Annihilation

[stafford]

does any1 else think that this style needs toning down just a touch

hibs always go on about there the magic realm blah blah we cant melee etc etc thats why we get overpowered spells

it seems you get stupidly overpowered styles too

for example in DF recently im harvesting diamonds
and somebody mezzes me i look again and realize theres 3 hibs stood there
some blue con bard
a warden
and a 50 LW user

mezzed annihilation 400 dmg and a 10 second stun 2 more im down to 10% when the stun wears off

this is with 28% crush resist
and necro abs buff stacked with mine totaling 31%
this isnt a flame or a whine (well it is a whine but its constructive to an extent)

Can all champs/heros post here the con of the mobs they can solo with 1200 dmg bfore they get to react ?

(on a small note to those hibs dont waste power strength debuffing friars its dex !)

 

[kr0n]

Shit hits if you ask me. I'd hit more...

 

[stafford]

thats the most ive ever been hit in melee i think

mid tanks dont do half that dmg and with a 9 sec stun

 

[SilverHood]

yeah... bad enuff that all hib casters get a nerfable stun... getting stunned from non shield specced classes sucks even more...

 

[tildson]

Come on.... whats wrong with you people???

 

[succi]

Zzz

 

[j000 d000d]

really

then explain this to me

http://members.lycos.co.uk/sorusi/dmg/Darkexec_L50hero_761_mainhand_.jpg

1h axe, rr8 hero

i call that more overpowered

 

[tildson]

Yeah, it should be nerfed down to the same lvl as amethyst, dragonfang and doublefrost are..

 

[lakih]

Stafford, about that str debuff.... its a str/con debuff so you loose 150-200 ish HP from it, aswell as if you are carrying alot of stuff you get rooted by encumberence.

About the damage... 400 aint that much, as you listed your crush resist i assume it was a hammer he hit you with. Friars are crush vulnerable and with a lvl 50 style you do quite alot of dmg... add the possibility that it might have been a critical hit.

Ive been hit by a friar for 250ish dmg, got 24% crush resist and scale armour (cruch resistant)... and friars are a healer hybrid. But i still like the class one of the coolest in DAoC.

 

[stafford]

3 crits in a row is doubtable seeing as most valid "tanks" buy ip first

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by stafford
Can all champs/heros post here the con of the mobs they can solo with 1200 dmg bfore they get to react ?

given that most high lvl mobs are all aggro and annihilation requires you to hit from behind (near impossible on aggro mobs).. you can't really do it much in pve.

oh and the str/con debuff reduces your con (insta dmg) and also makes you take more damage per hit (approx 20% more afaik) same as all con debuffs...

also the style is balanced by the fact it takes lots of end and hibs get the worst implementation of end regen oh, and the cap with it on a 5.4 spd 2 hand weapon is lower than what that zerker hit with a 1 hand axe in that screenshot up there did..

 

[klavrynd]

Those debuffs look like a qui and attackspeed debuff, add base low qui from trolls and a high damage backpos style. Not really a basis for comparison imho.

I couldnt care less is annihilation did shitloads of damage (which it does) and a stun is ok as well, considering its a lvl 50 style, but
the stun is too damn long.

hib, the realm of plenty...

 

[sorusi]

well i wouldnt say zerker styles are to bad, and yes a zerker out damages _any_ other meleer

http://members.lycos.co.uk/sorusi/dmg/Aragone_L50hero_1368.jpg

on RR8 hero and there is more.. (w/o debuffs etc...)

oh and annihl is kinda easy to avoid... slam is harder to avoid.. and allmost every hero got slam aswell so..

think its the only really good style hibb got

 

[sorusi]

Originally posted by SilverHood
yeah... bad enuff that all hib casters get a nerfable stun... getting stunned from non shield specced classes sucks even more...

heard of determination + resists at ~50 - 60%?.

determination 3 - 4 and you wont notice that 9sec stun casters got - while it does not work vs slam/annihl etc etc...

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by stafford
thats the most ive ever been hit in melee i think

mid tanks dont do half that dmg<snip>

Hurr hurr hurr :>

 

[Fightersuntzu]

Annihilation is nice.......but you were hit by a buffed LW user, with perhaps a very slow weapon......hey, it happens

I hit level 50s with anytimes for 500 buffed up well......<shrugs>

Besides, all the rest of LW doesnt look that great anyway

 

[cougar-]

best with annihilation is that it never miss, huge chance to hit, i almost always slam before anni anyway. And its no zerk even near soruzi on prydwen, never been hit over 400 and i hit zerks for _alot_ with my slash sword.

 

[Zerg-Proof]

Originally posted by cougar-
best with annihilation is that it never miss, huge chance to hit, i almost always slam before anni anyway. And its no zerk even near soruzi on prydwen, never been hit over 400 and i hit zerks for _alot_ with my slash sword.

Sounds kinda strange to me tbh....I often land hits for 400+ as only a skald, even on crush resistant armor types....and that's without including crits.

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by Zerg-Proof
Sounds kinda strange to me tbh....I often land hits for 400+ as only a skald, even on crush resistant armor types....and that's without including crits.

skalds lol, only one that hit close to 400 is polearmsmans or zerks.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Fightersuntzu
<snip>
Besides, all the rest of LW doesnt look that great anyway

not great?

u on crack?

so being able to be neutral to all classes isnt "that great"?


If I EVER made a hib tank, LW would be my spec, no doubt in my mind

 

[cougar-]

lw is probably best specline ingame along with l.a and alb slash.

 

[Rudor]

^^
I can post alot of 1000+ hit also but the thing is that it aint normal.. anni is normal ~500 and allways 9sec stunn..
And you are dead if you dont purge it.

 

[Cernos]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked Friars wear CLOTH armour. Yes, cloth. You know, that stuff that isn't Plate with 35% absorb.

Isn't the whole point of Friars that you are offensively strong at the expense of wearing CLOTH armour?

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

Friars wear leather

 

[sorusi]

1k dmg is normal for me when i vendo, w/o vendo ~700 - 800ish i guess..

 

[Danya]

Unbuffed hero hit my mentalist in CLOTH with 16% crush for 350 with annihilation.

BTW it's 9 seconds not 10 for the stun.

oh and the str/con debuff reduces your con (insta dmg) and also makes you take more damage per hit (approx 20% more afaik) same as all con debuffs...

Con debuff damage bonus is mobs. Con debuff hp reduce is players. You get one or the other, not both.

 

[vestax]

Bah, if your moaning about this wait till emain is full of 50 Reavers...

Levithane can do awesome damage (seen screen shots of it doing 800 damage not inc crits)

Whine ETA: 2 weeks!

 

[Cernos]

My bad on the cloth thing - too used to seeing Friars in cloth posing as casters

Still leather has only 10% absorb and Alb leather vulnerable to crush, so it's about as effective as cloth and the point still stands.

400 damage is not high at all. Warriors have hit me for more with an anytime style. And as for Zerkers ... let's not go there.

 

[Aeternus]

I sneak up behind aggro mobs all the time and pull of my mega annihilation style with my mega realm rank 6 hammer, until i run out of end and then cheerish in victory while resting for 30sec to fill my end bar.

One day ill do the same on a blue con mob without running out of end... one day...

 

[Fightersuntzu]

Originally posted by Arnor2
not great?

u on crack?

so being able to be neutral to all classes isnt "that great"?


If I EVER made a hib tank, LW would be my spec, no doubt in my mind

<-not on crack

Im a thrust polearmsmen, im supposedly neutral to all of hibernia's armor types, and still manage to get pretty good resists on my swings.....so it cant be that great . The 2 damage types is pretty nice, but if you look at the styles most of them seem pretty worthless compared to Annihilation - the only anytime is lowattack, medium damage and high endurance, the rest of the styles are positional or require a target parry, etc

And friars have leather armor plus a 15% abs buff in enh line, which means they have at least equal to chain armor, not counting evade and parry the 400 damage is around what i'd expect when i get hit with it(usually 300/400)...but then again defenders rage can do much more >