All non lvl 50 players can STFU and go away...

[VidX]

Originally posted by nobrot


Heh, now why not rephrase that to..

Why not arrange a place for me to come and meet you so I can "GANK THE HELL OUTA YOUR NO-GOOD MIDDIE ASS" and then post the fact that you were dumb enough to fall for it..

ummm, noo thanx

Unless... I could find a group to bring with me ?

Actually, no

If I am in the mood for helping someone XP, I will. If they are pulling a mob, and are on their own, I have stopped killing them, and infact help by stunning the mob.

I only think ALbs should be given XP deaths, as they like doing it so much to others. Mids I have seen tend to let people finish with the mob, rest a bit, and then, if they are grey con, leave them alone.

Of course, there are some VERY nice Albs out there, who understand it is a game, and XP deaths are not fun (you know who you are, /wave from Alf, Sortia and Darimud).

I have started to spend alot of time in Yggdra and Uppland hoping to see some grey-con in trouble with a mob so I can rescue them , and make them think Hibs are nice and want to delete their character and come to Hibs, but there is a severe shortage of grey cons in the middie frontier

Just wait 'til Jexa is back and I can go there hoping to catch a glimpse of this goddess you lot are talking about

 

[case-rigantis]

have been to yddgra loads saved loads of poor greybies from exp deaths then been ganked by their 8 level 50 mates oh well..

only reason i go there is to avoid the zerg in emain..

"middies on way from PK ..wait wait wait...CHARGE!!!"
zerg zerg zerg zerg

"feck half the force have run back to MMG without saying..here come the mids!"
zerg zerg zerg zerg

""middies on way from PK ..wait wait wait...CHARGE!!!"
zerg zerg zerg zerg

"feck half the force have run back to MMG without saying..here come the mids!"
zerg zerg zerg zerg
"middies on way from PK ..wait wait wait...CHARGE!!!"
zerg zerg zerg zerg

"feck half the force have run back to MMG without saying..here come the mids!"
zerg zerg zerg zerg

""middies on way from PK ..wait wait wait...CHARGE!!!"
zerg zerg zerg zerg

"feck half the force have run back to MMG without saying..here come the mids!"
zerg zerg zerg zerg

"SHITE!!! the middies outnumber us now! "
zerg zerg zerg zerg

"oh well wipeout all albs dead "

 

[old.windforce]

emain is no fun.

case gives a very nice description.

 

[nobrot]

Originally posted by Ottar
> there are high level players out there that do ignore requests for
> help, or groups... not much I can do about it... except level to
> 50 and attempt to respond to requests from lower level players,

lvl 40 lfg.. that lvl 40 part there more likely than not is less of an issue you seem to believe it is.

Repeated announements in main chat that you are lfg, commonly translate into something like "for some reason or another, nobody who knows me wants to group with me no more and I am really really desperate". Now, that translation may well be as far from truth as Pravda, but recieving such a message, people get a bit suspicious.. People much prefer to group with people they know. Thats the way people are. I think I see how such behaviour could evolutionally be selected for so you can't really blame them as it's all in them damn genes!

Anyhow. I reckommend you accept that asking for a group in main chat simply does not work well. It being so, try other tactics. Look for players you have fought alongside before that happen to be in the same zone. Then send private tells. No 100% success guaranteed but Im quite certain it works much better than lfg's in main chat.

Makes sense? Then again, I might be covering up a global concpiracy of lv 50 bastards here..

Ottar

I am in agreement somewhat Ottar, spamming LFG will generaly get you ignored, but consider this situation.. The call goes out on alliance chat, 2001 Albs zerging mmgE and so all us patriotic middies port into emain ready to chase away those nasty albs... I want a slice of this pie, but the whole RvR thing is new to me, and I am pretty certain that most of the invaders are going to con red.. there are about20 other mids in the PK as well, so three or four of us /s <class/lvl> LFG... now I can accept any number of rejections...
>Soz m8, grp is full
>Soz m8, last spot reserved
>Soz m8, I grouped with you last week and you are a total twat and got us all killed
>Soz m8, your name is just too frikking stupide for me and my sensible party

But I dont accept
>sozM8ey, never grouped with you before so I have no idea who you are or how you will play (Invite me for ffs and find out!)
>sozm8ey you are too low, go and get some exping done untill you are a well hard level 50 like the rest of in this uber group
><ignore>

I know its not mine or any other players god-given right to be invited into an RvR group just because they have slots, it is of course up to the groups.. but my point is, we are a realm and all in the same fight, and my lowbie SB will operate much better within the protection of a group, and will, more importantly learn from those more experienced than I...

It aint hard.. invite us lowbies, teach us the RvR tactics (zergarama) and gain our respect,

Originally posted by ivan_tribbiani
1) some level 50 get the "I'm superior" desease to all the rest non 50, so it gives them a right to be patronising freaks It shouldnt be like this. Simple day-to-day example, today me and you are equal in earnings and social standing, tomorrow you start earning more, does that make you superior and i dont mean monetary values but simple humane standing ???

2) its corect PvE and RvR knowledge have no relation at all but one ---> you get to learn the way your class operates in combat better. <eg compare the performances [and how long it took them to learn]who bought an account from high level, with that of their old owners>

3) Its sickening to think that some people still treat RvR like a competition, its a common goal we are trying to achieve here really, or it was intended that way by the programmers. "be thankfull you are allowed to leech RP" ---> really better to say nothing than throw this phrase in. Funny but at some point when i was a Mid i got into a group with superior levels and guess what i earned more RP than anyone else, so much for leeching.

4) All im sayinhg is that people should group with who they like to group with not be biased with that level gap. We are bloody equal, or are we ?


These are just to underline that for the majority of people, no matter what they say DaoC is not a game, i simply refuse to believe it due to what they post here. But considering the level of dedication from some of those same people i say its justified, just dont let it become a chore just like PvE has already become for many.

Thanks Ivan nicely put, I will invite you into my group anytime.. heh

And Vidx, thanks for the offer m8, but I am a Malmo inmate now so will be using this fine hunting ground to lvl 50, perhaps we can meet under more hostile circumstances... I will be easy to find, just look out for the billy-no-m8's lone SB wandering around emain yelling "Something in a language you dont understand that translates to "Cumon you elitist miserable bastards.. somebody pleeeez invite me, pleeeeez" he he

 

[nobrot]

Ummm thread closed???

 

[VidX]

NAh, too much of a fun thread to close, and has ALOT of valid points, like tha fact Albion argues if someone says the grass is brown. Well, in Albion it is

 

[Danya]

Our grass is RED! RED WITH ELF BLOOD!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!111

Now, where's my damn pills?!

 

[Ozwaldo]

Originally posted by vidx
like tha fact Albion argues if someone says the grass is brown.

I thought grass was purple

 

[wyleia]

If groups Im in have the space and its not a guild or alliance only group, we always add people. The more people in the group the more people you can do damage to and kill (and the more scarey we look when we charge). But if the person is too low, it can cause unncessary aggro onto the group when trying to move around which gets annoying since the person leading is usually a higher level and runs through grey cons to him/her... Of course classes that can benefit a group are always welcome (speedsters, healers, stealthers).

When you start to look at other classes, you have to consider your damge. Yes a non-50 can have lots of rps, but do rps show how good you are or how much time you are actually out there (as stated before). And you have to consider if the person joining your group will help your group. Had a level 40 pally in my group in emain the other day, he was always tasting dirt.. At least i know when I have done all the cc I can (if im still alive at this point I start f8ing through targets to pick out easy ones quickly I can 2-3 shot to death with my wussy nukes so Im sure other 'weak' nukers do that as well

I think its great to see people out and rvring before they are in their high 40s, you get a good feel for RvRing, but you DO help your group out better if you are higher level because you can deal better dmg to the other higher levels out in the frontier. If you choose not to level up more, well then that is your choice, but others also can choose not to group with such low levels. It doesnt say anything about htinking u are inexperienced (you could be an alt of a 50 ffs) its just the damage you will do....

Join a guild, thats who i grouped with before I was effective in RvR.. they always took pity on me and dragged me around (lvl 24 sorc out there, did 3 dmg to a purple tho with my uber level 24 nuke!). Although after two experiences like that I knew I had to be a higher level lol. I didnt even consider myself effective at RvR until I hit 48 (when my aemezzes actually started to work on more than 20% of the crowd i was mezzing).

But let me tell ya, the satisfaction of never seeing anything higher than yellow is reward enough for reaching 50

Course I still want to see you low 40s out there, i need ppl i can actually kill solo, so bring on the blues and greens *grins sillily*.

But like with xp groups, its not automatic that you get grouped, and dont get offended if people dont even respond to your LFG yell since many are busy with group/guild/alliance chats as well and not really paying attention to LFG people.

Wyleia Mythweaver
50th Sorc of The 30
http://www.the30.co.uk

 

[nobrot]

Thanks for an inteligent post Wyleia, all your points are valid, and kinda puts it all into perspective.

I am now commited to leveling as it is obvious that I need to be higher to get the most out of the frontiers, but I will still take the odd <50 trip to releive the Malmo boredom, and will still be LFG, so take pity on poor old Nobby and invite him into your uber groups, if not for the novelty factor

 

[minstrel_kyra]

Wow nobrot, that is a shame you feel that way.

unless it is a relic raid, if i have room and i'm not saving it for someone, i will invite someone. That said, i do usually have a prerequesite for who i invite into my groups:
guildies
alliance members
friends
strangers

the reason for this is simple, i would really rather hunt or fight with people i know. not trying to be a snob, and you will notice no where do i say no infs or scouts. obviously i try to get a cleric first, but other than that i am happy to have any class into my group, as do many people i know to. i did put guildies and alliancemates first, but that's because these are people i group with on a regular basis and we know what to expect out of each other.

i do know that infs and scouts have a hard time getting groups, and while some of the people might be biased against your class, many more may not be aware of what you have to offer the group. personally i think an inf in a rvr group is essential (esp since my stealth is useless now )

i too do think that saying level _____ lfg is ok, i mean how do they know if you are in a group? don't spam it, but if you don't get a response start to pm the people on the pad. or better yet, bring a couple of your friends with you, start a group and announce you have some spots open in your group.

whining and complaing in this game is not looked upon nicely (i for one learned my lesson) and the best thing to do is this: don't depend on others, make it happen for you.

i wish you best of luck out there. Was going to say come find me for a group but you are a middie so I guess that's not gonna happen.

(hey I haven't had my coffee yet!!)

 

[nobrot]

Kyra, also my sentiments, the message is we all have different ways of playing. It's been a productive thread for me, it seems it can be summarised, and then perhaps we can close the thread once and for all....

Most of us would agree that it is a personal choice if we decide to invite a player into our exp or RvR group, those choices are made on a personal level, and I respect most of them, its warming to note the positive responces from you lvl 50 players, and my view is now a little clearer.

The simple fact is that we ARE in the same fight, and it seems that some high level players are unwilling to take the approach that all those of your realm are allies, and friends (especialy when you enter the frontiers), inviting lowbies is OK, they arent RP leeches, they are realm mates, and they need some help..., and more to the point they need to learn, to become effective at RvR, to see how it works in the frontiers (and have some fun), so when they do come back at lvl 50, they are that much better prepared to be effective.. and that is good for Midgard...

Fortunately these elitist high levels seem to be few and far between, and if we are lucky they will piss off back to Q3 or HL or any other deathmatch FPS, because that kinda attitude doesnt fit with DAoC (except perhaps on the PvP servers). I am glad to say that the majority of high level players seem to have a good positive attitude, and this thread has shed some light on why I may be ignored when yelling for a group, it wont stop me, I will still /y xx SB LFG when I port into the frontiers.... because in my opinion, its ok to do so... its helpfull for thos that are not grouped to let everyone know...

I guess I was a bit miffed that for several nights in a row I wanted to get involved with some RvR and couldnt get a group, too high for BG and too low for solo RvR in emain makes being a group member essential to survival... from now on for my sub 50 RvR experiences I will risk the drinkers and shredders and head over too the enemy side of DF... dont need a group, and I am much more likely to meet yellow con oponents.. dont worry, grey-cons will be safe, mostly, and I will not cause deliberate exp deaths, but thats another thread

 

[old.Rhonvan]

Nobrot People who dont invite because of your lvl are Muppets and grouping with muppets is never good.

 

[hrodelbert]

To maintain a level of perfection Hrod's UBER groups (registered trademark) are carefully hand picked by myself. as the proprietor of Hrod's uber groups I carefully hand pick my teams according to my various templates. Unfortunately many people who ask have to miss out.
Yells of LFG are useful i suppose as they get to the point but i think a /send is much nicer. If you don't get picked don't be upset it's just to maintain my UBER group title i have to be strict. As a rule i group 50's as they are the RvR effective (generally- not as a rule) although many blue cons and the occasional green make it... sometimes the template is more important than the level.
Anyway i've had my say (although i'm not sure i said much) Looking forward to seeing you all soon in emain.

 

[Artemls]

First thing I get if I port to Emain is Hrod sending "Please can I group with you? I'm so lonelly"

Artemis

 

[hrodelbert]

Every UBER group should have a top class infiltrator. You fit that catorgory very well mate

 

[old.Plebo]

The pre-requisite to getting to level50 is purely time spent playing. If you spend all day online, then its inevitable you'll hook up with the other people that spend all day online. The end result is a lvl50 character.

If you level50 people have so much skill and ability then you really should invite level 40+ characters into your group and teach them what there is to know. Rather than running around in elite little groups in which you are all legends in your own minds.

Lots of level50 are really nice and i've grouped plenty of time with them before at level43. But some of the comments on this thread make pretty depressing reading.

 

[old.Rhonvan]

*declares Hrodelbert the king of the Muppets*

Now I know why I never grouped with Hrodelbert.

I wasnt good enough, OMG What shall I do? where shall I go?How shall I live? ( insert sarcasm randomly)

 

[hrodelbert]

Originally posted by old.Rhonvan
*declares Hrodelbert the king of the Muppets*

Now I know why I never grouped with Hrodelbert.

I wasnt good enough, OMG What shall I do? where shall I go?How shall I live? ( insert sarcasm randomly)

I'm a king \o/
I love you too Rhonvan and thanks i now know why i have never grouped with you.
The post was just a bit of fun sorry you had to make something sinister out from it.

I would also like to make the point that the UBER group isn't about me it's about the people in it... Some Albs who can think independantly , are great players and do not always follow the mindless zerg.... to be honest i usually let the side down

 

[Ozwaldo]

Hrodelbert the Muppet

Ive seen a Real Life picture of you and yes Definately Animal the drummer from the Muppets is your double.

 

[hrodelbert]

and i've seen yours... Miss Piggy I'd say

 

[Ozwaldo]

Isos = Cousin It oh he's not a muppet

 

[old.Patrick-S]

lol i reckon what started out wrong in this thread was alot of unnecessary name calling know how you feel nobrot though since ive been rvring (non bgs , level 39, not alot but got to rr2 i think lol) ive found getting groups rvr tough... even now im 50.. and honestly imho.. its cos people dont see messages, have people inc, are all full or not paying attention.. at least thats what im assuming cos i ask for a group once or twice get a cg invte... ask if anyone happens to have space for me and i get a few people saying they have a space... and to do with the levels... thing is (might just be my imagination ) but i swear people get stuck in a mind set ... as in stick within a few lvls to group with.. like at 49 when im xping not desperate to have a 40 tank in my group... so when its rvr u still have those reactions ( because people dont think myuch of shades pve ppl seem to think shade = scouter with no other abilities.. hmm?) ... also some ppl (well i did) expect people to have put ALOT more thought into it than i think they actually do lol... for instance i remember being v offended as i got no invite or cg invite and was just ignored... looking back i reckon they just didnt see or summin and it was just my mistake ... stick at it tho hope to have some fun in emain with u... ill be the face down luri at amg most likely

(btw sorry if it doesnt make much sense im half asleep ill edit later )

 

[minstrel_kyra]

OMG I found this on the net earlier and just had to show it!!

Because of its language I will not post the acutal picture but give you a link so you can choose to look or not.


Damn funny stuff!

http://www.sixfingeredman.net/graphics/humor/nice_cup_of_stfu.jpg.shtml

 

[bishibosh]

the main reason that people will try to make a lvl 50 only group is pretty obvious. look around, click on a random enemy, almost all are 50 (but us albs have many 30-45s however). if u are under 45 especially which makes all enemys red or purple depending on level, it is extremely difficult to cause noticable damage and you will also be picked out as a blue/green/grey by casters and assassins all the time. no matter how good u think u may be getting in the 40s , the sad truth is that fighter classes realy arent ideal for groups until 50, or at least 46 for yellow con. before u all flame me think to urself if u were in odins at 40 or whatever and you see a 50 they will almost certainly kill you very easily. Im not saying they're useless all characters above 35ish are useful for support damage to enemies (some classes like the speeders are useful from about 10) . If im making a group (which i rarely do) i will invite anyone who will be of use to the group in any way however if we have the space, or even if they arent, just for more people in the group to talk to . Also unless your 50 no one will pay the slightest bit of attention to what you say..... actually its the same at 50 anyway in alb. You may also get ignored as normally several people are lfg at once, normally a few 50s
with the amount of buffbots around now however if u dont have one ur basicly screwed even if you are 50

 

[naetha]

How many people here have been chucked out of a Hrodelbert group because you're not a member of the Borg? (Lords of England to those who have not yet been assimilated)
Thats why people get annyed by you
By the way, do you drive a BMW Hrodelbert??
...just wondering thats all....

 

[old.Patrick-S]

yea people put to much into it being because your not 50 yet.. when earlier i was asking for cg invite repeatidly with /y and /send to the cg leader with no replys... no idea why it happened (im assuming every1s busy) but wasnt because of my level unless someone suddenly didnt want lvl 50s in there cg

 

[Ozwaldo]

Originally posted by naetha
By the way, do you drive a BMW Hrodelbert??
...just wondering thats all....

The place Hrodelbert is from they all drive Ford Capri's with a Mi Julie sticker on the passenger window

 

[gobbles]

I would have thought that most folk dont group invite peeps spamming "LFG" because they dont want to take the risk of adding an unknown person who may be a complete hinderance to the group, regardless of class / level ?.

In saying that, It would be courteous to at least say "group full" etc.. however there is a large population of people in-game who simply wont take no for an answer or insult anyone who doesnt fill all 8 spots for whatever reason they may have..

So thats why i think think a lot of people get blanked when LFG, I think 95% of the time its not personal..

..

 

[hrodelbert]

Originally posted by Ozwaldo


The place Hrodelbert is from they all drive Ford Capri's with a Mi Julie sticker on the passenger window

The place Oz comes from all cars are on bricks