All the whinning ... about RvR (my 2 cents)

[Legeria]

Guys can we stop the whinning for once plz?
Zerg this zerg that ... there is a simple cause that so many albs are rvring...

Characters on Excalibur:
Alb 27,696 (42%)
Hib 17,067 (26%)
Mid 21,319 (32%)

As you can see there are 10.000 more players on Albion compared to Hibernia, and 6.000 more compared to Midgard.
And since lots of lvl 50 chars want to get RvR fun, Its obvious that there will be more albion players in the RvR zones. And if there where a lot more Hibs or mids on Excalibur server then they would also "zerg" the zones much more.

I think the main "problem" with rvr on excalibur is that there is no cap on the realms players. If mythic would decide that for instance every realm have a max of 15.000 players per realm, things would be much more balanced and there would be a more equal occupation of the RvR zones. You can not blaim players for wanting to get Realmpoints.

To be able to hav fun, the only option is for the lower populated realms to get more organised and go out with bigger groups.

This whole zerg crap is so stoopid. Lets just say that this was a real life conflict. Would armies of different countries fight indivdualy and not team up cuz its not fair for the enemy? Hell no ... The main problem about this is that peeps are RP horny instead of playing massive multiplayer and having fun with one another. Sure its cool to go with 1fg and while out 2 fg and then die and run back. But its even more fun in my oppinion to have large scale battles between the realm that last longer then 1 minute.

And as im playing my ranger Mamabear alot I can say that sometimes I also get frustrated getting owned by 2 fg while im playing solo or with a small group of friends. But supporting large battle groups is alot of fun too... to bad that you get called a leecher of RP if ya try to help fellow realm players...


Flame me all ya want about this post , but its just my 2 cents and I needed to get it off my chest!

Happy gaming peeps

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by Legeria
Guys can we stop the whinning for once plz?

an then u whine?

've nice day

 

[Legeria]

Im not whining mate ... think you need to read the post before you make a reply

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Legeria
And as im playing my ranger Mamabear alot I also get frustrated while im playing solo

that's a good one

 

[Belomar]

Hi der, Mamabear! Solo or "small group of friends" you say?

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by Legeria
Im not whining mate ... think you need to read the post before you make a reply

i read the wole post

that wher comes from my answer...


and btw

less hib stealther in odin... or more spreed in the area... will help alot


ty

 

[Legeria]

please do not try and make this post about me.... that was not my intention of the post, I just wanted to state the current problems with excalibur rvr ... as I see them...

 

[benedictines]

Originally posted by Legeria

I think the main "problem" with rvr on excalibur is that there is no cap on the realms players. If mythic would decide that for instance every realm have a max of 15.000 players per realm, things would be much more balanced and there would be a more equal occupation of the RvR zones. You can not blaim players for wanting to get Realmpoints.

True - but then they would have to balance the classes ;-)

 

[marczje]

Lol.. bearfamily never camps hmg in odin's, thats right

 

[marczje]

Ah, on a sidenote, it's never with 5/6..



is it?

 

[Event]

Legeria makes some valid pts imho so theres no point in flaming him or the post just to be a forum ho.

 

[Kicks]

Originally posted by Legeria
Guys can we stop the whinning for once plz?
Zerg this zerg that ... there is a simple cause that so many albs are rvring...

Characters on Excalibur:
Alb 27,696 (42%)
Hib 17,067 (26%)
Mid 21,319 (32%)

inc standard alb know it all reply:

'that means shit half of alb play mid pryd so thats bullshit numbers albs actually only have 3,000 active charaters so give us luv'

imo give hib /level 30 and even it up a bit, or even better remove /level 20 from mid and alb

I would love to see realm numbers balanced but I can't see it happening until Hib gets some serious love and some fotm classes.

oh and give less alb stealthers in emain.... or more spread in the area.... will help alot

 

[Dorin]

Originally posted by Legeria

to bad that you get called a leecher of RP if ya try to help fellow realm players...

so true, i hate those ppl tbh ^^ they should go and play de_dust 5vs5 for eternity. but mainly you get those msgs if the d00ds are wining the battle... not always tho.

 

[samildanachh]

those statistics are thoroughly floured.
maybe there are more alb players but renember there is prolly a lesser proportion of them at lvl50 than mids and hibs. Also the necro zergs on alb never go rvr so u can take away a huge amount of them from the equasion, oh and the cabbys.

 

[xplo]

If you kill Mamabear in front of htk odins, you get a free bonus Buffbear kill xD

 

[Bilf]

Statistics can be very misleading.
I think the stats that are more relevent are:

Level 50's

Albs
2,094 (38%)

Hibs
1,387 (25%)

Mids
2,066 (37%)


Even those figures don't mean an awful lot. Hibs could have another 1000 lvl 40-49's who go rvring (unlikely I know), half of those lvl 50 mids might be hardcore crafters, 500 of those lvl 50 albs might be Necro PL bots.

All stats have to be taken with a pinch of salt, I'm afraid that your (and many other's) frustration with the way RvR is at the moment is just the way of the game in it's present state.

 

[Gordonax]

Legeria does have a point, especially from a Hib perspective. We're lucky on Excal that Hib has an active RvR community, despite its numbers. On other servers, that isn't the case - and Hib tends to be the realm with the lowest population on every server, I believe.
Also, there's the attitude of some players, that, unless it's 1fg Vs 1fg, it's somehow shit RvR. What matters isn't the number, it's that there are roughly equal numbers. I've been in zerg Vs zerg fights that have been brilliant. 2fg Vs 2fg lets you use different tactics, and also lets you experiment with different group set ups. But that matters is that you're not faced with 5fg vs 1fg - that's when it becomes tedious and frustrating. I don't know an easy way that you could balance numbers in RvR zones, but I think that ultimately that's what's needed. Maybe portal keeps should only allow the same number of enemies into a zone as their are "native" characters - so if there are a total of 8fg Hibs in their RvR zone, only 8fg of Albs and 8fg of Mids could port there.
I also think more better and more varied RvR areas would be a help, with more goals that lead to RPs than just killing others. If you got RPs for taking a keep, for example, we'd see more keep takes - and keep takes are battles where the "standard" 1fg often isn't the best line up, thus leading to more and different classes actually being able to play viable RvR.
So for me, a lot hinges on the RvR expansion that Mythic is planning. I'm also hopefull that 1.65 will encourage more relic raids and keep takes, as it stops people logging into a keep that's under attack.

 

[Divinia]

Originally posted by Legeria
Guys can we stop the whinning for once plz?
Zerg this zerg that ... there is a simple cause that so many albs are rvring...

Characters on Excalibur:
Alb 27,696 (42%)
Hib 17,067 (26%)
Mid 21,319 (32%)

As you can see there are 10.000 more players on Albion compared to Hibernia, and 6.000 more compared to Midgard.
And since lots of lvl 50 chars want to get RvR fun, Its obvious that there will be more albion players in the RvR zones. And if there where a lot more Hibs or mids on Excalibur server then they would also "zerg" the zones much more.

"Characters on Exc.." not players, if those numbers would be players u would have a average of 10-30k on excal primetime? ><

read text before u analyse it next time?

 

[Vidfamne]

blä

And there are many ppl whit more then 1 lev on there account.

so the can only bring 1 too rvr.
so i have 2 lev 50 atm but only 1 can be in rvr when i play.

if u understand what i am saying u will understand me cuz i have a major hangover and not so good at explaingin now.

 

[Tualatin]

You wanna give hibernia even more love?..

Look @ realm status, hibernia got most relics (3).. hibernia has most rp/players.

The problem isn't hibernia being week and all, the problem is that players choose Albion as their first realm (whenever they purchased it). The names of albion classes sound more familiar then hibernia.

Albion may have most chars, but Albion is due to the fact mentioned above also the realm with most noobs (no offence to anyone). And the lvl 50 population isn't really high, neither is the active lvl50 population, not to mention that most players dislike RvR here in albion, becoz of Zerg-or-be-killed-policy.

Another problem can be necro's. They take ALL xp-spots (for complete groups), just to farm money or PL an alt. means 8 people can't be there getting xp. Those peeps log on their main, and go emain for some rp.

Last problem simply is, that only Albion runs random fg's. Never seen a hib or mid random fg, only guildgroups. For those grps, the random alb grp is free rp. What happends? That alb grp joins the zerg, or makes one with other defeated grps. Thus making the zerg (bigger).


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limit of players on a server? -> They pay same money as you do, as everyone does. So why can't choose freely?

limit of players in a zone? -> How about relic raids or large keep raid?

 

[schinkaar]

so much text can some1 sum it up in 2-3 lines?

 

[kirennia]

nerf savages.....there, summed up in 2 words

 

[vintervargen]

Re: Re: All the whinning ... about RvR (my 2 cents)

Originally posted by Dorin
so true, i hate those ppl tbh ^^ they should go and play de_dust 5vs5 for eternity. but mainly you get those msgs if the d00ds are wining the battle... not always tho.

if im winning a fight, and suddenly someone shoot my opponent so he dies, is that 'helping'? imho, that is very much more like 'leeching'.

 

[Freppe^^]

hmmmmmm oooooooke

 

[Rollie]

nerf healers, 40k of instas on one class is too much imho.

 

[deerstalker]

Re: Re: Re: All the whinning ... about RvR (my 2 cents)

Originally posted by vintervargen
if im winning a fight, and suddenly someone shoot my opponent so he dies, is that 'helping'? imho, that is very much more like 'leeching'.

IMO

If your one on one in HW and your wining then yes possibly it's leeching.

if your in the middle of a 3fg vs 3fg vs 3fg zerg fight outside amg then no it's not. get the enemy down as fast as possible get on to the next one.

I'll leave fellow albs who are winning one vs one alone, if your loosing I'll start shooting, if it's in the middle of a huge fight and there is a caster waving his arms around he's going to get a face full of rapid fire , Same goes for anything that starts to run away. RF up his ass

oh and a note to NP. Sending 3 huge ass trolls to smack me gives me a warm feeling inside.. I'm makeing you take note of me

DS

 

[ormagaa]

Originally posted by Tualatin
You wanna give hibernia even more love?..

Look @ realm status, hibernia got most relics (3).. hibernia has most rp/players.

The problem isn't hibernia being week and all, the problem is that players choose Albion as their first realm (whenever they purchased it). The names of albion classes sound more familiar then hibernia.

Albion may have most chars, but Albion is due to the fact mentioned above also the realm with most noobs (no offence to anyone). And the lvl 50 population isn't really high, neither is the active lvl50 population, not to mention that most players dislike RvR here in albion, becoz of Zerg-or-be-killed-policy.

Another problem can be necro's. They take ALL xp-spots (for complete groups), just to farm money or PL an alt. means 8 people can't be there getting xp. Those peeps log on their main, and go emain for some rp.

Last problem simply is, that only Albion runs random fg's. Never seen a hib or mid random fg, only guildgroups. For those grps, the random alb grp is free rp. What happends? That alb grp joins the zerg, or makes one with other defeated grps. Thus making the zerg (bigger).


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limit of players on a server? -> They pay same money as you do, as everyone does. So why can't choose freely?

limit of players in a zone? -> How about relic raids or large keep raid?

That really completes it all.
Good post mate.

As said again, what albion needs now, are some people to lead the way, and inspire the population to do the same.

Hardcore 24/7 gamers, with a perfect group, going as fg.
This will inspire many people not to do groups like
8*(randomalb)^4 groups.

 

[brommix]

No matter how many dedicated, experienced and excellent leaders came to Albion, they could still never make as efficient groups as the Middie realm can at this time. The leaders recquired to do this would need to be better smarter and play more, simply due to the fact that its harder to make perfect groups, Because :
1. More classes to play, hence ALOT bigger chance that after the first 10 groups made, the next 20 ones become more randomized.
2 Not only more classes, also the recquired skills needed for having a group with speed, heals, damage output, CC and regens recquires more classes than the other 2 realms.

Offcourse these things could be overcome IF the alb leaders were smarter, played more hours and were better organized than their hib, and especially mid opponents, but alas!! we are not!. I believe we pretty much match each other, realm by realm, in leadership capabilities, in experienced rvr foot soldiers and in noob brehon, skildvakten and warden zergers.
I have no doubt that those from the premier guilds in both Midgaard and Hibernia have alot of good players....jeez i can feel it when i get wasted in 0,3 secs....But when these same players at times suggest they know the secret to why albs dont do quite as well as the Savage groups of midgaard, well...!! all i can do is cry in despair, The only way that is possible is for the albs to be better players, faster on the keyboard and work with superior tactics....OR at times zerg the living daylights of ya!

 

[ormagaa]

Originally posted by brommix
No matter how many dedicated, experienced and excellent leaders came to Albion, they could still never make as efficient groups as the Middie realm can at this time. The leaders recquired to do this would need to be better smarter and play more, simply due to the fact that its harder to make perfect groups, Because :
1. More classes to play, hence ALOT bigger chance that after the first 10 groups made, the next 20 ones become more randomized.
2 Not only more classes, also the recquired skills needed for having a group with speed, heals, damage output, CC and regens recquires more classes than the other 2 realms.

Mids have an adtvantage in this game atm, you are right about that, BUT, you are not as far behind as you think.

"The leaders recquired to do this would need to be better smarter".
Dont agree, I know there are several really skilled people in albion that can put together a really good group.
A group where speccs and tactics are set from the start, so you get the most out of the group.
Play with same players every day.
Use voicecommunication.
All be atleast rr5+

dont you still think you have any chance at all vs these fotm groupsetups?

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by brommix
No matter how many dedicated, experienced and excellent leaders came to Albion, they could still never make as efficient groups as the Middie realm can at this time. The leaders recquired to do this would need to be better smarter and play more, simply due to the fact that its harder to make perfect groups, Because :
1. More classes to play, hence ALOT bigger chance that after the first 10 groups made, the next 20 ones become more randomized.
2 Not only more classes, also the recquired skills needed for having a group with speed, heals, damage output, CC and regens recquires more classes than the other 2 realms.

Offcourse these things could be overcome IF the alb leaders were smarter, played more hours and were better organized than their hib, and especially mid opponents, but alas!! we are not!. I believe we pretty much match each other, realm by realm, in leadership capabilities, in experienced rvr foot soldiers and in noob brehon, skildvakten and warden zergers.
I have no doubt that those from the premier guilds in both Midgaard and Hibernia have alot of good players....jeez i can feel it when i get wasted in 0,3 secs....But when these same players at times suggest they know the secret to why albs dont do quite as well as the Savage groups of midgaard, well...!! all i can do is cry in despair, The only way that is possible is for the albs to be better players, faster on the keyboard and work with superior tactics....OR at times zerg the living daylights of ya!

you poor albies r no worse than hibs in the current game state, we manage cos we have to, theres like loads of mana elds and bm's and nature druids popping 50 every day, albs need to get there arses in gear and roll more mercs. clerics and decent sorcs, the only decent regular grp running in alb currently is FC, BF seem to have gone quiet and GoL well... the top 2 rp holders are the biggest zergers in the game and play useless classes