :)
 

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ofc i would that wouldnt be illegal wheres it say in your contract with the manufacturer you cant :)


Im fairly sure it would actually be a massive infringement of the car company's intellectual property rights over the design and manufacturing of the car...
 

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Nothing against piracy though its not something I do any more really apart from the odd TV show, I prefer the "real version" of something, be it a game, CD or movie or whatever. I prefer to own something solid rather than a file on my hard drive.

I download TV programs because I refuse to be forced into watching pointless adverts 5 minutes out of every 15 for junk I have no interest in buying. I would quite happily pay-per-view and watch them but as the entertainment industry is stuck in the 90s and can't offer me that, I download it.

They need to rework how TV works, remove all the shitty adverts and go full pay-per-view, not only would this eliminate all the space filling dross on TV, we wouldn't have to endure awful adverts.
 

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Nothing against piracy though its not something I do any more really apart from the odd TV show, I prefer the "real version" of something, be it a game, CD or movie or whatever. I prefer to own something solid rather than a file on my hard drive.

I download TV programs because I refuse to be forced into watching pointless adverts 5 minutes out of every 15 for junk I have no interest in buying. I would quite happily pay-per-view and watch them but as the entertainment industry is stuck in the 90s and can't offer me that, I download it.

They need to rework how TV works, remove all the shitty adverts and go full pay-per-view, not only would this eliminate all the space filling dross on TV, we wouldn't have to endure awful adverts.

Isnt that what the new BBC home hub jobbie offers? The one in those adverts with the funny fella from My Family? (sorry to mention adverts in response to your anti-advert post) I agree with that though, I generally watch the channel 4 series' that I enjoy on demand now so that I can filter out the adverts.

The best example in recent memory was the 24 Redemption episode Sky put out before christmas, it could have been, and should have been, an amazing show. But it was a 2 (I think) hour long episode of the show, that felt like it was actually about 10 minutes as the amount of advert breaks in it were just ridiculous. I think there was a 5 minute ad break in every 10 minutes of tv, although Throd might have a better memory of it than me...
 

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Although my memory of that program has been proved to be rathere poor, yeah you're right the adverts were fucking terrible and every five bloody minutes.
 

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sky always takes the piss with adverts 5 mins in and they start winds me up to fuck doesnt matter what program 5-10 mins in you can guarntee youll see a 5 min long advert
 

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They need to rework how TV works, remove all the shitty adverts and go full pay-per-view, not only would this eliminate all the space filling dross on TV, we wouldn't have to endure awful adverts.

PPV is all well and good, but the US experience shows it only really works for certain types of programming, and wouldn't work at all without the ad-funded tv market to sell on shows in syndication. None of HBO's excellent output would have been commissioned purely on HBO subscriber revenues. You need a mix of subscriber telly, ad-funded telly, and a strong regulatory body to stop the worst impulses of management. As for the ads, to be honest, in the UK they're not that intrusive, and compared to everywhere else in the world, reasonably entertaining.

As it happens, you'll start to see more and more ad-free subscriber or ppv telly in the UK over the next few years anyway (particularly from US companies who are starting to package up their output for IPTV/VOD services, but also from the UK players with Kangaroo). Bet it won't stop everyone trying to get the free versions though.
 

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The problem with ads is that theyre a necessary evil. Like gaffer has said, without them we wouldnt have had a lot of the great tv series' weve had, and, lets face it, without adverts, how would you be able to nip to the loo or make a brew when youre watching a 1 hour long + programme?

I was upset when neighbours got moved to channel 5 though, its just not good enough to be worth watching when you have to sit through 10 minutes of adverts...
 

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I just Sky+ everything. Get through the ads in a few secs. I never watch anything live except footie.
 

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