Advice Another I need a new PC thread 'ahh!'

[Gwadien]

Rightio, I'm after a new PC, since mine is grinding to a halt, and can't keep up anymore (bless it.)

I appreciate some of you aren't fortune tellers, so what I'm about to ask you will raise eyebrows.

I have a budget of around £550, for an entirely new PC, Basically, I want it to be able to run games for about 4 more years (run is an important word, I don't care if they're on bare minimum graphics in the later days, but obviously, initially start high-ish.)

I'm more or less clueless about PCs, but I understand there's quite bit of drama/politics over brands of graphics cards and such, so if anyone is capable of giving me a hand, I'll appreciate greatly and repay you with likes/agrees!

Ta

 

[Gwadien]

Rightio, I'm after a new PC, since mine is grinding to a halt, and can't keep up anymore (bless it.)

I appreciate some of you aren't fortune tellers, so what I'm about to ask you will raise eyebrows.

I have a budget of around £550, for an entirely new PC, Basically, I want it to be able to run games for about 4 more years (run is an important word, I don't care if they're on bare minimum graphics in the later days, but obviously, initially start high-ish.)

I'm more or less clueless about PCs, but I understand there's quite bit of drama/politics over brands of graphics cards and such, so if anyone is capable of giving me a hand, I'll appreciate greatly and repay you with likes/agrees!

Ta

Actually, raise the budget to around £700ish.

 

[Raven]

Well... Start off with an intel CPU and suitable motherboard. Chuck the required amount of RAM at it. Chuck in a £150 graphics card. Done.

 

[Moriath]

Your a fecking student you can't afford a new pc. Be content with something that plays games like ruse etc. and get your degree. You will be in enough debt at the end anyhow

Unless you got rich parents

 

[Gwadien]

Your a fecking student you can't afford a new pc. Be content with something that plays games like ruse etc. and get your degree. You will be in enough debt at the end anyhow

Unless you got rich parents

My PC has a stroke every time I try to boot RUSE, haha, and it's a part christmas present anyway, so I'm not paying the full amount.

 

[Moriath]

I5 or i7 CPU with 8 gb ram. And a gfx card 760 gtx or so. Would be fine plus storage etc etc. don't know what the amd equiv is on the gfx card front

 

[Gwadien]

I5 or i7 CPU with 8 gb ram. And a gfx card 760 gtx or so. Would be fine plus storage etc etc. don't know what the amd equiv is on the gfx card front

I think that is more or less what @BloodOmen said

 

[BloodOmen]

Told you get an FX-9590, 8gig of kingston dd3 1600mhz ram, GTX 760 and your sorted. There are no graphics card that come close to the GTX 760 at the same/around the same price.

I7 4770k vs FX-9590 - FX-9590 is cheaper and only just behind

AMD Piledriver FX-8 Eight Core 9590 Black Edition 4.70GHz (5.00GHz Turbo) (Socket AM3+) Processor - £239.99 - Overclockers.co.uk

Intel Core i7-4770K 3.50GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - £269.99 - Overclockers.co.uk


http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-AMD-FX-9590

 

[caLLous]

I would go for the Intel CPU every day. Look at those power consumption figures for a start. It might not be a consideration if you're living in halls and don't have to pay for your own electricity usage but I'd always go for the more efficient CPU. The Intel is more elegant in every way, AMD are just trying to brute force it with their recent high-end offerings - more cores, more L2 cache, *much* higher power consumption. I expect the i5/i7 would last longer too.

 

[Gwadien]

Opinions on SSD/HDD or these Hybrid things @BloodOmen spoke to me about? From a quick look around it seemed cheaper to buy a cheap SSD and HDD rather than getting the hybrid?

 

[BloodOmen]

Opinions on SSD/HDD or these Hybrid things @BloodOmen spoke to me about? From a quick look around it seemed cheaper to buy a cheap SSD and HDD rather than getting the hybrid?

If you're working on a budget Hybrid not as fast as an SSD but not as slow as a regular HDD + has good storage space.

 

[TdC]

you don't need an I7 so go I5. also, wise to sit behind the curve GFX card wise: I have an Nvidia 570 myself but it's not even sold any more. You can get a GTX 650 for less than 100 euros.

 

[Gwadien]

euros.

YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID I DO NOT RECOGNIsE THIS BARBARIAN CURRENCY

 

[TdC]

millstones then? cowsheads?

 

[Gwadien]

In all seriousness though, I could consider that, get a bigger Motherboard/CPU and get a lower graphics card like a 650, for now? What do people think?

 

[TdC]

I would certainly do so. My time of trying to have a cutting edge computer passed when I realized that it would practically be obsolete by the time I got the parts delivered. My formula for the past two builds, say 7+ years of computing, has been a strong middle-tier CPU and ram to fit (I have an older i7 and 12GB ram atm re programming requirement overkill). Parts I have upgraded on this build which is now pushing 3 have been two SSD's and the gfx. For the latter I went from some Nvidia 4* series to the 570. I will consider upgrading again when Nvidia releases it's 800 series I guess. Re other kit; I've had the same Dell 2407 monitor, case, PSU, mouse, etc for ages. I recently treated myself to a new keyboard because I spilled a drink in to my old one and it stopped working.

 

[Moriath]

I think that is more or less what @BloodOmen said

Where?

 

[Moriath]

In all seriousness though, I could consider that, get a bigger Motherboard/CPU and get a lower graphics card like a 650, for now? What do people think?

I would go for a 660 rather than a 650 but yup

 

[Gwadien]

Where?

In a personal conversation

It was personal god damn it! D:

 

[old.Osy]

i5 3570K if you want this box to hold on for 3 more years. The "K" means that the multiplier is unlocked, allowing you to go close to 4 Ghz on air cooling. No point in going for Haswells when the performance buff they offer is only between 10-15%. There is no app or game today that will push a 3570K above its limit. The i7 is for people who don't understand that they're not really using their CPU, they're only paying for "HAH, BIGGER IS BETTER" - which is oh so wrong.

Mobo wise, have a look at mobos with Z77 chipset, features are up to you (whether you need more than 2 Sata III ports, audio chipset, gbit lan, etc etc)

RAM wise, you need to go with a minimum of 1600 mhz speed sticks, with CL9 or less. Corsair covers this very well.

I can't believe all you mofos are recommending nvidia GPUs, while HD7950 is the best bang for the buck on the market. You could upsize to HD7970 from Sapphire, with Vapor-X cooling (trust me, you do want Vapor-X, regardless if you OC or not - it's bloody silent).

Anything else is relative and down to personal preference.

Dixit.

 

[Gwadien]

i5 3570K if you want this box to hold on for 3 more years. The "K" means that the multiplier is unlocked, allowing you to go close to 4 Ghz on air cooling. No point in going for Haswells when the performance buff they offer is only between 10-15%. There is no app or game today that will push a 3570K above its limit. The i7 is for people who don't understand that they're not really using their CPU, they're only paying for "HAH, BIGGER IS BETTER" - which is oh so wrong.

Mobo wise, have a look at mobos with Z77 chipset, features are up to you (whether you need more than 2 Sata III ports, audio chipset, gbit lan, etc etc)

RAM wise, you need to go with a minimum of 1600 mhz speed sticks, with CL9 or less. Corsair covers this very well.

I can't believe all you mofos are recommending nvidia GPUs, while HD7950 is the best bang for the buck on the market. You could upsize to HD7970 from Sapphire, with Vapor-X cooling (trust me, you do want Vapor-X, regardless if you OC or not - it's bloody silent).

Anything else is relative and down to personal preference.

Dixit.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

^

That is more or less the 'science' from what I can see behind it and the 760 sticks out like a sore thumb in terms of price.

 

[TdC]

mmmkay so on that site the cheapest card in the top 10 is the GeForce GTX 770 at $318 and the cheapest card in the top 20 is the Radeon R9 270X and the GeForce GTX 480 both at $200. the GTX770 outperforms the two lesser cards by about 2000 pieces of cheese or what ever they use to measure card performance, and costs $118 more but will suck you off and make you a sammich after*.







*effect noted only under certain conditions

 

[Scouse]

I can't believe all you mofos are recommending nvidia GPUs, while HD7950 is the best bang for the buck on the market. You could upsize to HD7970 from Sapphire, with Vapor-X cooling (trust me, you do want Vapor-X, regardless if you OC or not - it's bloody silent).

Got a HD7870 and it's grand. There's nowt to choose from between Nvidia and ATI - mainly because there's no games out there at the moment that push the hardware.

 

[Moriath]

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

^

That is more or less the 'science' from what I can see behind it and the 760 sticks out like a sore thumb in terms of price.

I got a 760. It plays everything fine at 1900 / 1200.

 

[Gwadien]

mmmkay so on that site the cheapest card in the top 10 is the GeForce GTX 770 at $318 and the cheapest card in the top 20 is the Radeon R9 270X and the GeForce GTX 480 both at $200. the GTX770 outperforms the two lesser cards by about 2000 pieces of cheese or what ever they use to measure card performance, and costs $118 more but will suck you off and make you a sammich after*.







*effect noted only under certain conditions

I'm looking at the 760, which is 5015 blocks of cheese, whilst being £200, and nothing is a great deal cheaper until you hit the Raedon 7850 which is 2000 pieces of cheese less than the 760 and is £98

To put this into context my current graphics card; 928 blocks (Nvidia 9800 gtx+)
Raedon 7850; 3,505 blocks; £100-136 (Not really looked at the different types)
760; 5015; £200 cool one with 3 fans, fans are good.

 

[old.Osy]

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

^

That is more or less the 'science' from what I can see behind it and the 760 sticks out like a sore thumb in terms of price.

Price, yes. Quiet and performance, no. You be the judge of it.

 

[BloodOmen]

Price, yes. Quiet and performance, no. You be the judge of it.

Sound is based on the quality of the cooler though, not the card itself. The Windforce one is quite quiet despite it having 3x fans on it, as long as he gets a well vented case the fans should never be that loud.

 

[Gwadien]

Looking at this for a total of £739

• Coolermaster K-350 Mid Tower with USB3 & 450W Corsair PSU
• Asus H81M-Plus, Intel H81 with USB3
• Core i5 4670, 3.4GHz Quad Core
• Corsair Vengeance 1600MHz
• EVGA GTX 760 Superclocked ACX, 28nm, PCIe 3.0 (x16), 6008MHz GDDR5, GPU 1072MHz, Boost 1137MHz, Cores 1152
• Samsung 840 EVO - 540MB/s Read, 410MB/s Write, 94K IOPS
• Seagate Barracuda, 7200rpm, 64MB Cache
• Samsung SH-224DB - 24x DVD Reader & Writer

Shout at me if there's any massive issues with that.

By the way, contradicting a previous statement, I thought it'd be better to get a prebuilt machine, since I've never built one from scratch, and I didn't think a budget one would be a good place to start, in case I cock things up.

 

[Moriath]

Looks good to me

 

[rynnor]

Buy it in January - prices spike each year in December.