Albion groupsetup FOTM ??!?!1!?

[Asha]

I'm perfectly entitled to QQ because my class has had a pathetic RA since day one. Your class has had arguable one of the most overpowered RAs ever.

don't go there...

 

[Belomar]

RAs do not maketh the class Nor does one aspect of a character, otherwise could say cabalists had arguably the best focus sheild in the game, which of course has VERY little relavance to the balance of the class.

Yes, but good RAs have a huge impact on RvR, whereas the focus shield has zero use in the frontiers. Besides, both SMs and enchanters have an equivalent focus shield to Cabalists, so nothing unique there.

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

Feck off everyone knows Friar Gank grps are the future!!!

ROLL YOUR FRIARS NOW!!!!

1. Friar
2. Friar 44 Staff for stun chain
3. Friar 44 Staff " "
4. Friar GRP HoT
5. Friar
6. Friar
7. Minstrel
8. Cleric

ultimate!! only the Mincer can be buff sheared!! and any spec buffs taken from Friars given by cleric will make little difference!!

roll a friar u know it makes sense!!

 

[kirennia]

Feck off everyone knows Friar Gank grps are the future!!!

ROLL YOUR FRIARS NOW!!!!

1. Friar
2. Friar 44 Staff for stun chain
3. Friar 44 Staff " "
4. Friar GRP HoT
5. Friar
6. Friar
7. Minstrel
8. Cleric

ultimate!! only the Mincer can be buff sheared!! and any spec buffs taken from Friars given by cleric will make little difference!!

roll a friar u know it makes sense!!

3 words......mezz, pbt and sheilds

 

[Konah]

...though I would still probably take the merc instead of the non-det reaver in the tank group until frontiers.

2 mercs isnt enough vs decent grps anymore, 1 gets grappled uke: and u wont kill shit vs good healers/6s pbt

 

[stubbyrulz]

3 words......mezz, pbt and sheilds

why will pbt make much difference against friars they hit really fast

 

[Fedaykin]

Ghettorezz, Endchant, afchant, healchant, instainterrupt > det5

maybe not pretoa, but definatley after.

our arms is rr10 so that kind of helps

however when calamore cant play i'm sure i can entice maramar to join for a run so we can test arms vs paladin

hes gone 50 shield, mob4, soldiers barricade and ofc det5

determination is a REAL bonus in a caster group. If we lose a mezz then we are screwed (unless SOS or purge is up) A det 5 tank will shrug off any instas and can switch bodyguard/guard to maybe keep a caster alive (made even easier with bof)

his higher WS will give him a small bonus to landing slams however this is pretty negligable -

We want calamore guarding the box, using slam and grapple and constantly free to keep our fragile casters alive (8 second pbt from theurgist also helps more than people think with regards to the fragility issue)

The paladin insta interrupt is pretty useless with these insanse cast speeds - once every 30 secs is limited in use and definately not the main reason for taking an paladin

Granted the endurance chant is a big bonus to take a paladin however endurance pots help me in this area and i always keep my inventory full.

Ghetto rezz is pretty useless - if a paladin needs to rezz then the battle is almost certainly lost

however the main reason we took him over a paladin is he is our friend and we all have fun playing, and thats more important in the end :wub:

 

[kirennia]

why will pbt make much difference against friars they hit really fast

single weapon as about 2.5spd will only hit one in two hits. Then factor in a guard as well as the fact they're mezzed for longer then main tanks with only 1 demezzer in grp to demezz the other 7 people including themselves.

 

[Asha]

I was talking after frontiers - det fixed hopefully
and friars would have haste and +melee toa speed
and they couldn't be sheared...... this has so many bonuses
for a start your enh cleric could focus more on shearing and etc and worry less about rebuffing the main dmg dealers

I really think my group would work post frontiers
I prolly come back if bf will try it
just need to find a friar
it would maybe make up for having 1 rejuv cleric if 3 friars can rez/heal/have healing type arti and ML...

another option if CC is really screwed is to drop the sorc and go w/two theur but I like sorc..

 

[vintervargen]

i wanna fight that friar group, would be great fun

 

[Kagato]

here is my group, laugh away!
cleric-rej
cleric-enh
mincer
sorc
theurg
friar
friar
friar
!
!
!

Interesting but i'd be tempted to swap one of the friars for a reaver, to add a little damage variety and flexability (no pun intended).

By the way which game is that screen shot in your sig from ? Lineage2, DE ?

 

[Asha]

reavers need a pala
imo
buffed friars vs unbuffed classed would be good I think...
sshot is from L2, vaction til frontiers at least

 

[Kagato]

reavers need a pala
imo
buffed friars vs unbuffed classed would be good I think...
sshot is from L2, vaction til frontiers at least

I looked at L2 awhile back, game looked very sexy but was not alot of detail on gameplay/mechanics at the time, wasn't sure with it being korean, is it as good as it looks?

Judging by the screenshot though your tailor appears to of forgotten to put any form of zip or buttons on your top. Not that im complaining.

 

[Asha]

haha the orc is tame compaired with dark elfs
so far so good but it's all new which is nice in itself
there is supposed to be a big patch next month with more features
pet dragons you can ride etc, but I doubt I am at that lvl in a month

 

[Kagato]

Yeah I rather liked the look of the dark elves when I was first eyeing the game up

Was thinking of trying dragonempires personally though when its out.

 

[Kashmir]

Reaver's will be more wanted when we get det.
I still get alot off invites at apk when peeps need a guard or damage dealer (Levi 4tehwin) and if you get a legendary weapon with cold debuff proc, auch, levi will hurt alot more than it already does

But my setup would be:

2 Clerics
Paladin
Reaver
Mercenary
Minstrel
Sorceror
and last spot a Wizard or Theurgist

 

[Clipse]

Ghetto rezz is pretty useless - if a paladin needs to rezz then the battle is almost certainly lost

Not tru.....I harras GRego to Res me the Sec I die. MCL2 or Tartaros mcl, then buff. then I start Snaring, or aoe-ing enemy box. IF you r lucky, you might get Mezzed, then u have an excuse to Purge the RS

 

[Belomar]

Also use a charge on your Krojer's Dexterity Ring, nice to keep around for those times.

 

[Clipse]

yer i got a few Rog in my Pockets, with Heal N Mana Regen charges

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

3 words......mezz, pbt and sheilds

3 other words.... Purge3 / Det3 / Whirling-staff means Friars will pretty much be hard to beat in an all friar grp! muhah

afaik u cant AOE slam so sheilds aint gonna help you much with 2-3 friars smacking on you from all sides, and even if you do land a slam..purge/whirling staff = you dead when assisted..

 

[Skilgannon]

3 other words.... Purge3 / Det3 / Whirling-staff means Friars will pretty much be hard to beat in an all friar grp! muhah

afaik u cant AOE slam so sheilds aint gonna help you much with 2-3 friars smacking on you from all sides, and even if you do land a slam..purge/whirling staff = you dead when assisted..

There are soooo many new tactics.

One way to wipe the friar group is to pop TWF3 on top of em. How many Friars can outlast 2.5k dmg whilst being interrupted so no heals?

For all these new tactics there are new counter-tactics. Should be fun.

 

[Brommix]

I think the tinyheal group is pretty usefull, except for the solo ice wiz, unless he is very high RR i wouldnt take him, I would put in a theurg instead for sure.
sorc mind
sorc body
theurg ice earth
mincer
reaver
merc
cleric
cleric

these groups needs to play very well though as if they get at the wrong end of an assist train it could go bad very fast, not only do the bodyguarder be alert also casters must be ready to try and stay out of range.
I would think Ice wizz groups does still work but i really would preffer to have 2 of them in the group.

 

[Killswitch]

Maybe kinda boring, and I'm too lazy to think about Specs and MLs. I reckon you might do okay with;

1xRej Cleric
2xFriar
1xMincer
1xSorc
1xPally
2xMerc


I reckon with a decent spread of RAs, this group could hold its own against most Melee groups. Still encounters the same problems with AOE Insta-Stun/Insta-Mezz and PBAOE, but I reckon that's the Albs future for the time being. At least with 2 Det tanks and mezz-duration chant there might be a chance. Also, with 3 healers and 3.5 rezzers (ghetto rezz only gets 0.5 ) group should have good longevity and quick recovery.

Also, having a backup CC member, even if it is only single target, could be a life-saver in those close fights. Finally, add in BoF, SoS, FH and either Magestic Will or MoC for the Sorc and you could be onto a winner.

Or I could be talking crap, I'll leave that decision as an exercise for the reader.

 

[Asha]

1 cleric :x

 

[kirennia]

3 other words.... Purge3 / Det3 / Whirling-staff means Friars will pretty much be hard to beat in an all friar grp! muhah

afaik u cant AOE slam so sheilds aint gonna help you much with 2-3 friars smacking on you from all sides, and even if you do land a slam..purge/whirling staff = you dead when assisted..

I'm not saying a friar or 2 in a group is a bad idea, I'm saying that 6 friars IS a bad idea.

Firstly the sheild issue. You have 3 single hitters hitting your sheild whereas a dual wielder effectively halves the targets block capability.

Determination 3. Okay so that 60 second mezz which is easily landing on you because you had no sorc in your setup, will instead last for 54 seconds.

Purge 3 okay is good but what happens when you all 6 friars use purge 3 then are ae rooted over the top and picked off 1 by 1.

Whirling staff, well, we'll have to see about that as it is described as having moderate damage but I'm sure 6 friars in a box could do some damage

My point is, a sorc is NEEDED and 2 clerics is ESSENTIAL because 1 cleric is gonna struggle keeping an assist trained target alive whilst it's being interupted by enemy support, even if there were 6 friars healing for 150 each as well whilst not interupted. Perhaps 1 sorc, 1 mincer, 2 clerics 4 friars if you really want a decent friar group but then boy o boy does the mincer need to be good and uninterupted otherwise you're screwed with the same mezz problems.

I'd probably suggest if you want a good tank group

Cleric
Cleric
Sorc
Mincer
Pally
Reaver
Merc
Friar

Which is what I've got a sneaking suspision mythic is aiming for...to make every tank class as good as each other although they are miserably failing in midgard. But even with this setup, only 2 clerics leaves the buff shearing problem open. Basically I think alb groups should be running 2 cleric 2 cabby, 4 sorc groups or maybe swap one sorc for a buff shearing cleric. One of the best groups I've been in has had a setup like this and it would wipe the floor with most with purge 3 and range attacks when rooted.

 

[Killswitch]

Asha Wrote:

1 cleric :x

That's the thing, isn't it? I don't think that Clerics offer anywhere near the utility of the Mid/Hib healing classes. I assumed (but didn't write due to the near-certainty of being flamed to a crisp) that the group would have 1-2 BBs to provide specced buffs to the group prior to heading out.

I think this might be a class/realm balance issue. Maybe if the friars were higher-than-average Rejuve spec, they could make up the gap left by the Cleric (and provide some damage-dealing when required). Would almost certainly gimp the friar for solo/PvE though. Guess what Alb needs is a healer/caster hybrid with more group utility. A Mid group could easily run with a Pac/Healer, an Aug/Healer and a Mend/Healer, because of the extra stuff they provide (speed, Insta-Mezz, Instal-Stun, dam-add and haste).

Same kinda goes for Hib, with Bards/Druids offering plenty of extra goodies besides the heals. I'm just not sure that a Alb RvR FG can afford to run 2 clerics because of what you lose compared to other realms running 2 healing classes. If you could get a friar specced 34+ in Rejuve, they'd be an adequate backup healer and offer plenty in terms of buffs and damage output.

 

[Asha]

buff shears are going to kill you kir if you don't have them too
buffed vs unbuffed anything = ouch
and you're giving up theur
damn alb has too many classes

 

[Fixx]

Fotm alb ...

minstrel, cleric x 2, mindsorc, bodysorc x 2, Spiritcabie, Theurgist. Possibly change the Theurgist for either a smit/rejuv cleric og a 2nd spiritcabie to get 2 attacklines to work with.

Bg tank.. waste of space imo.

Fixx

 

[Dawn]

Ghettorezz, Endchant, afchant, healchant, instainterrupt > det5

maybe not pretoa, but definatley after.

s/s merc > all
bg one guard other dirty tricks third
healchant 36 hp/round you can do without - end you dont need you aint going anywhere - afchant doesnt stack with af spec - insta interrupt well merc got flurry too - ghettorezz ftl eitherway

and det 5 is eitherway>all those you said,imo

 

[Belomar]

Except mercs don't get MoB.